According to this story, Jill Stein has already raised enough money to pay for a recount of the Wisconsin presidential vote. The fund drive is continuing with thoughts of Michigan and Pennsylvania.
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Edited By Richard Winger
According to this story, Jill Stein has already raised enough money to pay for a recount of the Wisconsin presidential vote. The fund drive is continuing with thoughts of Michigan and Pennsylvania.
How many more DEADLINES for recount stuff ???
Each election is NOT supposed to be an ENDLESS event.
Since the Stein campaign appears to be the primary vehicle for this fundraising effort, do the contributions qualify for Federal Matching funds? It could be an ingenious way for the Stein campaign to build up a warchest, via matching funds
Green Party candidates are only eligible for matching funds for their nominating contest, their “primary”– not the general election. She stopped being eligible when she accepted the Green nomination.
Off-topic, but thought I’d share this… there are no ZERO Republicans in the Hawaiian Senate; and no independents. It is solely Democrats filling all 25 seats.
Should read “now ZERO”…
Wisconsin is also, unless I’m mistaken, the one state where Jill Stein’s vote total by itself exceeded the margin of Trump’s victory. So… is this supposed to be a recount where the requesting candidate hopes for a *lower* vote percentage? š
This whole thing kind of hilariously vindicates the narrative that she helped Trump and now regrets it (there are states Clinton won by a narrower margin– funny how Jill’s not asking for recounts in say, New Hampshire). It’s almost as funny as a bunch of angry, gullible Democrats giving Jill Stein money.
@Andy Craig:
New Hampshire’s electoral votes are not sufficient to alter the outcome. The three states of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania combined have sufficient electoral votes to do so.
I don’t know what Stein’s motive is, but it wouldn’t surprise me that she is curious to find out if the conspiracy theories that the Russians altered the results from the electronic voting machines in those states are true.
I’m aware that NH wouldn’t change the outcome; my point is that changing the outcome is her apparent goal (and even if it’s not, it’s absolutely the reason why people are giving her money).
It’s just… odd… for her to be so concerned about that now. After so many months of insisting she didn’t care if Trump beat Clinton and that it might even be better if he did. Now’s she’s taking people’s money with the implicit, if not explicit, purpose of changing the result from Trump wins to Clinton wins.
As for conspiracy theories (and they’re nothing more than that) about Russian hackers… couldn’t she just ask her buddy Vlad at the next RT gala in Moscow?
More seriously, a recount would do nothing to reveal that even if it was true. Only an audit of the voting equipment would, but that’s an entirely different process. If the machines rendered a tampered count on Nov. 8; they’ll just spit back the same tampered count again in a “recount”
Would this be the first presidential campaign that has raised more money after Election Day then they did before?
I’m not sure abt Mr Craig’s crankiness? Did a Green out poll him in an election. And I do not support the Greens ideologiclly and I did not vote for Stein.
I think if a person looked into this fundraising campaign closely you would see that Stein can request a recount (and I do agree that Clinton or Trump, mostly potato patatoe. With just enough openess to a contemporay for of proto-fascism to make Trump the more actually dangerous of the two. imo
What I wonder is this action by Stein because she thinks the actual democratic process has been flimflammed, or because she thinks that Trump is more dangerous in power?
And, imo, an even more interesting line of inquiry is why Clinton has not pursued this? Imo it’s just 2000, the Democrats don’t want to open the door to Our Political System is Rigged because then not only would the DP’s past corrupt machines would be up for comment. And once you’ve opened that door, The Duopoly comes into question.
Notice how mainstream Democrats make no mention of how reactionary the Electoral College system is. Etc.
I’m not cranky about the Greens. If anything, I’ll give them credit for this bit of an evil-genius move. I think the people actually giving them money for it are dupes, though, unless their goal is actually to help the Green Party in future elections (unlikely). This is obviously mainly from people who hope to see the results in those states changed; but that isn’t going to happen. Trump is up a full point in Wisconsin and almost 1.2% in Pennsylvania. Between those two states Clinton would have to make up a margin of almost 100,000 votes; and that’s not going to happen in any recount. I don’t think most of the people donating understand that.
As for why Clinton isn’t pursuing it: see above. If there was a slim enough margin in enough states to matter, they would be pursuing it, Clinton’s pre-election complaints about Trump “not accepting the results” notwithstanding. But recounts don’t move that many votes, they’d just look like sore losers refusing to concede, and they would have no hope of changing who won. Recounts can move maybe a few hundred votes; on the high end maybe low-four-figures. But not tens of thousands of votes. Look at North Carolina– the GOP incumbent Governor is being roundly mocked and rejected by his own party’s officials for hoping to overturn an insurmountable Democratic lead of about 6-8,000 votes.
