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This year, the electoral college meets on Monday, December 17, in state capitols around the nation. Some states provide that the electors vote in a meeting that is open to the public.
I imagine there’s a fair chance there will be a faithless republican elector or two since the president has a relatively high majority of electoral votes. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ron Paul ended up getting a vote or two.
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Another meeting of an EVIL minority rule gerrymander oligarchy — full of New Age robot party hacks.
Abolish the EVIL E.C. and the EVIL minority rule gerrymander U.S.A. Senate — with its filibuster clowns from many blowhard small States.
Uniform definition of Elector in ALL of the U.S.A.
P.R. and nonpartisan App.V.
Very funny small state blowhards! California-mega state blowhards then?
As I understand it the Electoral College leads the series. Is that true? Some say it is not the case. Perhaps #2 could edify the masses.
Does utah have its meeting open to the public?
There is no requirement that the presidential electors meet in the State Capitol, or even the capital.
In 2004, the Alaska electors met in Anchorage. In 2008 the electors in Maryland and New Jersey did not meet in their respective Capitols. Neither did the electors in Massachusetts, Rhode Island, or New Hampshire – but that is somewhat of a technicality.
It is not apparent that the Wyoming electors actually met. Each elector has a separate certificate.
in how many state courts are litigation challenges ripe for trial regarding identity fraud related to obama’s constitutional ineligibility as a US natural born citizen? e.g. NYS Kings County Civil Supreme
Something is “ripe…”
your tired meme.
Obama was born in Hawaii.
Obama is a natural born citizen eligible to be President.
Obama is the President.
Only loons are still pursuing lawsuits over this, or cheering for them.
Well again two persons not qualified to be POTUS will have electors in the Electorial College. Both had alien
fathers at the time of their birth.
I note the the totals are in for California that voted in the POTUS/VPOTUS November 6, 2012 election. The total was 13,035,859. If that is the same number, but
my guess the numbers will be lots higher in the vote count in November, 2014, in California’s election I
see the four lowest count quilified political parties,
not qualified by 2015. Reason, based on the number
of 13,035,859 that number to quilify would be 130,359.
Green had an October 22, 2012 registration of 115,034.
Libertarian had an October 22, 2012 registration of 108,957. P&F registration had an October 22, 2012 registration of 61,957. American Elect is just over
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party of California
To “Be Rational”
Did you know that the State of Hawai’i had issued 58 birth certificates to person’s born on Midway Atoll.
Midway has never been part of Hawai’i, because it was
a guano island under the Guano Islands Act of 1856.
Did you know that Mombasa is a sister city to Honolulu.
Mombasa is the place where Obama was born.
Did you know that Obama arrived on September 20, 1961
at Tilbury Dock in London, aboard the ship S.S. Uganda from Mombasa as a subject of the Sultan of Zanzibar and a “British Protected Person” under the British Nationality Act, 1948.
Did you know that Stanley Ann Obama started University of Washington Extention at Seattle, Washington in late September,1961. Baby Barry Obama lived on Capitol Hill,
Seattle, Washington while UW.
@12 But it says “natural-born”. The nationality of the parent(s) is irrelevant one way or the other. After all, Obama’s mother is American, which would make him a citizen even if he were born in Kenya. But he wouldn’t be a “natural-born” citizen, which is the issue here.
McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which at the time was a US territory. It’s analogous to being born in Guam today. Or Hawaii a couple years before Obama was born, when it was a territory.
Romney was born in Detroit.
They’re all “natural-born” US citizens, regardless of their parents’ nationality. And if one of them were born to two American citizens in another country, he would not be eligible.
Well $44M plus should be worth one EC vote for ol’ Dr. Paul. So much money, so much effort and a R Sen.in the family only to show. Oh well!
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Since then the federal government has increasingly intervened through Medicare, Medicaid, the HMO Act and tens of thousands of regulations on doctors, hospitals and health-insurance companies.
Today, more than 50 percent of all healthcare dollars are spent by the government.
Health insurance costs are skyrocketing. Government health programs are heading for bankruptcy. Politicians continue to pile on the regulations.
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We should replace harmful government agencies like the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) with more agile, free-market alternatives. The mission of the FDA is to protect us from unsafe medicines. In fact, the FDA has driven up healthcare costs and deprived millions of Americans of much-needed treatments. For example, during a 10-year delay in approving Propanolol Propranolol (a heart medication for treating angina and hypertension), approximately 100,000 people died who could have been treated with this lifesaving drug. Bureaucratic roadblocks kill sick Americans.
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2008 POTUS elector eligibility case is also still “active” — same trial level judge.
Court: Kings Civil Supreme
Index Number: 029642/2008
— there are now 16 active challenges to Obama in multiple states and courts.
@14… John McCain was NOT born in the Canal Zone. Check it out. He was born in Panama and his original birth certificate is in Spanish. The dispensary at the CZ was not equipped to handle births. Still, he was born of US parents and his father was on official orders so his citizenship is not really in question.
