On May 24, New York voters filled the vacant U.S. House seat, 26th district. The results are: 48% for the Democratic nominee, 42% for the Republican nominee, 8% to Jack Davis (the independent candidate with the Tea Party label), and 2% for Ian Murphy, the Green Party nominee.
Maybe this will help send a message to the Republicans that Americans do not want to (and will NOT) go back to an agrarian society where the free market ruled without regulation, and that if you were born poor, and can never get ahead in life, that’s tough – you mother should have married a rich man.
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Or maybe it sends a message to the Democrats that Americans are addicted to being reduced to peonage.
On the other hand, maybe it was just Chris Lee’s scandal that tipped the balance.
Or the fact that there are about 60,000 government workers in the Buffalo metro area and they tend to show up to the polls more often than most others, and they tend to vote D.
The special election was probably an anomaly and this seat will most likely switch again in 2012.
I have relatives in this district. There are 30,000 more registered republican voters. This was about Medicare!
It’s not only about Medicare. The spin that the main stream media is touting leaves out a very important fact, maybe the single most important fact, which is that the GOP of New York is a corrupt good old boy network that keeps nominating their own kind in special elections, completely ignoring the Tea Party. Essentially the same thing happened in the 2009 special election in House District 23. In both yesterday’s race, and in 2009, the hand picked GOP candidate was a despised career politician, and the Tea Party supported another candidate. In 2009, the GOP’s good-old-boy candidate actually pulled out throwing her support to the Democract, while yesterday, the GOP’s good-old-boy candidate stayed in the race, splitting the conservative GOP vote, throwing the race to the Democrat.
The takeaway from all this isn’t about Medicare, it’s about how the GOP, particularly in New York, has no principles, and voters are wising up. In a few states, for example Utah, the Tea Party has gained large influence in the GOP. Look for the GOP to do well in those states. But where the GOP is still controlled by traditional big government country clubbers, the GOP will be swept aside.
And FWIW, this district will probably disappear in 18 months as New York will be losing two House seats.
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The special election was probably an anomaly and this seat will most likely switch again in 2012.
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS? If we republicans don’t get those JOBS we promised you can see more of this.
This election really doesn’t mean much. The Democrat won because of government workers, unions, (possibly) the fake Tea Party candidate, and the scandals from the previous Republican. Besides, New York is a very liberal state, so I am not surprised. #5 has a very good point. The NY GOP has had a history of being the party of corrupt elitism.
with a 29% turn out this doesn’t say much about the concern for either Medicare or whoever was running. Don’t the people get it in Erie County??
At least they were smart enough to pick what was best for the average “Middle Class ” American. The “Libertarian- Fascist ” movement has been persuading our ” Less-comprehensive” citizens that their “Libertarian” people are in some way good for them when libertarianism is AGAINST having a middle class. These New Yorkers see right through that Bunk. God Bless America !!!
#9 So right. #10 Excuse me? Libertarianism is not fascist nor anti-middle class. The Libertarian philosophy is completely anti-fascist and pro-middle class. Maybe you are still stuck in the “Communists on the left, fascists on the right” mindset.
The take away for the Democratic Party should be that 52% of the voters wanted someone else.
the take away for the democrats should be that the won in a district that has been republican for 40 years. The take for the republicans should be that 52% of the coters really wanted us, so we should continue with our anti middle class plan.
After reading all the above posts, the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Conservatives, the Constitutionalists, the Tea Partiers, and all the others who seem to hate the idea that our government is our servant, still don’t get it.
Americans are NOT GOING TO DO AWAY WITH MEDICARE.
Americans are NOT GOING TO DO AWAY WITH SOCIAL SECURITY.
Americans are NOT GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THE EFFORT TO BRING ABOUT SOME TYPE OF WORKABLE HEALTH CARE.
When are 3rd partisans who continue to speak out against Medicare, Social Security, and Health Care going to wake up? If you want to ever be considered seriously by the American voters, wake up and realize this is 2011 – not 1776.
Very easy to be a STATIST with the income and assets of OTHER folks — nothing new in 6,000 plus years of LOOTING the regime treasury by the usual suspect special interest gangs.
1929-2010 added debt – U.S.A./State/Local regimes — about $ 17.1 TRILLION === regime borrowing/spending about 21 percent more than regime income EVERY year for 82 years — mainly older folks looting younger folks and giving younger folks more and more govt debt to worry about.
Such 17.1 Trillion was NOT spent on creating private capital investment (houses, factories, etc) = LOST JOBS, JOBS, JOBS — regardless of the Keynes economic MORONS in Deficit City and in the State capitols.
ANTI-Democracy minority rule gerrymanders control almost ALL in the U.S.A. — EXCEPT in areas having direct voter petitions for State const. amdts and laws.
i.e. 1/2 votes x 1/2 gerrymander districts = about 25-30 percent ANTI-Democracy minority rule. Much worse in the gerrymander U.S.A. Senate (semi-permanent).