…and I have never faced a Green Party opponent in an election. š
@Will Fenwick,
Stein’s fundraising effort has an upper limit of $2700, which suggests that this is part of Stein’s general election campaign, and subject to the $2700 contribution limit.
But it also says that if you want to throw in $10,000 you can contribute $10,000 to the Massachusetts Green Party. It sounds like a naughty Dr. Stein is attempting to circumvent federal campaign contribution laws and is comingling funds.
It is possible that this is similar to Dr. Ben Carson’s campaign, which was funneling much of its contributions to fund-raising efforts. A top election lawyer can probably charge $500+/hour. Bill a few 100 hours, and then jet off to Switzerland in January.
Very Green!
@Andy Craig,
When David Cobb was the Green Party presidential candidate in 2004, there were suggestions that he avoided campaigning in States where he could cost John Kerry electoral votes.
In 2016, he is Jill Stein’s campaign manager.
Perhaps he selected the three states because Stein appears to be a spoiler candidate there.
Perhaps she is now in the 2020 primary phase and can indeed use the money for matching funds?
I think the choice of states has less to do with any actual desire on their part; and more to do with the fact that a recount in Trump’s key states will no doubt attract much more support than a recount in any of the states Hillary narrowly won.
Stein did beat the spread in Wisconsin (barely) and Michigan. She did not in Pennsylvania. Thus the observation others have made, that Hillary could have won 100% of Jill Stein’s voters in every state, and still would have lost the Electoral College.
As for Cobb; he also did a similar thing in Ohio in 2004; rallying Democratic support for a recount that the Democratic candidate would not pursue.
Stein had about 7 minutes of raving on the PBS Newshour on Thanksgiving Day.
Gee – will the Donkey / Elephant gerrymander oligarchy regimes smash anti-Donkey / Elephant 3rd parties by all means possible ???
NONPARTISAN Approval Voting for all elected executive officers and all judges — vote for 1 or more, highest win —
pending SOME education about Condorcet Head to Head math.
“Accepting the Elections results” does not mean that a Presidential Candidate doesn’t have a LEGAL RIGHT to challenge the results!… and, based on the numbers of computer scientists (and the wack of lawyers!) that met with Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Team members last Thursday, there’s a clear cause for concern! And as for the suggestion offered up by sundry that Hillary Clinton supporters have been “harassing the Electors”!… well… and again!… there’s a LEGAL RIGHT to convince Electors in a given state to concede to a National Popular Vote!
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Indeed!… the electorate have as much of a Right to claim Ballot Results Irregularity– at least!– as any Candidate has! In fact, as Candidates– in a “democracy”!– exist to represent the “will” of the people, it’s my view, that the Right of the people to “Elections transparency”, “trumps” that, OF ANY CANDIDATE! And so… regardless of any set timetable for Candidates to invoke some action on suspected problems with Elections transparency (and re this present Election process, by Friday, November 25, 2016!… or, thereabouts!), both Constitutional and Tort legal action, are within the Rights of the average American voter to pursue! And!… I should point out, action, on a NUMBER of valid legal grounds!… e.g., the Right to a Paper Ballot (regardless of the state in which one has voted!), and the Right to a “None of the Above Ballot option”! But!… on the matter of the “Elector Lobby Petitions” currently underway, my concerns are as follows…
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LITIGATIONALLY VS PETITIONALLY REMOVING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
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In even a cursory examination of this outrageous nigh past– though, tentative!– U.S. Election, at the root of the abysmal failure of the U.S. “Electoral System” to achieve a D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C Plurality, is its failure to facilitate the E-S-S-E-N-T-I-A-L D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C R-E-Q-U-I-R-E-M-E-N-T of a “D-I-R-E-C-T E-L-E-C-T-I-O-N”, through a “O-N-E V-O-T-E-R, O-N-E V-O-T-E” Elections System! And due– PRIMARILY!– to the institution of a Republican preferred U-N-D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C “Electoral College”!… with “Electors”, and INDIRECT “Electoral Votes”!
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Consequently!… given the astounding and P-E-R-V-E-R-S-E Trump “win”, numerous Petitions have now emerged online– at least!– to challenge, and to eliminate the Electoral College! To many Americans– and I suggest, to MOST Americans!– Trump becoming the “President-elect”… and despite losing the “popular vote”!… was– and still is!– A S-H-O-C-K T-O T-H-E C-O-R-E O-F D-E-M-O-C-R-A-C-Y, A-N-D, T-O R-A-T-I-O-N-A-L P-O-L-I-T-I-C-A-L D-I-S-C-O-U-R-S-E! And the situation is reminiscent of the controversial 2000 Presidential race between George W. Bush and Al Gore!… in which Gore won the “popular vote”, but, Bush was elected President!
