Vermont Senate Passes National Popular Vote Bill

On February 27, the Vermont Senate passed S34 by a vote of 15-10. This is the National Popular Vote Plan bill. The bill has now passed in three legislative chambers this year, one chamber each in Vermont, Arkansas, and New Mexico. However it has not passed entirely through both houses of the legislature in any state so far this year.


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  1. We can only hope that this trend of having at least one chamber in each legislature, or a wise governor to veto, this evil idea in enough states to finally kill it. Already, one state has begun the process of repeal of this idiotic concept.

    NPV is an attempt by the F a s c i s t – S o c i a l i s t s and especially the Democratic Party to make America into a government controlled banana republic.

    They have no concern about LIBERTY. They just want to take total control.

    Under the new NPV plan it is possible for a candidate to be elected with a tiny fraction of the national vote. There is, in fact, no fraction too low to be elected. 40%, 30%, 20%, 10% … whoever gets the most votes wins.

    This is perfectly fine for representative districts where there are numerous other such districts for balance and when the National Executive is elected in a system requiring some kind of majority.

    But with the NPV, all such rationality is lost. The US becomes a lawless banana republic.

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    IN FACT:

    Under NPV, a candidate who has actually earned ZERO electoral votes could be elected President, after the NPV computation determines that all the Electoral Votes earned by some other candidate should be flipped to the NPV candidate.

    A candidate who has carried the overwhelming majority of states and Electoral Votes could have enough states Electoral Votes flipped to the NPV to give the Presidency to someone who won NO states and just carried the biggest cities.

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    NPV is a disaster waiting to end LIBERTY in America:

    . it means the final end of the federal system
    . it terminates the federal compact that binds the states together
    . it makes the US a banana republic
    . as the States break up, it could lead to civil war
    . it ensures massive electoral corruption and fraud will occur in places untouched until today
    . it is being pursued by political hacks attempting to gain some electoral advantage and evil F a s c i s t – S o c i a l i s t s lusting for power.

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    Under the current Electoral College system, it is virtually impossible for anyone to be elected without having a super plurality of support. To garner the required MAJORITY of Electoral Votes means that a candidate must have demonstrated national support and support in states containing a majority of the electoral votes.

    Even better would be the adoption of the Maine/Nebraska system nationwide.

  2. We need to wake up and crush the NPV takeover.

    Instead we need to adopt the Maine/Nebraska system:

    Under the Maine/Nebraska system, not only are two electoral votes awarded for winning each state, but one vote is awarded within each Congressional District.

    This greatly expands the number of competitive areas in the Naional Election.

    IN ADDITION to focusing on every competitive statewide election, candidates will have to focus on competitive Congressional Districts.

    So, in addition to the normal 1/3 of the States, more than 1/3 of the Congressional Districts will be in play.

    (This fact is not discernable from the mere observation of past races, since in past races this system was not in use. To determine this we must use a prospective, pro-forma type comparison.)

    Thus, under the Maine/Nebraska system more than half of all US areas will be in play. Even better results will come from expanding the size of the House of Representatives and the number of Electoral Districts.

    At the same time, switching to the Maine/Nebraska electoral college system makes the perfect electoral system:

    1) Every voter is treated equally in selecting one vote per congressional district, which represent approximately the same number of voters.

    2) Every State is treated equally in selecting two votes per state. This preserves the federal compact and helps prevent civil war.

    3) The advantages of electoral fraud are reduced the the lowest possible level, and therfore we will have the least corrupted electoral system.

    4) The Maine/Nebraska Electoral College system guarantees that the candidates elected will have demonstrated the greatest possible support nationwide, representing the greates number of voters, districts and states.

    5) By ensuring that the candidates elected have the greatest possible nationwide support, the Maine/Nebraska Electoral College system ensures stability, peaceful transitions, national harmony and internal peace. It prevents the US from becoming a banana republic due to its electoral system.