As many as three or four electors might “defect”. It will be interesting to see if they vote for Dr. Paul or for Gov. Gary Johnson, the Libertarian nominee (who drew over 1.255 million votes).
@14: Actually, Obama’s citizenship is dependent on him having been born in the U.S. rather than in Kenya. The relevant provision (8 U.S.C. sec. 1401(g)), as of when he was born, stated that “The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth …
[other categories omitted from this comment]
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years ….”
Barack Obama was born when his mother was 18 years old, thus she had not been physically present anywhere for five years after attaining the age of fourteen years prior to her son’s birth. Thus, if Obama had been born in Kenya, he would not be a citizen despite having an American mother. However, he was in fact born in Hawaii, so he is a natural born citizen.
By the way, Section 1401(g) has since had the year requirements reduced, and now says “… for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years ….” The amendment was made in 1986.
@17: I predict that all 16 of those challenges will fail.
@20: I may have misinterpreted the comment at @14. If Obama had been born in Kenya, he would not be a natural born citizen, but he could have acquired citizenship later under another provision of law. (But, in real life, he was born in Hawaii.)
Natural born = At birth ALLEGIANCE to a nation-state regime via father’s nation-state status.
Naturalization = Change in ALLEGIANCE after birth.
Place of birth means ZERO — in a nation, in a foreign nation, on the High Seas, on Mars, etc.
ALLEGIANCE is what counts.
Much too difficult for armies of legal history MORONS to understand.
History notes – in English history the NB stuff became an issue when various English kids were born in France during the various England-France wars during the DARK AGE and later with the English kids born in the various Brit colonies overseas and on foreign ships.
14th Amdt, Sec. 1 — subject to the jurisdiction thereof = having ALLEGIANCE at birth to the U.S.A. regime.
It took 2 U.S.A. laws in 1924 and 1940 to NATURALIZE the surviving members of the various American Indian tribes to become U.S.A. citizens.
— i.e. American Indians were deemed *internal* foreign folks before such laws.
The old rotted monarchy regimes had *subjects* with their Dark Age feudal ALLEGIANCE to the monarchs involved.
MAJOR change in things in the U.S.A. on 4 July 1776 — NO more EVIL ROTTED monarchs.
“The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would
mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born
“in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born
abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for
U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S.
citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal
process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen.”
Give it up haters…your pseudo legal nonsense is going nowhere. Obama is president, and will not be removed by any courts due to your wacko theories. Just get used to it and move on. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize him or even remove him from office. Where he was born is not one of them.
The reason there is so much hub bub about Obama’s birth is due to racism. Not that all of the people who peddle it are racists, some are not, some are even black themselves. But that’s where it stems from and a big part of why it gets parroted so much even though it is just plain nonsense.
Mark Seidenberg –
It’s God’s will that Obama is president. Do you hate God as much as you hate Obama?
God hates birfers.
Hey don’t knock the birthers but for them you might have President-elect Trump!
Here’s an idea. Birthers will stop saying Obama was not born in the US when liberals stop saying Bush stole the election in 2000.
You don’t have to be a liberal to realize he stole it both times. That’s just historical facts. And it’s still true even though the Democrats who ran against him sucked sweaty eggs both times.
As for birfers I really can’t explain why they are so brain damaged. Perhaps they got dribbled head first like basketballs when they were babies?
US Department of State “destroyed” the passport travel database of supposed US citizen Stanley Anne Duhnam.
I have a better idea. Birthers and Liberals stop making fools of themselves, and all of us will be better off for that.
Just an idea.
Do some folks on this list have ALLEGIANCE only to leftwing control freak STATISM — in the person of the current statist-in-chief Obama ??? Duh.
No allegiance, he’s a war criminal and should be removed for office and handed over to the Taliban to answer for his drone strikes.
But natural born citizen? Yes he is. Stop riding that dead horse birthers, it ain’t coming back to life.
Gangs of New York (City), reported execution on the street near Central Park, and the Obits
Saucer-shaped object the size of a gymnasium seen landing in Iowa cornfield.
You missed your flight home, apparently.
TO Casual Bystander & Gregory Koch
RE: Post 14 & Post 18
John McCain III was born in the Republic of Panama and
not the Canal Zone, viz., Colon Hospital, Colon Island,
Republic of Panama, Therefore an alien at birth, because at the time of his birth, Roberta Wright (mother) was not lawfully married to John McCain II
(punative father). There was no lawful marriage at
Ceasar Bar at TJ. In Baja California all marrages must
that place at an office of civil registry. Under the
terms of the Hague Convention of Nationality of 1930,
John McCain III is an alien in the United States and a
Citizen of the Republic of Panama. Robert Wright was
no employed by the United States Government or the Panama Railroad Company or its successor.
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