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Under the U.S Constitution, until the designated Electors of the Electoral College assemble in their state capitals to place in their votes (and in this present process, on December 19th!)… followed, by a meeting of Congress to affirm the result (and in this present process, on January 6th)!… things are still not fully settled! In most of the country, it’s a “winner-takes-all” system: whoever wins a state’s “popular vote” is awarded all the Electoral votes for that state! The catch is, that these votes are based on a state’s number of Senators and House Representatives!… so, they vary from state to state! It’s more important to win states with a high proportion of Electoral Votes– like Trump taking Wisconsin, and Florida!– than to receive the most votes overall! November 8th’s U.S. vote, was– technically!– not to make Trump the next President, but, to determine who the 538 Electors in the various states across the country will be! It is those Electors who will bear the responsibility of casting the votes that will “legally elect” the next U.S. President (i.e…. and presently!… on December 19th!)! And it is for this reason, why millions of Hillary Clinton supporters… and supporters of “democracy”!… are anxious to lobby Electors, in an effort to trump Trump!
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And so… this “mysterious victory” has reawakened… of course!… interest in, and has revived tactical approaches to, the elimination of the much criticized Electoral College! And, VEHEMENT criticisms!… and which are not only rife today, but, which have flurished for decades!
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And, for example, David Boise… a lawyer who represented Gore, in Bush v. Gore, in 2000!… told the New York Times, that he considers the Electoral College a “historical anomaly”! A view, that has been echoed by millions online– at least!– since 2000!… and, by millions more, since November the 8th!
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However!… the S-O-L-U-T-I-O-N to the evils inhere within this nearly completed U.S. Election, is not to place emphasis on merely changing the minds, and votes, of Electors!… as is currently the case with the Lady Gaga supported Change.org Petition (among other “Elector Lobby Petitions”!)… but, on challenging CONSTITUTIONALLY (and through TORT!… AND, NOW!), the inherent violation of the “Principles of Democracy (i.e., those respective of one’s Democratic Right to a ‘DIRECT ELECTION’, and, to ‘ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE’!)” through the present UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND TORTIOUS DEFERENCE to the Electoral College in the first place!… and, to the “Colleg(e)al Conventions” that will finally determine who becomes President!
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Challenging the Electoral College based on a “C-O-N-S-T-I-T-U-T-I-O-N-A-L I-M-P-E-R-A-T-I-V-E” to bind the Electoral College to the “Principles of Democracy”, is as an important consideration for those desiring an end to the Electoral College, as it is for those desiring the beginning of D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C PLURALITIES! If the T-R-U-E “Principles of Democracy” are said (IN A SOUND COURT OF LAW!) to necessitate the B-I-N-D-I-N-G A-D-H-E-R-E-N-C-E of governments to the “popular decisions” of an electorate (R-E A-N-Y E-L-E-M-E-N-T T-H-A-T W-O-U-L-D P-O-R-T-E-N-D A-N E-L-E-C-T-O-R-A-T-E-‘-S G-O-V-E-R-N-A-N-C-E!… and e.g., the Electoral College!)”, then, a CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGE (and TORT CHALLENGE!) against an ENTRENCHED MARGINALIZATION of an electorate’s “popular vote” through a “S-L-I-G-H-T O-F H-A-N-D” and “E-N-D R-U-N” around the “Principles of Democracy (e.g., through the Electoral College!)”, would go a long way toward “EXPOSING” what these Electoral mechanisms have been– and are!– all about! And!… MOST IMPORTANTLY!… such a challenge would reveal the veracity (or lack, thereof!) of the claims in support of the Electoral College!
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The bottom line, is:… ANY ATTEMPT TO UNDERMINE THE B-I-N-D-I-N-G OF THE “POPULAR EXPRESSION” TO A “POPULAR ELECTION” BY WAY OF SOME “POLITICAL CIRCUMLOCUTORY OBFUSCATION (E.G., THE CLAIMS IN SUPPORT OF AN ELECTORAL COLLEGE!)”, SHOULD BE MADE SUBJECT TO “JUDICIOUS” CONSTITUTIONAL (AND TORT!) ADJUDICATION! AND SUCH “COLLEG(E)AL CIRCUMLOCUTORY OBFUSCATION”, SHOULD NOT BE MADE SYNONYMOUS WITH A “REASONED DEFINITION” OF, AND “REASONED APPROACH” TO, WHAT CONSTITUTES THE T-R-U-E “PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY”!
