Libertarian Party Will Use On-Line Process to Choose National Ticket in Late May, Then Hold an In-Person July Convention for Other Business

Posted on by May 9, 2020

On May 9, the Libertarian Party national committee decided to hold an on-line meeting that starts on May 22 to choose its national ticket.  Also, it will hold an in-person convention in Orlando, Florida, July 8-12, for other party business.

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Libertarian Party Will Use On-Line Process to Choose National Ticket in Late May, Then Hold an In-Person July Convention for Other Business — 61 Comments

  1. Finally! We won’t have to wait till July to pick the nominee!

  2. Pretty sure they shot down Sarwark’s ruling (or it may have been Merced’s) that “place” can mean a virtual meeting…. meaning what they passed was out of order. It violates their by-laws and the LNC voted 8 to 4 ( if I remember correctly; it was much earlier in the evening) saying as much. Meaning any nomination in a virtual convention would constitute a by-laws violation. Also the by-laws seem to state they can’t have two conventions within a two year period… it’s pretty unreasonable to conclude that the vote in May is the same convention as the one in July. The Republican and Democratic parties are going to have field days with challenges to this I’m sure.

  3. Also, the by-laws seem to say nothing about the LNC appointing a presidential and vice presidential candidate unless the nominee chosen by the delegates first either was suspended, died or resigned as the nominee. It says nothing permitting appointments when the vacancy occurs because no convention was held. Also if the LNC could appoint when the delegates fail to nominate whether because there was no convention or otherwise that would mean the LNC could override a NOTA vote.

    So in reality all they did tonight was set a convention for July.

  4. It also says:

    “Nominations of candidates for President and Vice-President of the United States may be made only at the Regular Convention immediately preceding a Presidential election.”

    A vote in May wouldn’t be a “Regular Convention”, if they’re having their convention in July.

  5. You can adjourn a meeting to continue at a later date. This “meeting” was actually an example of that, this wasn’t a new meeting but rather a continuation of the same meeting from a week ago that was adjourned until today.

  6. ANY folks appealing to LP Judicial Committee about legalities

    — to PREVENT public hack courts getting involved —

    esp in NOT having LP PREZ/VP candidates on PUBLIC ballots in Nov 2020 ???

    ANY State/DC deadlines involved ???

    LP delegates – risk CV-19 death at any physical convention as with troops fighting in 2001-2020 Afghanistan War ???

    The PRICE of Freedom/Liberty ???

  7. So to put it shorter terms….

    The LNC shot down Sarwark’s ruling that “place” can mean a virtual meeting.

    The by-laws seem to state they can’t have two conventions within a two year period… it’s pretty unreasonable to conclude that the vote in May is the same convention as the one in July.

    The by-laws also state:
    “Nominations of candidates for President and Vice-President of the United States may be made only at the Regular Convention immediately preceding a Presidential election.”

    A vote in May couldn’t reasonably be construed as a “Regular Convention”, if they’re having a convention in July. Also, it cannot be construed as a “Regular Convention” because the LNC themselves struck down “place” to mean a virtual meeting.

    ———————————————————————————-

    I wish this wasn’t the case as I would love to vote LP, but it really seems like the only option is a placeholder candidate for states that need petitions with candidate names, and to have the convention in July. Or sit out 2020, and save the money for 2022 to get back on the ballot. Otherwise I think you’re going to be pissing away ten of thousands or hundreds of thousands fighting off legal challenges from other parties and SoS rulings for 2020.

  8. @Brandon Lyon Meetings are different than conventions… the by-laws even gives specific carve outs for having LNC meetings via electronic mediums; whereas there are no such provisions for the convention. A convention is clearly intended to be different than a meeting.

  9. It would appear to me that the Party of Principle is so principled that a national ticket in 50 states and DC is not possible in 2020. Oh well… it really doesn’t matter Emperor Donald I deserves to be enthroned for life! Good work LP jerkoffs!

  10. Online, eh? So Vermin still has a chance. Free ponies and dental health for everyone. Yeah!!

  12. If the bylaws state that an in person convention has to be held in a specific place, I would argue that earth is a place, and therefore any online conversation is an in person convention, just more spread out and with different technology to be able to hear one another.

  13. How many State courts ready to blast any LP Prez/VP candidates OFF the State ballots ???

  14. They adjourn the convention to the next day all the time, all of the business doesn’t take place on a single day and is therefore adjourned to the next day. This would be no different unless it’s your assertion that each day of the convention is its own separate convention.

  16. What a mess!
    Somehow a fusion ticket needs to be nominated by AT LEAST the GP. BOTH GP and LP nominating the SAME fusion ticket would be ideal.
    Howie is evidently clueless re: PLAS. Can somebody clue him in?
    His vp pick, Angela Walker is CLEARLY NOT a libertarian.
    The delegates should adopt PLAS and compel a fusion ticket. And conduct a PLAS campaign.
    OR, the GP and LP will lose again.
    So, what else is new?
    Wilson 1912 Three way race. 42%
    Clinton 1992. Three way race. 42%
    PLAS 2020? Three way race? 42%?

