The Socialist Party USA is holding a national convention in Newark, New Jersey, October 25-26. On October 26, it nominated Howie Hawkins for president. Hawkins is also seeking the Green Party nomination, but he pledged that he will run in November as the Socialist nominee, even if he fails to get the Green Party nomination.
Hawkins defeated Elijah Manley by a ratio of approximately 3:2. Manley is under age 35 and lives in Florida. Hawkins lives in Syracuse, New York.
Who needs the SP since the RED communist Donkeys since 1932 ???
It would probably be better — politically speaking — if all of the different socailist parties came together and backed one candidate.
Like whom, Mike and David? Bernie if he wins the Democrats’ nomination?
Bob, I don’t know for sure, but I think “Mike and David” mean backed one socialist candidate, not whoever the Dems nominate. And, I’m OK with that, as long as it’s restricted to non-Marxist socialists.
That said, Green candidate Howie Hawkins is also eyeing the SPUSA nomination, and some Greens are already bashing him for it.
To be fair, Socratic, those said Greens have found and pointed to Hawkins ‘violating the “Party Affiliation” recognition criterion (set out in the Rules & Procedures of the GPUS) by being a member of another party.’ It’s obviously there to stop a presidential candidate also being a member of the Democrats, but if it’s there, and they’re correct in the phrasing, they do have a point.
I’ve long wished for a socialist coalition in elections. There were six socialist parties that had a candidate for president in 2016, two already for 2020 (I don’t count ‘safe states’ Bread and Roses), and three once the SPUSA candidate is announced. I understand how much divide there is between parties like the SEP and the SWP, or SEP and FSP, or Socialist Action and… all the others, but is six candidates, most who don’t get over 10,000 votes, truly worth it?
Tax rates and CONTROL of the USA economy
Dems mere 99.8 pct
*socialists* mere 99.9 pct
communists 100.0 pct
what giant differences !!!!???
Oh, James, I know that. I also know that there are concerns about party leadership favoritism toward Hawkins. And, at the same time, I know there’s nit-picking behind what looks like an anti-Hawkins coalition.
That said, I also wish the SPUSA would wait until early next year to nominate.
SPUSA’s constitution requires it to nominate a presidential candidate at its convention in the year prior to the presidential election, so waiting was not an option for SPUSA. Hawkins is still the overwhelming favorite to win the GPUS nomination.
It seems like the Greens will have to alter their bylaws to even be able to nominate Howie, that or simply ignore their own rules and do what they want anyway
Marx … got it on the constitution. That said, the party could amend the constitution.
It’s sad that they had only two candidates, Hawkins and the odious Manley.
No other word for it, Elijah. If you read this site, or Independent Political Report, stop the BS.
Voting for the new pure proportional representation (PPR) Electoral College is going on now and all people of all parties (and independents) may join the voting on paper ballot now.
Print paper ballot, mark, sign and mail now:
http://www.allpartysystem.com/e-aps-13.pdf
We’re electing the 538-member now and there’s good news and bad news. The good news is my name is a multi-billion dollar gateway and the bad news is they cemented the two-party system because “Go” is a plurality vote and he (Brin, the Google founder) deleted all the date from 1996 when Harry Browne the Libertarian won.
Go/stop, yes/no, left/right, etc. are plurality votes and the new United Coalition USA had eliminated all plurality votes correctly twenty-five years ago.
Go Ogle The Libertarian One 2020
http://www.1ogle.com
Not “Go” ogle but instead “1” ogle.
Let’s bring the 539-party system to the 538-member Electoral College in 2020.
And, oohhhh, snap!
Flowers notes SPUSA is not an FEC-registered party. We may be in more hair-split territory. https://twitter.com/MFlowers8/status/1185381235926937601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1185541604339257345&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fbrainsandeggs.blogspot.com%2F
The Socialist Party is recognized as a national committee by the FEC. The FEC made that decision in December 1980. The FEC has no mechanism for removing any party’s national committee status. The Natural Law Party is still also recognized as a national committee.
“Bob, I don’t know for sure, but I think “Mike and David” mean backed one socialist candidate, not whoever the Dems nominate. And, I’m OK with that, as long as it’s restricted to non-Marxist socialists”
Yes, that is basically what I meant.
Richard:
Assuming that Hawkins ends up being the Green Party nominee, in states like New York, where Fusion is recognized how will he be listed on the November ballot?
Would this make any difference to ballot access, if Hawkins were the Green nominee as well? Does the Socialist Party have ballot access in any states that the Greens don’t?
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2019/10/howie-hawkins-and-his-campaign-team-answer-questions-from-independent-political-report/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx
new age KM ???
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HOW MANY MILLIONS OF MURDERED HUMAN FOLKS DUE TO KM ???
— IN RUSSIA / USSR, OLDE STALIN BLOC, CHINA, LATE 1970S CAMBODIA, CUBA, ETC., ETC.
—- DEVIL STATIST KILLERS/ENSLAVERS FROM HELL IN ACTION.
TOO MANY USA POLITICAL-HISTORY MORONS TO COUNT.
Richard, I’ll pass your comments back to Margaret and the flame war can heat up!