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In the face of the EVIDENCE that the U.S. Electoral System is a breach of the “Principles of Democracy”!… and, that the process Americans have been about (i.e., involving the Electoral College– at least!) has been a SHAM!… a competent court of jurisdiction could just as easily turn around, and say:… “You know… you guys (Senators and Congresspersons!) have been made WELL AWARE of the CLEAR CONSTITUTIONAL BREACHES inhere within the Electoral College! And so!… YOU ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE!… A-N-D Y-O-U A-R-E N-O-W O-B-L-I-G-E-D T-O A-M-E-N-D T-H-E P-R-O-C-E-S-S, F-O-R-T-H-W-I-T-H (and the stated Conventions of the Amending Formula, N-O-T-W-I-T-H-S-T-A-N-D-I-N-G!… and, the present Conventions and obligations of the Electoral College’s Electoral voting process, N-O-T-W-I-T-H-S-T-A-N-D-I-N-G!)!!… AND TO INSTITUTE WHAT HAS BEEN CALLED FOR BY COUNTLESS JUDICIAL ADVOCATES AND ADVOCACIES, AND, BY SOUND JURIPRUDENCE!!”
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Of course, the legal machinations to be pursued, depend on what’s being argued before the court, and on how well this is presented!… and– ultimately!– before the US Supreme Court! But!… and for God’s sake– if for no one else’s sake!… Senators and Congresspersons (and America’s top legal minds!– at least!) have been made FULLY AWARE of the “Principles of Democracy”!… and have been made FULLY AWARE of the need to UPHOLD THE “DEMOCRATIC WILL” of the Electorate! And so… it’s not as if these learned political souls would be “blindsided” by a Court’s decision, that these act… AND ACT NOW!… to remedy a centuries-old injustice! Adherence to a Constitutional Amending Formula is of less importance… as is adhering to the present legislated Electoral College’s Electoral Conventions!… than adherence to the CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS!… THE CORNERSTONE OF DEMOCRACY! All a judge need say, is:… “Cut the cr*p!… and get on with it!”
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And thus!… concerned Americans– I believe!– must refocus their efforts… FULL EFFORTS!– AND FOREMOST!… ON SEEKING (N-O-W!) TO CONSTITUTIONALLY (AND THROUGH TORT!) TO UPHOLD THE “PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRACY”! And although Americans are free… of course!… to join in on the lesser “Electoral Lobby Petitions”, the “B-E-T-T-E-R R-E-T-U-R-N” will be from the suggested LEGAL ACTIONS (and through– e.g.– “Crowd Funding”!), and the “Abolitionist Petitions (such as those of MoveOn.org!… and, the like!)”! And!… inasmuch!… as the present ILLEGAL DENIAL of “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, and of “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE (by way of the very existence of the Electoral College!)”, I-S T-H-E C-E-N-T-R-A-L P-R-O-B-L-E-M!
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To sum up… the “Equal Protection Clause” is part of the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT to the United States Constitution! The clause… which took effect in 1868!… provides, that no state shall deny to any person within its jurisdiction, “the equal protection of the laws (and, I’ll add here, Equal Constitutional Protection re the application of the Constitution with respect to the state application of Electoral College Voting, and a state’s elections law that applies to a given Federal Election!)”!
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A primary motivation for this clause was to validate the “equality provisions” contained in the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which guaranteed that A-L-L P-E-O-P-L-E (and, I’ll add here, ALL AMERICAN VOTERS!… AND REGARDLESS OF THE STATE IN WHICH A VOTER RESIDES!) would have Rights EQUAL to those of A-L-L C-I-T-I-Z-E-N-S (e.g., whatever is afforded in one state pertaining to Electoral College voting, and a state’s elections law that applies to any given Federal Election, SHOULD BE AFFORDED TO A-L-L A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N-S!)! As a whole, the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT marked a large shift in “American Constitutionalism”, BY APPLYING– SUBSTANTIALLY!– MORE CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS AGAINST THE STATES than had applied befor the Civil War!
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The meaning of the Equal Protection Clause has been the subject of much debate!… and inspired the well-known phrase, “Equal Justice Under Law”! This clause was the basis for Brown v. Board of Education (1954)… the Supreme Court decision that helped to dismantle racial segregation! And!… which also formed the basis for many other Human Rights decisions which/ that REJECTED DISCRIMINATION AGAINST PEOPLE BELONGING TO VARIOUS GROUPS (and I’ll add here, a “hoped-for” future decision:… a state’s discrimination in its application of Electoral College voting, and in its creation and application of its elections law that applies to any given Federal Election, when compared to the creation and the application of such, state-to-state!… AND, DISCRIMINATION WITH RESPECT TO “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”!)!
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And despite the said “fact” that the Equal Protection Clause itself applies only to state and local governments, the Supreme Court held in Bolling v. Sharpe (1954) that Equal Protection requirements within the FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT apply to the Federal Government through the “DUE PROCESS CLAUSE” of the FIFTH AMENDMENT! IN OTHER WORDS, EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT REQUIREMENTS MUST APPLY STATE-TO-STATE, RE ANY ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, THE CREATION AND APPLICATION OF ANY STATE ELECTION LAW THAT WOULD APPLY TO A GIVEN FEDERAL ELECTION, AND, TO “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”!