P.R. and App.V. — before things automatically happen — see 1773-1776 and 1859-1861 — both having major economic stuff involved.
The NY gerrymander district —
turnout compared to 2010 ???
D/R percentage comparisons 2011 versus 2010 ???
Deny it all you want to, Dem-Rep. American-style Social Democracy, i.e., “populism” is here, and you and all the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Conservatives, the Constitutionalists, and all the others whose minds are “still living in the past” will not change it. Also, the American people are not dumb. They know the differance between atheistic Communism and social democracy. They also know the differance between greedy Capitalism and social democracy.
Super-easy to be a demagogue about statist PONZI schemes
— somebody else will pay in the future for the free stuff you are getting from the govt now (education, healthcare, social insecurity, etc. etc. etc.)
— just before the next gerrymander election.
Hmmm. What happened to the 1917-1991 U.S.S.R. ???
How many RUINS in the world due to STATISM ???
— i.e. how many unrecorded tax/slave revolts against those greedy ruling class oligarchs/monarchs and their stooges ???
DemoRep, if we’d abolish the Federal Reserve System and established a National Banking System, where Congress and Congress alone “coins” US Currency, debt-free and interest-free, then there would not be any of the 17 trillion dollar debt you seem to worry about. But of course you Libertarians, Conservatives, Constitutionalists, and oh yes the Tea Partiers, wouldn’t stand for that, because it would put your banking buddies in the private banks who charge us these ungodly interest rates out of business. I suppose you think it is okay for some people to get rich off the sweat and toil of the laboring man. Am I right?
Coins = MONEY in the Const due to the hyper-inflation in 1775-1781 from the *bills of credit* scheme in the Congress (later in the 1777 Articles of Confederation) — aka *not worth a continental* JUNK piece of paper.
ONE guess which part of the 1777 A.C. was NOT put into the 1787 Const ???
Nonstop MAJOR inflation since 1965 with the end of silver coins and especially since 1971 and the end of gold in foreign trade.
Supply = Demand — way too difficult for the usual suspects to understand.
Very Sorry – BUT — all folks are NOT equal in producing and consuming — despite ALL of the INSANE socialist stuff since the 1800s.
Saving = Producing more than consumption — i.e. making capital goods — houses, stores, factories, roads, major production equipment, etc. — totally beyond the economics in the brains of INSANE spread-the-wealth utopian / delusional socialists — especially the replacement costs of capital when it wears out or is destroyed.
Gee — was there socialist stuff in the name of the U.S.S.R. and even in the name of the Hitler nazi party ???
How did the German and Russian socialists get along in 1941-1945 during World War II ??? — i.e. about 40-50 million DEAD on both sides — regarding which socialist regime would take control.
Demo Rep, if you would read your history, you would find that the reason the paper money of that day was not “worth a continental” was because the Founding Fathers (who were unbridled capitalists and pro-business anyway) did not put Price and Wage Controls into law. If they had, the Continental and all other paper money would have maintained its value.
Strange that the Greenbacks issued by Congress under Lincoln’s authority, kept their value. The “hard money” boys who were losing increased wealth with their hard (gold backed) money, wanted it re-called and unfortunately it was. America has suffered with debt ever since.
This is why I stated earlier, that for a debt-free and interest-free US Currency issued by a National Bank – managed and controlled SOLELY by
Congress – and to not become victim to inflation, is for a Price and Wage Stablization Board to be established for that purpose.
But you ” unbridled free market” defenders don’t want such, as you know it will keep the business community from exploiting the consumers. Why don’t you just admit this is your economic philosophy. I’ll at least respect you for being honest and straight-forward.
Also, Demo Rep. Inflation is caused by the GREEDINESS of the business community – not by government spending or circulating more money into the economy.
Again, a Price and Wage Stablization Board would stop this inflation, which you “doctrinaire free market advocates” always blame on the replacement of Gold and Silver in our monetary system.
The might and strength of the government makes paper money secure – not gold or silver. This is the 21st century, Demo-Rep, wake up! You’re not living in 1776 any longer.
Ignoring all this off-topic arguing…
What is the breakdown among the fusion parties?
Statist solution to all statist caused problems = MORE statism.
Nothing new in 6,000 plus years of more and more statism.
I note the Donkey winner got less than a majority of the votes and of course claims a 100 percent mandate from Hell — like each other gerrymander MONSTER from Hell – leftwing or rightwing.
You still can’t admit to the truth, can you Demo Rep? You think just repeating this silly nonesense of “Statist solution to all statist caused problems = MORE statism” and “Nothing new in 6,000 plus years of more and more statism” will all make it go away like a bad dream.