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    for the PEACE, PROSPERITY and LIBERTY of America,
    we must preserve the Electoral College system and:

    ADOPT

    …. the Maine/Nebraska Electoral College system of chosing the President and Vice President of the United States. We must expand the House of Representatives to 600, 800, even 1,200 members.

    and we must

    REJECT

    …. the dangerous and evil NPV plan before it leads to fraud, corruption, and the fractionalization of America. Eventually under the NPV system we would see the election of a candidate who represents fewer than 25% of the actual votes cast, and who has won ZERO or close to zero electoral votes prior to the NPV calculation. Which would result in violence, chaos, riots and civil war.

  3. Dividing a state’s electoral votes by congressional district would magnify the worst features of our antiquated Electoral College system of electing the President. What the country needs is a national popular vote to make every person’s vote equally important to presidential campaigns.

    If the district approach were used nationally, it would less be less fair and accurately reflect the will of the people than the current system. In 2004, Bush won 50.7% of the popular vote, but 59% of the districts. Although Bush lost the national popular vote in 2000, he won 55% of the country’s congressional districts.

    The district approach would not cause presidential candidates to campaign in a particular state or focus the candidates’ attention to issues of concern to the state. Under the winner-take-all rule (whether applied to either districts or states), candidates have no reason to campaign in districts or states where they are comfortably ahead or hopelessly behind. In North Carolina, for example, there are only 2 districts the 13th with a 5% spread and the 2nd with an 8% spread) where the presidential race is competitive. In California, the presidential race is competitive in only 3 of the state’s 53 districts. Nationwide, there are only 55 “battleground” districts that are competitive in presidential elections. Under the present deplorable state-level winner-take-all system, two-thirds of the states (including North Carolina and California and Texas) are ignored in presidential elections; however, seven-eighths of the nation’s congressional districts would be ignored if a district-level winner-take-all system were used nationally.

  4. So, since Susan can’t see the truth:

    Under the Maine/Nebraska system it would be BOTH the already competitive states PLUS the competitive congressional districts that would immediately draw attention.

    And of course, IT IS MUCH EASIER to make congressional districts competitve …

    So …

    the number of competitive states plus CDs, PLUS the easily moved CDs would all be in play…

    This means over half of the US would be in play in an election for Pres and VP

    AND

    We keep the advantages of the current system, only enhanced by the Maine/Nebraska improvements:

    . protecting the federal system and every state’s power to resist the evil Federal monster
    . guarantee that the winner has majority support in a majority of the states and CDs as measured by Electoral Votes
    . a system that reduces the value of fraud and its incidence to its LOWEST possible levels

    NPV will result in massive fraud, and election of splinter candidates who have actually carried few or even ZERO electoral votes.

    SUPPORT the MAINE/NEBRASKA Electoral College system:

    The nearly perfect system for choosing the President and Vice President of any major nation.

  5. The real point is being missed. The Founders never intended the president to be elected by the people. The president is supposed to be elected by the states. The House of Representatives is supposed to be elected by the people. Even the members of the U.S. Senate were originally to be elected by state legislatures not the people directly. It’s called a constitutional republic not a democracy. It works… why mess around with it?

  6. Susan is 100% correct. The “Nebraska/Maine system” would be even worse than the current method of allocating Electoral College votes, because it would make elections even less competitive and partisan gerrymandering would play an even greater role. Nationwide popular vote is the only real solution.

  7. The only real solution to are election system is the Maine/Nebraska solution. This system has precedent in our system and provides the balance that NPV supporters want without compromising the checks and balances inheritly put into the system by the Founding Fathers. NPV will run without checks or balances and is a subversive attempt to overthrow our election system. NPV is unconstitutional and attempts to bypass the Constitution without a Constitutional amendment. States that do not support NPV could sue the other states for colusion and WILL win in the courts. If proponents of NPV really think the country should go this route, let them offer it as Constitutional amendment and get the approval of 3/4 of the states as recognized by the Constitution. Subverting the Constitution is unpatriotic and NPV supporters should recognize this.

  8. #7 Actually more commonplace was the use of electoral districts. So Nebraska, for example, would have 5 electoral districts, California 56, Wyoming 3.

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