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Well, folks!… and to cut to the chase!… even in adopting the Conventions of the Electoral College (leaving aside– for the moment!– the issue of “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, and “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”!), STATE-RUN ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, AND STATE-RUN ELECTION LAWS GOVERNING ANY GIVEN FEDERAL ELECTION BY WAY OF THE POWERS GRANTED STATES THROUGH ARTICLE II, SECTION 1 OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION (WHICH GIVES THE STATES EXCLUSIVE CONTROL OVER AWARDING THEIR RESPECTIVE ELECTORAL VOTES!), ARE PRESENTLY IN BREACH OF THE FEDERAL “DUE PROCESS CLAUSE” OF THE FIFTH AMENDMENT OF THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION (AND THEREBY, FEDERAL “EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT”, STATE-TO-STATE!), IN THAT, THE INDIVIDUAL STATES (BY MERE VIRTUE OF THEIR INDIVIDUAL APPROACH TO ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, AND THEIR RESPECTIVE CREATION AND APPLICATION OF STATE ELECTION LAWS THAT WOULD APPLY TO ANY GIVEN FEDERAL ELECTION!) S-Y-S-T-E-M-I-C-A-L-L-Y D-E-N-Y C-O-L-L-E-C-T-I-V-E/ U-N-I-L-A-T-E-R-A-L F-E-D-E-R-A-L D-U-E P-R-O-C-E-S-S A-N-D E-Q-U-A-L P-R-O-T-E-C-T-I-O-N A-N-D B-E-N-E-F-I-T T-O A-L-L A-M-E-R-I-C-A-N C-I-T-I-Z-E-N-S, WHEN THE RESPECTIVE STATES’ ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING AND ELECTIONS LAWS ARE COMPARED SIDE-BY-SIDE/ STATE-TO-STATE! BUT, MOREOVER, THIS STATE-TO-STATE BREACH OF FEDERAL “DUE PROCESS”… AND THUS, FEDERAL “EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT”!… WITH RESPECT TO THE STATE-TO-STATE APPARATUS FOR ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, AND THE CREATION AND APPLICATION OF STATE-TO-STATE ELECTIONS LAWS, DOESN’T EVEN TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE MORE SERIOUS BREACH OF FEDERAL “DUE PROCESS (AND THUS, FEDERAL ‘EQUAL PROTECTION AND BENEFIT’!)”, IN THE DISCRIMINATORY STATE-TO-STATE FAILURE TO FACILITATE “DIRECT ELECTIONS”, AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”!
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THEREFORE!… THE O-N-L-Y S-O-L-U-T-I-O-N THAT WILL END THIS STATE-TO-STATE DISCRIMINATION IN THE APPLICATION OF ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, THE CREATION AND APPLICATION OF RESPECTIVE STATE ELECTION LAWS TO ANY GIVEN FEDERAL ELECTION, AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF “DIRECT ELECTIONS” AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”, IS THE ABANDONMENT OF BOTH ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING AND STATE ELECTIONS LAWS, IN FAVOR OF THE CREATION OF ONE FEDERAL “DIRECT ELECTIONS, ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE” LAW!… AND, ELECTIONS PROCESS! BUT!… IN LIEU OF, AND IN ADVANCE OF THE LEGISLATIVE DRAFTING OF ANY SUCH LAW, ADVOCATES AND ADVOCACIES WHO/ WHICH CONTEST THE INEQUALITY OF ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTING, STATE ELECTIONS LAWS, AND, THE ABSENCE OF “DIRECT ELECTIONS” AND “ONE VOTER, ONE VOTE”, WOULD DO WELL TO E-X-P-E-D-I-T-E T-H-E L-E-G-I-S-L-A-T-I-V-E P-R-O-C-E-S-S THROUGH THE I-M-M-E-D-I-A-T-E I-N-V-O-C-A-T-I-O-N OF THE NECESSARY CONSTITUTIONAL AND TORT MEASURES, T-H-A-T W-O-U-L-D S-E-E T-H-E “J-U-D-I-C-I-O-U-S E-F-F-E-C-T-A-T-I-O-N” O-F S-U-C-H A L-A-W, B-Y W-A-Y O-F A C-O-U-R-T-‘-S R-U-L-I-N-G, T-H-A-T S-U-C-H A L-A-W, I-S “P-A-S-T D-U-E”!!
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Your courts!… and your communities’ learned legal minds (and, Crowd Funding resources!)!… await your calls! And the sooner, the better!!
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Please!!… no emails!