Greed and the “love of money” is the cause of our economic problems today – not government.
Are the various folks getting tax money and savers loans NOT greedy and NOT having a giant *love of money* ???
Govt officers/employees (i.e. govt unions), govt contractors, govt lenders (getting interest), and of course govt welfare folks — along with their foreign counterparts (getting foreign aid, etc.) ???
STATISM = Loot the Treasury GREED.
How soon before a TOTAL tax revolt in the U.S.A. ???
A bit more —
World political history =
A W-A-R for 6,000 plus years between NET taxpayers (i.e. tax SLAVES) and NET taxgetters (the oligarchs) — per day, week, month, year and lifetimes.
Hmmm. What percentage of the adults in the U.S.A. are tax SLAVES ???
Note – a very large percentage of the taxgetters in #25 do NOT pay any NET taxes in a year — i.e. are living off the labor and savings of the tax SLAVES.
P.R. and App.V. — before Civil WAR II happens.
Demo Rep. I agree the bailouts are caused by and as a result of greed. They (the bailouts) would have have been needed had we had a National Banking system as I’ve described before. The problem, as I see it with you, is that you think ONLY a Private banking system will work in this country. It is the private monetary system that has (and continues) to destroy and indebt this nation.
You also continue to confuse people asking only for a living wage or money to get a good education, or adequate health care for their children as “looters of the treasury.” Stop lumping all people together, and you might start making some sense.
How much economic statism is magically enough for leftwing/rightwing control freak statists ???
50 percent of the economy ???
100 percent of the economy ???
Pick a magic percentage.
Who is going to pay back that $$$ 17.1 TRILLION in govt debt ???
— about 30-40 percent of the debt is now owed to foreign folks — China, etc.
History note – after the War of 1812, the Civil War and even World War I, the gerrymander regimes made a effort to pay off the war debts.
ONE surplus year in 1929-2010 — 1947 (likely by accident in the early Cold War).
MAJOR-MAJOR peacetime deficits in 1931-1941, 1982-1992 and 2001-2010 — quite enough for a TOTAL econ meltdown any day now.
You just keep ignoring the issue, don’t you Demo-Rep? A National Bank would solve all of this. But like so many others, you think our money has to be based on gold or silver to be good or to keep debt down. An economically, militarily, industrially, and a sovereignty strong nation is all we need to keep our currency solid and the public accepting it and trusting it. A National Banking system – with Congress and Congress only issuing US Currency which is interest-free and thereby creating no national debt, and a permanent Price and Wage Stablization Board to keep Inflation under control, America could reach the greatness that many of the forefathers invisioned.
But you just don’t get it do you, Demo-Rep? You just don’t get it!
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History note – the Libertarian Party got going in 1971 due in part to the EVIL statism of the Wage and Price stuff of Prez Nixon — leading to — guess what — the MAJOR inflation in the 1970s and the MAJOR Depression in 1981-1983.
The peacetime regime debt is added when the gerrymander statists borrow money for their statist spending schemes — i.e. more and more govt employees, govt contracts and welfare — which are NOT paid for by added taxes.
See the inflation rate since 1965 due to the MONSTERS in the Federal Reserve System — the *national banking* system — i.e. the 1965 dollar is about 80 percent wiped out in value — i.e. a worse and worse banana republic economy.
Again, Demo Rep, you don’t get it. Nixon’s Wage and Price efforts flopped because it was abandoned and not enforced, and he was distracted with Watergate. We would have to establish a PERMANENT PRICE AND WAGE STABLIZATION BOARD to control Inflation. Violators would be heavily fined or sent to Prison. The greedy manufacturers, distributors, and retailers would soon get the message.
The Federal Reserve System (which you finally admit is a “monster” would be replaced with a National Banking System – owned and controlled soley by the U.S. Government with Congress and Congress only issuing US Currency – not Federal Reserve Notes – without interest and therefore would creat no national debt.
Why can’t you understand this? Or, are you one of these who thinks it is okay for private banks to loan “created” money to consumers who must pay it back with compounded interest by the “sweat of their brow?” If so, I understand why you must be a Libertarian.
Only delusionial utopian statists want to control the EVER-changing economy — having more efficient ways of producing goods and services (with new inventions, etc.) — at least in what remains of the private sector — aka business.
Paper money is OK in theory — ONLY IF it is LIMITED per adult — i.e. via a CONSTITUTIONAL amdt — along with having NO deficits in peacetime years.
The party hack robots in the gerrymander Congress would LOVE to inflate the money supply just before each gerrymander election — to have one more econ FIX — just like a drug fix.
See the inflation rates on the internet–
1789-1812
1812-1860
1861-1914
and the NONSTOP inflation since 1914 with the FRS – except for the deflation insanity in 1929-1933.
See the per person money supply in 1789-1860 especially.
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