  18. Delegates can change the agenda once credentialed. If the online delegates vote to move the rest of the agenda to the first sitting they can. If they don’t, the delegates at the second sitting can move to reconsider presidential nomination and nominate a different ticket. As for sarwark he is not seeking another term.

  19. Andrew has a point. You can’t square a vote that online is not a place with having a first sitting online. It doesn’t work.

  20. CQ

    LNC res — Akin to the 1933 Hitler Enabling Act in Germany —

    de facto destruction of the 1919 Germany Const. >>> Hitler tyranny to 8 May 1945.

    Par for the course of clubby LAWLESS TYRANTS

    — matching the public LAWLESS tyrants in shutting down the USA economy and esp election systems using the CV19 excuse.

    ALL 666 stuff.
    —–
    END the EVIL/CORRUPT rule of monarchs/oligarchs — esp in the LP.

    PR
    APPV
    TOTSOP

  21. Part of the very DEAD 2018 LP bylaws —

    Art. 7, Sec. 12. Upon appeal by ten percent of the delegates credentialed at the most recent Regular Convention or one percent of the Party sustaining members the Judicial Committee shall consider the question of whether or not a decision of the National Committee contravenes specified sections of the Bylaws. If the decision is vetoed by the Judicial Committee, it shall be declared null and void.

    END the EVIL/CORRUPT rule of LAWLESS monarchs/oligarchs — esp in the LP.

  23. Demo Rep always complains. If the decision is to have it in person he’d say we want to infect everyone and cause a lot of deaths, and are getting quadrillions of dollars from Democrats. If it’s too have it online we are lawless tyrants.

  26. Demo Rep is Thomas Jones, a troll who hasn’t left the basement in 30 years. Ignore him.

  28. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/10/coronavirus-attacks-body-symptoms/?arc404=true

    How CV-19 kills

    —–
    100.00000000000000 pct certain that CV-19 is / is NOT a RED Chinese BIO-WAR virus ??? —

    esp created via CRISPR

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR

    Bits of HIV, Ebola, MERS, etc etc etc in CV-19 to KILL off Western Civilization ???

    What super-MORON other than the one in the Oval Office in Dumb City trusts ANY thing the 666 top killers in the RED China regime say / write about CV-19 [or anything else] ???

    esp stuff about bats / pangolins / wet markets / Wuhan bio-WAR lab / etc etc etc.

    — such current top killers were the actual killers in the 1989 Tia Sq slaughter.

    How many zillion years of human life on Mother Earth — and only in Oct-Nov 2019 the CV-19 magically appears in Wuhan, China with its BIO-WAR lab ??? — killing ALL age groups — 0 to 100 plus.

  29. While it may seem reasonable to party members to adjourn the convention to a second date nearly 60 days later, I think that the Republican and Democratic parties could show to a judge that it is unreasonable for such an adjournment to be considered the same convention. It’s not whether if it actually is reasonable or not, it’s the fact that there’s enough to justify a case be presented before a court and as such a judge may grant a temporary injunction against ballot access. If that injunction lasts beyond November, well then it’s a de facto removal from the ballot.

    But that is really a secondary issue to the first issue. The LNC already had a vote on the fact that “place” cannot mean a virtual meeting space. Thus the first online meeting of the scheduled convention directly violates their own ruling. So either they violate their own ruling on what a place can mean or they consider the first online meeting to not be part of the convention and then violate the by-law that says President and Vice-President must be nominated at a regular convention. Again, either way they’re opening themselves up to potential legal challenges.

    Having said all that, I’m not a lawyer, so…. who the hell knows. I just think they’re playing with serious fire here. The Adam’s proposal of doing a preferential poll of delegates, having the LNC appoint a nominee (which from my reading also violates the by-laws; but may actually not), and then have the delegates confirm or reject that in July seems like the least worst option. This way they get a nominee through a process that doesn’t violate their “place” ruling, the state affiliates have somebody to petition/get ballot access with, etc.

  30. July delegates confirm may selection. No problem. And it’s the state parties which count for ballot access, not national.

  32. Sorry — NOOO response to one celled juvenile troll mutant MORONS with their ever changing mutant fake names.

    Folks with ANY human brain cells can detect the LP convention mess is due to CV-19 —

    in the China regime of killer/enslaver tyrants.

  33. You’re making no sense. Earlier in the thread you were arguing that a physical convention is needed. Then, that it could be safe. Now, that covid is apocalypse? The one consistent thing is you are very emotional and emphatic but otherwise you are wildly inconsistent.

  34. None of your personal insults are based in fact either. Are you neglecting to take prescribed medication?

  37. And what does that have to do with this? Whether it came from bats in a market or a lab has nothing to do with where or how the L.P. nomination or other convention business gets done.

  38. “And it’s the state parties which count for ballot access, not national.”… not sure where I implied I was talking about ballot access by prior election results? The state affiliates in some states need to have a candidate name on their petitions to even get ballot access. The party is only on 36 states so far for this election cycle; 15 states still need to petition. State affiliates were demanding that the nomination happen now so that way they would have the name for petitioning.