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P.S.: URGENT NOTICE: Please also see, http://www.foxla.com/good-day/good-day-la-experts-and-other-guests/218882862-story… AND… http://www.blueoregon.com/2016/11/oregon-can-help-abolish-electoral-college-right-now-no-really/
Two stories —
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/23/election-recount/94352632/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/11/23/michigan-elections-director-casts-doubt-hacking-claim/94327842/
— *possible* hacking of even paper scanner machines.
BACK to the PAST ??? — ONLY paper ballots counted by human eyeballs (i.e. 1950s)
— i.e. TOTAL mobilization on election nights of ALL able bodied folks not on major life support duty ???
— possible multiple election days to limit the amount of stuff to be counted in any one election ???
I believe a recount in Massachusetts is warranted. Stein’s vote percentage in MA, where she lived and worked and campaigned, was nearly equal to her percentage in Wyoming, where she spent no significant time on the campaign trail that I can remember. That just doesn’t make any sense.
Perhaps Jill Stein and her party are trying to cover their own cans. Looks at the Democrats’ campaign of keeping Ralph Nader off state election ballots in 2004 as they still blame him for helping to deliver the 2000 election to George W. Bush. This was one reason why Bernie Sanders refused to run a third-party or independent campaign this year.
Also, maybe Dr. Stein may have been either intimidated or bribed by Hillary supporters.
That’s just my opinion.
The Elections are over.Third party’s now have the time to rethink new strategies.Mayne Donald Trump voters will regret they voted in this Election if there favorite Government programs are threatens or there jobs shut down permanently.Especially in the rust belt and plain states.If the Libertarian party doesn’t run a charismatic candidate in 2020 they will not ever receive my support again.
This country was founded as a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy. Perhaps one should read one of the Federalist Papers in which James Madison warned us against democracy.
How about the American Revolutionary WAR against the Brit monarch and oligarchs in 1775-1783 ???
The WAR against the slavery monarchs and oligarchs in 1861-1865.
The WAR against the Central Powers monarchs and oligarchs in 1914-1918.
The WAR against the Axis Powers monarchs and oligarchs in 1939-1945.
ONLY brain dead MORONS love those minority rule monarch and oligarch systems from Hell — in force in most of the world since recorded history from about 4,000 B.C.
Democracy NOW — to END the corrupt and evil rule of the monarchs/oligarchs in the USA.
The planned activities in New York on December 3, 2016, cited at, http://meetup.blackmatte…n-one-vote-march/… are– I believe!– VITAL to this current discussion!
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Please!… no emails!
@ Bob, Perhaps you’re right. Stein’s been repeating the “Russian hackers” talking points straight from the Clinton playbook.
We donāt need P-A-R-T-I-E-S!!… W-E N-E-E-D A-N E-N-D T-O P-A-R-T-I-E-S!
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Our municipalities have been doing just fine without P-A-R-T-I-E-S! Parties get in the way of choosing the best/ brightest from across a country… and from across a Legislatureās floor!… in the formation of our Executive Cabinets! What we need is an E-N-D to the āB-R-A-N-D-I-N-Gā of our political apparatus!… A-N-D T-H-E B-E-G-I-N-N-I-N-G O-F A R-A-T-I-O-N-A-L A-P-P-R-O-A-C-H T-O G-O-V-E-R-N-A-N-C-E (at whatever level!)!!
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This has been our problem with ādemocracies (so-called!)ā for centuries! We treat our E-S-S-E-N-T-I-A-L political infrastructure like it was Disney World, or Mcdonalds!… AND WE WONDER WHY WE CANāT TELL FACT, FROM FICTION!
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If we didnāt have P-A-R-T-I-E-S, then Ralph Nader– FOR EXAMPLE!– could have stepped into governance, and saved many more millions of lives than the many he has already saved! But!… because weāve chosen to H-Y-P-E the N-O-N-S-E-N-S-E, weāve lost out on one of the best minds that American politics has ever received!… and the wisdom, that is his āstock-in-tradeā!
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Itās a S-H-A-M-E!… A D-*-M-N S-H-A-M-E!!… that weāve traded away efficiency, effectiveness, and C-A-R-E– and, I dare say, L-O-V-E for humanity!– in our ostracizing the likes of Ralph Nader, for what has amounted to, A S-H-*-T-L-O-A-D O-F H-E-A-R-T-A-C-H-E A-N-D P-A-I-N! And I pray… that someday!… Ralph Nader (and souls like him!) will come to know the only TRUE G-O-D-L-Y PRESIDENT worth knowing!… and serving!
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Please!ā¦ no emails
If you thought the allegations against Trump of Sexual Assaults weren’t shocking enough for you, you might want to have a look at the reporting in URLs, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html… and… http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/306274/trump-court-date-set-jane-doe-child-rape-lawsuit/… and… https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit… and… http://www.inquisitr.com/3597538/donald-trumps-underage-rape-accusations-could-be-the-deathbed-of-his-political-aspirations/… and… http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-claims-court-republican-party-us-presidential-florida-a7360636.html… and… http://www.businessinsider.in/Law-Order-SVU-is-making-an-episode-about-a-Donald-Trump-like-character-and-rape-case/articleshow/54815600.cms… and– if confirmed!– we could very well see the first ever arrest of a WANNA-BE “President elect”, for C-H-I-L-D A-B-U-S-E!!
