The chart at the top of this blog has updated vote totals on November 25, (compared to November 23) for Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, and Cynthia McKinney. The changes are caused more votes having been counted in California; and North Carolina’s release of write-in totals. Chuck Baldwin did not have write-in status in North Carolina, so the November 25 total for him did not rise. The North Carolina write-ins are 1,510 for Nader, 158 for McKinney, and 24 for Brian Moore.
There are still many more votes to count across the nation. For example, Franklin County, Ohio, alone, has 27,000 uncounted provisional ballots. They cannot be counted until the court dispute has been settled.
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/
why does this web site show Baldwin with over 191,000 votes? and here at ballot access much less?
BTW, here is an article I just wrote on the VENEZUELAN ELECTIONS that just took place this past Sunday:
http://www.nolanchart.com/article5536.html
NC claimed several thousand write-ins for Baldwin, which didn’t qualify for NC Ballot as a write-in. See: Chuckbaldwinforum.com web site.
The number of write-in in CT has risen from 289 to 302 for Baldwin. McKinney’s total may have risen also. I do not remember her total previously.
What source are you using for the data?
Dave Leip
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/
has higher numbers for Baldwin, but lower numbers for Nader and Barr.
Clearly neither has the same numbers as CNN.
I’m using state election office web pages. A few states don’t have any results posted, so for them I use press reports. I realize David Leip has a higher total for Baldwin. I phoned him but the last phone number I had for him is no longer any good. I e-mailed him but he didn’t respond. Maybe he is getting write-in info from various counties in California for Baldwin. San Francisco County says it will have its write-ins on November 26, and probably many other counties already have it.
Montana write-ins
Chuck Baldwin – 143
RaeDeen Heupel – 12
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Cynthia McKinney – 18
Rosa Clemente – 10
Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente – 5
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Santa Claus – 3
Jonathan Allen – 1
Amy Lou Wyatt – 1
McKinney/Clemente filed as an official write-in with both names, but the state divided the results here.
Do these numbers include the 200 or so votes Bob Barr received in Guam?
Looks like Barr will end up with around 525,000. That’s a pretty good number. Not the over 1 million that we all hoped for, but quite respectable.
It would have royally sucked if he had gotten the 490,000 and not broken the all-important half a million number, as had been originally reported the day after the election.
525,000… Not too bad, not bad at all.
the table was messed up. I’m pretty sure Nader got 6 write-ins with 52 scattered in Cherokee.
Which raises Nader’s total to 1454 and drops Rucker’s total to 12.
Write-ins for Virginia reported today. 13 votes for Brian Moore, there were no other official write-in status candidates.
My own Nader count, including North Carolina and using AP data and write-ins is 702,068 so I must have missed something. I’ll send you my updated version of “Nader country” and if you see my mistake, please let me know.A few more alaska votes should show up wednesday.
Where is Ralph Nader Country in 2008?
By Steve Conn
Where is “Ralph Nader country?†We know that “Marlboro Country†is a lung cancer ward and “Countrywide†is a landscape of empty and boarded up homes as far as the eye can see, but where is Nader Country.? If I were presumptuous, I would say, behind every seatbelt. In 2008, after his third, serious, Presidential campaign, Nader Country is both where people voted for The Man and His Program and in the hearts and minds of his campaign staff, the alumni of 2008. Both deserve attention.
In 2008 Ralph Nader ran an independent 45 state Presidential campaign and earned 695,817 votes (and counting) on 45 state ballots and the District of Columbia. Not included in this total are semi-disenfranchised write-in Nader voters in Texas (3,053), Georgia (1,091), Indiana (300), and North Carolina, where 88% of 13,942 total write-ins were rejected by local precincts, Nader received 1510 acknowledged write-in votes. American democracy’s ultimate, electoral black hole, Oklahoma, does not allow write-ins.
With his typical Lou Gherig approach to civic engagement, Ralph Nader moved relentlessly through the fifty states, dragging along a new legion of twenty-something’s, who could barely keep up with his seven decades’ sprint, full of righteous indignation and a commitment to win votes for a progressive program ignored by the major party candidates. Boot camp for another generation of citizen activists was nearly over when I flew down to the 2008 Georgetown headquarters to check out his new crew, take their political temperatures and feel their pain. Sure enough, they had the look of combat veterans. I could only imagine what they had expected when invited on to the team and how bright and shiny they were then. The grind of a Presidential campaign, weathering the attacks from armchair liberals who expect to be spoon fed progress without effort and Nader’s lead by example style had all done their jobs. Where else could these young adults experience this test of fire and a consistent demand that they use their own talents and initiative to make up for scant resources, while enduring consistent abuse by major party sycophants? The graduating classes of the 2000 and 2004 Presidential campaigns were already out there somewhere raising hell on other issues and other campaigns. Each campaign leaves this enduring residual legacy of new people who finally understand what Nader means when he challenges his audiences to act on their rights and duties as Public Citizens.
The staff was battle-hardened from an experience rare for their time and circumstance in America. No fire hoses in Birmingham had quickened their maturation Each drew on talents and strengths which while newly discovered by them, had been anticipated by Nader when he brought them on. Any organization could use Ralph Nader to vet its new hires. So could President-elect Obama.
The 2008 Ralph Nader campaign showed its verve in production of its video, photo art and web postings, all the work of the class of 2008. Funny and serious stuff. Now the graduates were ready to try their newly discovered strengths and talents to other places and take on other issues- once they got some rest. Nader, of course, was ready to plunge back into his normal grind. Plans were discussed among alumni to work within home Congressional districts.