In New York, except for Governor and legislature, if an unqualified party and a qualified party both nominate the same person, the person is only listed once on the ballot, but both party labels are printed next to his or her name. However I doubt very much that the Socialist Party would do all the work of submitting 15,000 signatures in New York when they know Hawkins (if he is the Green nominee) will be on the ballot automatically.
The Socialist Party is not ballot-qualified in any state.
Socialist Alternative and Solidarity will probably back Hawkins. Both are small trotskyist groups, both backed Ralph Nader and Jill Stein in past elections. Socialist Action and the Freedom Socialist Party might back Gloria La Rive, of the Party of Socialism and Liberation.
Hawkins might challenge LaRiva for the California Peace & Freedom Party nomination. In 2016 the PFP vote in California was the bulk of the vote for LaRiva. Denying her the PFP ballot line will push PSL back to the marginal fringes.
How many $$$ billions from fascist hacks for leftist factions —
to divide and CONQUER the RED Donkey Prez hack in 2020 ???
Worked in 2016 ???
DR, you keep asking this yet fail to produce evidence. While there have been a few scattered examples – in the thousands, not billions – in the vast majority of cases the funding is not from any major donors allied with an opposing major party, but much more modest sums from the smaller parties’ own supporters. Why don’t you try answering your own question and track down some actual answers? Something more than a few isolated anecdotes. Pore over the financing and see what you come up with.
Gene, Socialist Action have their own candidate, Jeff Mackler, so they won’t be supporting Gloria La Riva. The FSP endorsed Socialist Action in 2016, so unless they run their own candidate like they did in 2012, they could do the same this year.
“Worked in 2016 ???”
Only if you believe that not only was Clinton entitled to Stein’s votes but Johnson’s as well, although typically you’d echo the equally ignorant view that Trump was entitled to all or the bulk of Johnson’s votes. Actual surveys of those voters, which you always dismiss, show that most Johnson and Stein voters would have not voted at all rather than vote for Clinton or Trump.
Of the remaining third or so who would have voted for Clinton or Trump, the Johnson vote would have been split about evenly. Voters who expressed support for Johnson early on but abandoned him as the campaign went on tended to vote for Clinton, but those who abandoned him close to or on election day broke more for Trump.
As for Stein, while it’s true that she was to the left of the Democrats, not all voters vote on “left vs right” dynamics. Many Stein voters were Bernie voters who were not happy that he was cheated out of the primary win, and many other disaffected Sanders voters ended up voting for Trump. They felt that Clinton was too elitist, too contemptuous towards those struggling economically. Even though Trump is a privileged individual who has been wealthy all his life and falsely exaggerates his wealth claiming to be a billionaire, he also has a phony populist shtick that many of them bought into. He promise to bring blue collar jobs back, to bring the troops home, and other things they liked.
Not all of these voters bough into Trump’s BS. Some voted for Clinton despite misgivings. Many stayed home. And as noted some voted for Stein. What would they have done if Trump and Clinton were their only choices? Many more would have stayed home; some would have grudgingly voted for Trump, some grudgingly for Clinton. When you take all that together into account, there’s no evidence that Stein voters alone or Stein and Johnson voters together changed the outcome in any state.
So the answer to your multiple question marks is no, it did not work in 2016. Not only because there’s no evidence of the “billions” (or even millions) you allege were spent, but also because the payoff wasn’t there: Stein did not change the outcome. Neither did Johnson. Clinton’s arrogance and condescencion, her obvious contempt for those who can’t afford to be major donors, her lack of regard for fair play in the primaries, and other factors played roles in the outcome being what it was. Stein and Johnson’s actual impact on the Trump/Clinton outcome was virtually a wash, and certainly not enough to make the difference.
Surely worked in 2016.
See FEC, Federal Elections, 2016
Prez marginal states- MI, WI, PA, etc. — Trump minus Clinton votes vs Stein and Johnson votes.
Just more ANTI-Democracy minority rule gerrymander math.
2020 election ain’t yet over.
$ Billions coming to communist left faction candidates – from fascists ???
Time will tell.
More and more folks LYING to MORON pollsters to be SAFE [ NOT just be *politically correct*] ???
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PR and AppV and TOTSOP
https://transition.fec.gov/general/FederalElections2016.shtml
Still waiting for 2018 stats in the USA DARK AGE regime.
Super- atomic physics and computers – but NO combined election stats —
to show the ongoing minority rule gerrymander math in the USA regime.
it’s always fun watching people fight over who Libertarian/Green voters took votes away from the 2 major party candidates and they consistently leave out the Constitution Party votes which in 2016 with being on the fewest states
since 1992 AND not being on the California ballot received its highest vote total!! Apparently, by these people’s opinions the Constitution party voters are irrelevant to the Major candidates.
The Constitution party rubs people the wrong way, mainly its ties to Christian fascism.
Richard, can you provide sourcing for your statement that Hawkins pledged he will run as a Socialist next year even if he doesn’t get the Green Party nomination? Obviously, this is an extremely hot issue in GPUS circles, and your reference is the only place I’ve seen Hawkins make that claim. Thanks!