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Furthermore, we may very well find that the T-R-U-E R-E-A-S-O-N this character became involved in this race at this time, was to H-I-D-E from these allegations of C-H-I-L-D R-A-P-E within the “smoke screen” of a Federal Presidential Election!… and!… I-N T-H-E G-U-I-S-E O-F S-E-R-V-I-N-G H-I-S C-O-U-N-T-R-Y! And… honestly!… I wouldn’t put it past this “huxster” and “hustler” to have P-L-A-Y-E-D the RNC, America, and his alleged RAPE VICTIM (and her family!), in order to escape the “cuffs of justice”!!
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Given the FBI’s James Comey’s declaration that there was, and is nothing further to be pursued re Hillary Clinton’s emails (and… most notably!… involving charges!) the offerings at URL, http://yournewswire.com/nypd-hillary-clinton-child-sex-scandal/, would appear to be the ravings of a S-O-C-I-O-P-S-Y-C-H-O-P-A-T-H, and deserving of I-M-M-E-D-I-A-T-E R-E-D-R-E-S-S by the FBI!… and!… in light of the clear violation of the following…
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FEDERAL STALKING STATUTE (18 U.S.C. Ā§2261A)
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The abovenoted statute makes it a F-E-L-O-N-Y for someone to use any interactive computer service, or electronic communication service or system (the FBI, CIA, NSA, or otherwise!… and e.g., http://yournewswire.com/nypd-hillary-clinton-child-sex-scandal/!) with the intent to kill, injure, HARASS, INTIMIDATE, or place under surveillance (through official and/ or unofficial proxy!) with the intent to kill, injure, HARASS, OR INTIMIDATE another person, and engage in a course of conduct that places a person in reasonable fear of death, or serious bodily injury, OR CAUSES, ATTEMPTS TO CAUSE, OR WOULD REASONABLY BE EXPRECTED TO CAUSE SUBSTANTIAL EMOTIONAL DISTRESS!
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(PLEASE NOTE: IN ANY FAILURE OF THE FBI TO HOLD THE AFORENOTED URL/ BLOGGER TO ACCOUNT, ONE MUST BE H-I-G-H-L-Y D-I-S-T-R-U-S-T-F-U-L– Y-E-A, S-U-S-P-I-C-I-O-U-S!– OF A-N-Y POLICE AGENCY THAT WOULD DIRECTLY AND/ OR INDIRECTLY MARGINALIZE THE THREAT THAT SUCH POSES TO AMERICAN CITIZENS!!… LET ALONE, TO HILLARY CLINTON!! AND!… A FAILURE TO GO AFTER SUCH AS THAT AS AFORENOTED, WOULD– SHOULD!– COMPEL THE QUESTIONS: WHO WAS/ IS BEHIND SUCH A REPORT?… AND!… IS THERE A-N-Y V-E-R-A-C-I-T-Y TO THE REPORT? AND RE THE LATTER QUESTION!… A-N-Y I-N-D-I-C-A-T-I-O-N TOWARD THE A-F-F-I-R-M-A-T-I-V-E, WOULD SUBJECT THE VERY F-B-I TO CROSS-EXAMINATION, RE C-O-M-P-L-I-C-I-T-Y I-N F-E-L-O-N-I-O-U-S C-R-I-M-E-S! THAT IS TO SAY!… AND IN THAT EVENT!… IF THERE IS, INDEED, ANY “U-N-T-R-A-M-M-E-L-E-D A-N-D U-N-T-A-I-N-T-E-D” FEDERAL POLICING AUTHORITY LEFT STANDING IN AMERICA, THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SUCH FELONIOUS CONDUCT, RE THE FBI!!)
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In Romans, Chapter 13: 1-3, Christians– in particular (but, not exclusively!)!– are to be subject to that which is in authority! And!… the PARAMOUNT AUTHORITY within a democratic country (at least!), is a country’s respective National Constitution!… AND, WHICH– INVARIABLY!– CONTAINS RIGHTS, AND FREEDOMS! And so!… for the blogger within this abovenoted URL to resist such!… and in keeping with Romans 13: 1-3!… I-S T-O R-E-S-I-S-T G-O-D-‘-S C-O-M-M-A-N-D, A-N-D A-U-T-H-O-R-I-T-Y!… A-N-D, H-I-S H-O-L-Y S-P-I-R-I-T!!