People who think they matter are angry at Nader now as others were at Martin Luther King when he broadened his agenda to matters of the war and the inequities of economic class. The attacks on Nader are always personal. He has a personality defect that makes him speaking out instead of going with the flow, his critics content. Critics never complain explicitly that he is raising issues excised from the campaign debate of that moment by corporate funders and party operatives, pre-screened, you might say. That he is off script. That would be too honest. Progressives from the old days who broke with the 2000 and 2004 campaigns have only admitted privately in later years that their patrons demanded these public breaks with Ralph Nader and they meekly complied, throwing Nader under the bus as Obama did his pastor. Again, they never say that Nader campaign is bringing up issues not to be talked about except in smaller, liberal circles in nostalgic moments. While Nader demands, like clockwork, a repeal of the Taft -Hartley Act of 1947 in every Presidential run, union membership is in single digits and union demands for card checks as an organizing tool are all that’s left in labor’s collective memory of an organized labor movement before Taft-Hartley. But some of the graduates from the 2000 campaign are ensconced in the labor movement and have memories longer than their ages. So their time will come to press for more. Others from the 2000 and 2004 campaigns worked for Obama and the Greens or now focus on issue advocacy. They work on single payer health care or variants of the Equal Rights Amendment, the sleeping giant. Alumni are everywhere with their Nader campaign experience not always listed on their resumes, but imprinted indelibly on their psyches.
One of Ralph Nader’s strengths is his ability to spot talent and potential in unusual places. He found campaign staff all over the country. The days when he recruited from Ivy League Schools are over. Since his staff came from everywhere and his travels were
Ubiquitous, it is no surprise that his votes were clustered in places of similar diversity. So where –geographically- was Nader country in 2008?
Nader won more votes than any other third party or independent in his 45 states, except in Montana where Ron Paul beat him. In aggregate numbers available to date, he got something over 700,000 votes in all or more than the population of Alaska. In the 45 states, where his name and that of Matt Gonzalez appeared on the ballot, he averaged about .63 percent of the votes cast. But he took at least one percent of the votes cast in Maine (1.5), North Dakota (1.3), Arkansas (1.2), Alaska (1.16), South Dakota (1.1), Connecticut (1.1), Idaho (1.1), and one percent each in Wyoming, Minnesota, Vermont, Oregon, West Virginia, and Rhode Island, according the Associated Press.
Clusters of counties in Arkansas, South and North Dakota, Maine and West Virginia registered Ralph Nader vote totals of 2 percent or more. In Arkansas: Lawrence (3.3), Jackson (2.9), Newton (2.7), Poinsett and Woodruff (2.6), Clay (2.5), Montgomery (2.3), Van Buren and Sharp (2.20), Cleveland, Logan, and Sevier (2.1)) and Stone, Pike, and Greene (2). In South Dakota: Perkins (2.3), Sanborn (2.2) and Turner (2.) In North Dakota, Towner (2.8), Cavalier (2.6), Logan (2.5), Bowman and Kidder (2.3), Emmons, Divide and Renville (2.2) and Griggs, Grant and Mercer (2).In Maine: Oxford and Franklin (2).In West Virginia, Gilmer County (2.1).
A bevy of counties from all over the country, among them Wahkiakkum, Yell, Scott, Randolph, Swift, Bon Homme, Oliver, Walsh, Foster and McIntosh counties, all finished with 1.9 percent for Nader. People in these counties know where you are. In 2012, if they get one or two more voters to go Nader’s way, they’ll hit two percent. Note: Alaska has no counties to divide up its 3460 votes (and still counting).
Nader Country and, at least, 702,068 recorded Nader voters (as of this writing) have spoken. The 2008 alumni will be heard from, you can be sure. Update: Richard Winger of
Ballot Access News puts Nader’s totals at 724,947, including North Carolina.
Anyone who chooses to can sort through the 671 page PDF file at the Alabama SOS site containing write-ins for just about every office.
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It is not officially listed, but Chuck Baldwin received 177 votes in Maine, Bob Barr received 251, and Jonathan Allen (Heartquake ’08) received 3.
This doesn’t make a lot of sense. In 2004 SP presidential candidate Walt Brown received 348 write-in votes in North Carolina. In 2000 SP presidential candidate David McReynolds received 1,226 write-in votes in North Carolina. Therefore, I can’t imagine how 2008 SP presidential candidate Brian Moore could have received only 24 write-in votes in North Carolina.
I’m also curious how these totals for NC are being found, since the Clarity Elections site, which the NC SBE and all NC counties are using to report results, has been down for days.
“I’m using state election office web pages”
Richard,
Just letting you know that I spoke with the WV Sec of State’s election office last week and they told me that they would not have the write-in vote totals available until mid-December because counties are allowed 30 days to canvass (check) vote totals.
This doesn’t affect our presidential totals too much since Baldwin, Nader, and McKinney were on the ballot and Barr never filed as a write-in. But, Chuck Baldwin’s numbers are now up by 4 to 2454. I would suspect that other states won’t have official results until then either. Latest WV info at:
http://www.wvvotes.com/election-results/results-statewide.php?type=F
“Nader won more votes than any other third party or independent in his 45 states, except in Montana where Ron Paul beat him.” – Steve Conn
In Louisiana both Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney beat Ralph Nader. In South Carolina both Barr and Baldwin beat him. In Utah Baldwin beat him. In Arizona Barr narrowly beat him. And, in Nevada “none of these” narrowly beat Nader and clearly bested Barr, Baldwin, and McKinney.
Still a good showing for Nader, considering the electoral climate. I would not hold SC or UT against him, but the rank relative to “NOT” in NV is a shame for all of this years contenders.