Florida Initiative for a Top-Two System for State and Local Office Has Enough Valid Signatures

The Florida initiative for a top-two primary (for state and local partisan office) has enough valid signatures and will appear on the November 2020 ballot. There is a slight chance that the Florida Supreme Court will remove it, but that is not likely. A decision could come out at any time.

See this story. Initiatives in Florida cannot pass unless they receive 60% of the vote.


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Florida Initiative for a Top-Two System for State and Local Office Has Enough Valid Signatures — 12 Comments

  1. top 2 disease gets much worse.

    60 % = more subversion of Democracy = 50% +1
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    PR and AppV and TOTSOP

  2. EB— NOW – about 95 pct of gerrymander districts are ONE party safe.

    Ghetto areas — msny gds 85 plus pct RED Donkey.

    — *some* choice with top 2 primaries — IE D1 cult / D2 cult in general elections.

    BUT- WRONG solution — due to math MORONS in various *reform* groups.
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    PR and Appv and TOTSOP

  3. Jim Riley, how do you feel about churches that are “segregated” on the basis of the beliefs of the members?

  4. @RW,

    I don’t believe the state should regulate such matters, nor keep records of the beliefs of its citizens.

    Freedom of religion does not mean you can only attend one service per week.

  5. Richard and Jim are both right. State support for party primaries is antithetical to inclusive democracy. It should be abolished. In a more perfect world, there would be no party labels on the voting machines/ballots, and there would only be one election decided by some form of RCV. But that’s not going to happen for decades, if ever, so some completely fair way of allowing party labels on ballots needs to be implemented such that a group of voters can caucus or do whatever and then have their party label affixed to their nominees, of course subject to the veto of the nominee who may not want a particular party label. And the question of multiple labels on ballots (“fusion”) also needs to be settled.

  6. If this is one of the first three amendments voters will see, it’ll probably fail. However, if it is beyond the fourth, it’ll probably pass (fourth is probably a coinflip). Once voters have to decide on too many amendments, they just end up voting yes on all of them. In Florida’s last general election, there were twelve amendments (correct me if I’m wrong), and all passed except the second one, even with the 60% threshold. When voters get information overload like that, they either don’t vote for all amendments, or say “yes” for all of them. In my opinion, some of the 2016 ballot amendment summaries were deceptively worded to paint the amendment in a positive light, and didn’t even encapsulate everything that amendment did. I much prefer the states that have amendments read “Should the state constitution be amended in section XX to read…?” If you can’t list the full text of the amendment on the ballot, why is it being put to the voters as a single law?

    If this passes it just proves Florida doesn’t have a functioning democracy; in 2024 you could propose an amendment to make every ex-felon go back and serve an additional 10 years, and if it was late enough in the ballot order voters wouldn’t care, they’d pass it.

  7. 4 USA Reps were elected in FL in 2018 with NOOOO/ZERO votes on the USA election day —

    direct subversion of 1-2 and 14-2.

    IE the ROT in STONE AGE FL regime continues.

    Failure to FED indict, convict, bankrupt and jail ALL top HACKS in regime — legis, exec, judic.

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