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Furthermore!… Proverbs 6: 16-19 [NIV] states…
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16) There are six things the Lord hates… seven, that are D-E-T-E-S-T-A-B-L-E to him:…
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17) 1. Haughty eyes,
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2. A lying tongue,
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3. Hands that shed innocent blood,
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18) 4. A heart that devises wicked schemes,
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5. Feet that are quick to rush into evil,
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19) 6. A false witness who pours out lies,
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7. A-N-D A P-E-R-S-O-N W-H-O S-T-I-R-S U-P C-O-N-
F-L-I-C-T I-N T-H-E C-O-M-M-U-N-I-T-Y. [NIV]
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To sum up… now that the matter of Clinton’s emails have been resolved, what we’re now left with, are a series of Internet media reports, which/ that reveal amassed evidence concerning the complicit involvement of Donald Trump, I-N C-H-I-L-D A-B-U-S-E! And the which– and despite the S-E-T court date for December!– should compel an IMMEDIATE INVESTIGATION into these CHILD ABUSE allegations, by way of the FBI!! And!… if need be!… precipitate the A-R-R-E-S-T of Donald Trump!!
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Simply put… if what is alleged of Donald Trump is true, THEN THIS “PRESIDENT TO-BE”, S-H-O-U-L-D N-O-T H-O-L-D O-F-F-I-C-E!! I-N-D-E-E-D!… N-O P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T U-N-D-E-R S-U-C-H A C-L-O-U-D, S-H-O-U-L-D B-E E-N-T-I-T-L-E-D T-O B-E I-N T-H-E W-H-I-T-E H-O-U-S-E! AND TRUMP SHOULD HAVE BEEN– AND SHOULD BE NOW!– C-O-M-P-E-L-L-E-D T-O S-T-E-P D-O-W-N!! Unless… and of course!… the reports that Huffington Post (and MANY others!) have been publicizing, are all lies!… and!… further examples of “NETTROLLICIDE”!!
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Luke 10: 16, states… “Whoever listens to you (a Christian Messenger!) listens to Me (Jesus Christ!); whoever rejects you (a Christian Messenger!) rejects Me (Jesus Christ!); but whoever rejects Me (Jesus Christ!) rejects Him who sent Me (GOD!)! [NIV]
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And Matthew 25: 40, states… “And the King answering, will say to them, “Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these brothers of Mine (E.G., ABUSING A CHILD; FAILING TO ADHERE TO ROMANS 13: 1-3; AND, FAILING TO ADHERE TO A COUNTRY’S GODLY INSPIRED PARAMOUNT LAW, AND LESSER LAWS, IN REGARD TO THE NEEDS OF ONE OF THE LEAST OF THOSE OF CHRIST!), you did it to M-E.” [Berean Literal Bible]
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And, last of all… GALATIANS 6: 7, states… “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked (BUT NOTE AGAIN, LUKE 10: 16!). Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return.” [NIV]
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In addition to what may be true or bogus in a host of reports flying around the Net that Netizens (and American voters!) should have been– but, should be now!– up in arms about, re the once Candidates in this now nigh past U.S. Federal Election, we can add this previously cited “C-R-I-M-I-N-A-L H-I-L-L-A-R-Y T-A-L-E”, to the list (though, I’m inclined to view the reports about Trump, as A-C-C-U-R-A-T-E!)! Freedom of the Press is one thing!… but!… Freedom to create H-A-V-O-C, is quite another!! And it’s this H-A-V-O-C!… this attempted NETTROLLICIDE (if proven to be so!)!… that the FBI should be honing in on!!… A-N-D E-N-D-I-N-G!! That is to say!… in addition, to the N-E-C-E-S-S-A-R-Y I-N-V-E-S-T-I-G-A-T-I-O-N– A-T L-E-A-S-T!– concerning the allegations involving Donald Trump!!
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Please!… no emails!
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P.S.: PLEASE NOTE: PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THE DECEMBER DATE FOR THE PENDING DECISIONMAKING BY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE CONVERGES… FOR SOME STRANGE REASON!… WITH TRUMP’S S-E-T COURT DATE OF DECEMBER 16! AND!… TO BE HONEST!… I DON’T THINK THAT THIS IS C-O-I-N-C-I-D-E-N-T-A-L!! THEREFORE!… PLEASE NOTE BOTH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE’S DECEMBER 19 SCHEDULE OF ACTIVITIES, AND, TRUMP’S DECEMBER 16 SCHEDULE OF ACTIVITIES RE HIS S-E-T COURT DATE! WE WOULDN’T WANT TO FIND… WOULD WE!… THAT WHILE EVERYONE’S GOT THEIR EYES AND EARS PEELED TO THE ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, THAT THE “TRUMP MATTER” HAS BEEN “QUIETLY DISPOSED OF”!… OR!… VISA VERSA!