For several months, a newly-organized Christian Party has been attempting to qualify for the Louisiana ballot. It needs 1,000 registered members, and says it now has 300 registered members. It is running Anthony Marquize for U.S. House, 2nd district. This is the district centered on New Orleans. Marquize cannot have the party name on the ballot next to his name because the party is not yet ballot-qualified. Marquize is one of three independent candidates who have qualified in that race. See this story. Thanks to Randall Hayes for the link.
The last time a party with the name “Christian Party” appeared on a statewide ballot was in Washington state in 1936.
As Richard is aware, there is also a ballot-positioned Christian Party in Florida registered with and recognized by the Secretary of State there. I believe the Florida party has a little over 1,000 registered members. I do not know (perhaps Richard does) if there are any links between the Christian Party in Florida and this one in Louisiana.
The name “Christian” has a certain amount of magnetic pull with many voters. I consider my political views “Christian” as compared to “liberal” or “consevative.” However, I am not sure if using the word “Christian” as, or part of, a political party name is productive or counter-productive.
This is why I prefer the name “Independent” as a political party name for Christians. Christians can promote (without advocating a theocracy) their social, economic, and political philosophy in a “Independent Party.”
The Christian Party in Florida has never appeared on the statewide ballot because it has never run a candidate for statewide office. It has 1,137 registered members as of May 2010.
Unless they have formed some association in the last few weeks, there is no link between the Christian Party in Louisiana and the Christian Party in Florida.
I can so see Michael Peroutka, John Lofton, and the other theocratic bigots that left the CP join with this Party.
Will Baldwin also join this new party?
I doubt that Chuck Baldwin would be attracted to the Christian Party. Baldwin is more libertarian than the Christian Party seems likely to be.
The effort to gain recognized status for the Christian Party in Louisiana is being lead by Vincent Bruno. Bruno is an elected member of the Republican Party Executive Committee of Jefferson Parish, which is the most populous parish in Lousiana and one of the most Republican parishes in Louisiana. He is also a former member of the Republican State Central Committee of Louisiana. Bruno is credited with first publicizing David Vitter’s prostitute connection in 2002, a few years before the “D.C. Madam” story broke.
Praise the LORD! This is exciting news! May the good Lord bless these noble efforts in Louisiana and Florida. Thanks to Mr. Winger for bringing this development to our attention.
To Cody Quirk. One can be “Christian” in their political, social, and economic viewpoints without having to be, as you quote, “theocratic bigots.”
Oh, by the way, when Jesus returns to set up His 1000 year reign on earth, we will live under a theocracy whether you like it or not or whether you believe it or not.
Alabama Independent-
You stupid moron, you obviously don’t know jack about the infighting that was taking place in the CP from 1999 to 2006. The bigots I was speaking of tried turning the CP into a theocratic vehicle for their agenda and also tried installing ‘religious tests’ in the CP, and also tried to kick out Mormons and others that didn’t fit with their beliefs. I fought such people tooth and nail, and I could indeed see the same kind attracted to this new Party, Angela’s above comment verifies that.
The only legit theocracy on the earth is the one to be established by Him and not by any man who claims he speaks to God and he alone should be our ruler, especially if such wannabe theocratic rulers are of the likes of Mr. Lofton or Mr. Peroutka.
So how about you drop the pharisee act and do your homework next time!
To Cody Quirk. I didn’t know we had to resort to “un-Christlike” name calling to discuss a matter we both might have legitimate differances of opinion. But obviously you think you do. So who is the pharisee here?
You were so quick to respond to my comments, you didn’t take the time to digest what I had written. So again, I repeat, one can be “Christian” in their political, social, and economic viewpoints without having to be, as you quote, “theocratic bigots.” What part of this don’t you understand? Okay, maybe I don’t know completely what happened in the CP with Lofton and Peroutka. But they do not speak for all Christians. Still, you appear to attempt to link all Christians with them. How wrong you are. My point still stands. It means what it reads, not what you want to interpret it to read.
Yes, “the only legit theocracy on the earth is the one to be established by Him and not by any man…” That HIM is Jesus Christ! So why are you challenging me here? We obviously agree.
Perhaps I need to do more “homework,” but you need to stop putting labels on me you have no proof of or right to.
Still, you appear to attempt to link all Christians with them.
= That’s that problem, if I was linking ALL Christians to them, then I would explicitly say so, but I’m not! I’m talking about all the ex-CP’ers that were part of Perouka’s political gang. There are plenty of bad memories from that fight.
When these people left the Constitution Party, they first tried with the American Heritage Party, and then Angela’s flock started the ‘Christian Liberty Party’, so I was saying that the same people would naturally try flocking to this group too.
BTW, I’m a Christian too, and one that’s pissed off at your rush to judgement.
What about the NO government support for ANY *religion* in the 1st Amendment ???
Soon to have the following *parties* in all parts of the U.S.A. — Christian, Anti-Christian, Protestant, Anti-Protestant, Jewish, Anti-Jewish, Muslim, Anti-Muslim, etc. etc.
How many folks on this list are apparently brain dead ignorant about how civil WARS happen ???
Clue – think party hack control freak extremism — impose tea tax 1773, impose slavery in U.S.A. territories 1854, etc.
For clarification purposes only: I have no flock as I do not believe in women usurping leadership over men and my function at CLP is simply as an editor of the website. But yes, it would be wonderful to network with the group in Louisiana. Thank you.
I try to be a Christian and follow the principles of society established by God in the bible. This is different than a theocracy. Romans 13 indicates God sets up a society, and it is to use His instruction book as His “ministers”. I think the principle that society should be against murder is why we have MCL 750.316 (premeditated murder) in Michigan. It is based on the ‘right to life’ in the Constitution.
My experience in running for office proves people who call themselves Christian will not vote for a person who advocates following the biblical principles. I ran for sheriff and my lowest percentage was in the precincts where three churches had 4000 members. My primary plank was sanctity of life. I suggest a different name.
I accept capital punishment is equality of justice just like God in Ex 21:25. The bi-partisan Party of R & D’s oppose it because they know they lose votes. The excuse is it doesn’t stop the sin of murder. Well the law against DUI hasn’t stopped DUI so why not eliminate it? I agree with that God every new human being is a new sinner who sins because that is his nature. Some more and some less, so His laws or man’s laws won’t make any difference to the evil person.
I am a Quality Assurance professional. I am not a bigot when I follow the blueprint as a standard set up by a higher up in the chain of authority. I try to be a faithful (Ex 20:14) underling.
Cody Quirk, I was at the meetings and I am well aware of the fight. It was between Christians who tried to follow the principles of the Bible and the lawyers who pushed the issue of bigotry, which obviously wasn’t the problem. I am still angry with Clymer who didn’t keep the issue on the science and data of ignoring of the murder of a human being. My college degree is in the life sciences and I eked out a 99% on the college record exams so I think I am reasonably aware.
To Angela Wittman and Carl G. Oehling, thank you for defending me in my premise one can hold Christian views reqarding political, social, and economic issues without being a “theocratic bigot.” It is refreshing to know others understand one can be political, social, and economic, without having to be “conservative.”
To Cody Quirk, I apologize if I appeared to “rush to judgment” in questioning your comments. It is reassuring to know you are a Christian, but I hope you (and millions of other Christians) will realize we Christians need to stop fighting one another and instead oppose the mis-guided agents of Anti-Christ.
Cody Quirk, I was at the meetings and I am well aware of the fight. It was between Christians who tried to follow the principles of the Bible and the lawyers who pushed the issue of bigotry, which obviously wasn’t the problem. I am still angry with Clymer who didn’t keep the issue on the science and data of ignoring of the murder of a human being. My college degree is in the life sciences and I eked out a 99% on the college record exams so I think I am reasonably aware.
= I’m not stupid, the fight was only about the Abortion on the surface, yet reading the dialog in the TAV forums, and the vile and bigoted rants put out by Reed Heustis and Ben Powers’s departing letters from the CP; it was about religion and specifically the LDS faith.
While, the problem with the Pro-Life & No Exceptions argument was that people like Chris Hansen, and others in the CP that favored exceptions still were in compliance with the Pro Life plank, since it also says-
“…No government may legalize the taking of the unalienable right to life without justification, including the life of the pre-born…”
And delving into the history of abortion in the USA, originally in the early colonial times, the unborn were only protected once ‘quickening’, or being able to move about in the womb, began. This was based off of William Blackstone’s legal commentary on feticide and abortion.
In fact James Wilson, a framer of the US Constitution, once said-
“…In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger.”
Abortion didn’t widely become illegal until 1900, and the first state abortion laws didn’t made it on the books until the 1820s, but such laws didn’t outlaw the practice itself per see, and such laws only protected the child after quickening. And such laws weren’t passed for religious reasons.
Right before Roe V. Wade happened however, there were already 4 states that had legalized abortion on demand and 16 other states that legalized it for exceptions-only.
And when we’re including the Christian religion on the matter of abortion, there were varying opinions of it back in the 4th to 16 Century AD, especially in the Catholic Church.
And before 1980, the Southern Baptists and many of the Pentecostal churches publicly supported exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother’s life in abortion. Today the SBC supports exceptions only for the mother’s life.
And yes, the LDS Church does support exceptions to abortion, but only after a woman consults with her Bishop, and personal prayer and inquiry to the Lord. However, the Church generally discourages abortion in those cases as well.
I’m not stupid Carl, the fight was only about the Abortion on the surface, yet reading the dialog in the TAV forums, and the vile and bigoted rants put out by Reed Heustis and Ben Powers’s departing letters from the CP; it was about religion and specifically the LDS faith.
While, the problem with the Pro-Life & No Exceptions argument was that people like Chris Hansen, and others in the CP that favored exceptions still were in compliance with the Pro Life plank, since it also says-
“…No government may legalize the taking of the unalienable right to life without justification, including the life of the pre-born…”
And delving into the history of abortion in the USA, originally in the early colonial times, the unborn were only protected once ‘quickening’, or being able to move about in the womb, began. This was based off of William Blackstone’s legal commentary on feticide and abortion.
In fact James Wilson, a framer of the US Constitution, once said-
“…In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger.”
Abortion didn’t widely become illegal until 1900, and the first state abortion laws didn’t made it on the books until the 1820s, but such laws didn’t outlaw the practice itself per see, and such laws only protected the child after quickening. And such laws weren’t passed for religious reasons.
Right before Roe V. Wade happened however, there were already 4 states that had legalized abortion on demand and 16 other states that legalized it for exceptions-only.
And when we’re including the Christian religion on the matter of abortion, there were varying opinions of it back in the 4th to 16 Century AD, especially in the Catholic Church.
And before 1980, the Southern Baptists and many of the Pentecostal churches publicly supported exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother’s life in abortion. Today the SBC supports exceptions only for the mother’s life.
And yes, the LDS Church does support exceptions to abortion, but only after a woman consults with her Bishop, and personal prayer and inquiry to the Lord. However, the Church generally discourages abortion in those cases as well.
I try to be a Christian and follow the principles of society established by God in the bible. This is different than a theocracy.
= America may have been founded on Christian Principles, but it was not meant to be based explicitly on the Christian Religion, that’s why we have the 1st Amendment and why we prohibit Religious Tests in the Constitution.
Another thing, which Bible are we talking about? The KJV?
Because remember, there are dozens or different versions of the Bible out there, and many quote verses from the scripture differently then others, so that might be a matter of concern.
To Cody Quirk, I apologize if I appeared to “rush to judgment” in questioning your comments. It is reassuring to know you are a Christian, but I hope you (and millions of other Christians) will realize we Christians need to stop fighting one another and instead oppose the mis-guided agents of Anti-Christ.
= Ok, I agree with you here- evangelicals and others need to stop attacking the LDS Church and fight to restore our Constitutional Republic.
And I do apologize for jumping the gun, but its a touchy subject for me- even in my personal life, I fought with my parents over the matter of religion a lot.
For clarification purposes only: I have no flock as I do not believe in women usurping leadership over men and my function at CLP is simply as an editor of the website. But yes, it would be wonderful to network with the group in Louisiana. Thank you.
= That’s fine by me, in fact I think we might be in agreement here on convincing other members of the Constitution Party- like Richardo Davis, to switch over and join your group.
To Cody Quirk. Yes, I do include members of the LDS as Christians whom we should work together with, even if I personally disagree with them on some interpretations of Scripture – regardless of which version of the Bible. When Jesus returns, He will correct us all on our errors of interpretation.
All Christians MUST stick together. As a Baptist, I would rather join with an LDS church members and have faith in their devotion to this nation and what it stands for, than trust in a “secular conservative” who claims to be a Christian.
-Sorry for the double post.
Hey Cody! Thanks for the concise summary of the CP pro-life compromise. Any true defender of the Christian faith and advocate for the preborn will plainly see the rotten and corrupt foundation the Constitution Party is built on after reading your comment. Funny how y’all keep digging your own hole… Better watch out as you seem to be falling right into it. 🙂