    “July delegates confirm may selection”…. so why not just wait until July, and use a stand-in for the states that need a name for petitioning? States permit candidate substitutions. How else do you think the Repubs and Dems can put their candidates nominated in July and August on the ballot? And what happens if the July delegates reject what happens in May? The media has a field day, and we go the substitution route anyway.

    Quite honestly what is happening is a disgrace.

    Regardless I determined today that I don’t give a shit anymore…. I’m not voting in this election or any future one either.

  39. Some states do NOT allow stand in candidates.

    Also, D and R presidential candidates run in primaries and caucuses, and then go to general elections. Some states do not require them to petition, others have petition requires that have ways to get exempted from them, and most of theur big candidates are able to get these exemptions, and some other states have mandatory petition requirements. The D’s and R’s do notuse any stand in candidates, each candidate has a separate petition to get on the ballot.

  40. 14 states, not 15. Not all of the states which need names allow stand-ins. July is too late in some of those states. Republicans and Democrats don’t have this problem, they don’t have to petition because they qualify under retention. The July part of the convention may or may not be able to happen.

  41. The primary petition season was earlier before coronavirus was much of a problem in the US.

  42. That is false that all of the states where the LP has to petition allow stand ins. Alabama, New Hampshire, and Tennessee do NOT allow stand ins.

    Pennsylvania does allow stand ins.

    It is a moot point in Maryland, since they have a party status petition which does not require names of candidates, and which is actually easier than the independent presidential candidate petition.

    I am pretty sure that Washington, Minnesota, and Maine do not allow stand ins.

    Iowa does allow stand ins. Virginia allows stand ins.

    I am not sure about New Jersey or Rhode Island.

    Illinois allows stand ins, but I know there was a recent lawsuit victory there so I am not sure how relevant that still is for the LP.

  43. LP. Have your nomination AFTER GP.
    Then nominate the GP ticket.
    IF the GP nominates a fusion ticket, then
    it won’t matter.
    PLAS will go on to WIN
    the fn election!
    CLOSE three way race, so don’t get complacent.
    42/29/29.

  48. If the LP wants to be somewhat legal —

    1. Emergency Convention to amend Bylaws.

    2. Regular Convention – with amended Bylaws.

  50. Gary — Beg to differ.

    The CQ text above attempts to suspend/subvert most of the LP Bylaws — using the CV-19 excuse.

    Same subversion of State Consts being done by various statist Guvs, SOS, AGs, mayors, etc.
    —

    Main Bylaws amendments –

    1. 2020 Delegate proxy votes via delegate rank order lists — possible 2 members only need show up in a virtual Regular Convention with a videotape machine.

    2. Future — ABOLISH Conventions — ALL mail ballots by ALL party members [with perhaps 91 days membership and an enforceable blood oath requirement about NOT being a Donkey / Elephant / Green / Putin / etc. spy/agent/troll].

    PR / APPV / TOTSOP
    —
    For clueless – various clubby type national groups have mail ballot elections for electing new officers.

    LP can rent a ***safe*** ballot counter machine — and even do a correct Condorcet election — esp for LNC.

  51. Forget the delegates. Forget the primaries. If the Green Party wants to be RELEVANT it will nominate Milnes-Ardeleanu, the perfect PLAS ticket. What the Libertarian Party does then is meaningless. Why would anyone vote for Justin Amash when the Milnes-Ardeleanu ticket is available?

    If the Green Party gets its HEAD OUT OF ITS ASS it could do something that would GUARANTEE a win. If only the Green Party wasn’t run by a bunch of DUMBASSES, Robert Milnes would be sworn in as President with his running mate/ first lady Sorinne Ardeleanu at his side on January 20, 2021.

  52. I’m a delegate from NC who likes Jacob Hornberger but am open to give support to the final nominee.

    So what are the details to get on the virtual convention?

  53. Pyramid Pile of Penis,
    Very astute comment. Thank you.
    So, someone out there in the gaping void heard me?
    Yes, Sorinne would be a good vp nominee.
    She is listed on politics 1 dot com.

  54. Second best ticket: Darcy Richardson/Jo Jorgensen. Green party, then Libertarian party.
    Terrible Ticket-Howie/anybody.
    Howie is clueless.
    Will somebody please clue in Howie?
    Or the nomination will be frittered away on him.
    Along with the serious possibility of actually WINNING.
    CLOSE three way race. 42/29/29.

  57. Thomas Jones/James Ogle. That’s my ticket! Incoherent spam for all!

  58. If ogle or milnes gets a sex change could they run on a plas ticket together?

  60. This Orlando meeting is very suspicious.
    After I made my suspicions public that I suspected the LP convention in Orlando in 20126 was targeted, then the attack was aborted, then retargeted to the Pulse Club, I would think people would shun Orlando.
    But maybe somebody wants to counter any possible bad publicity for Orlando AND the LP. AND whoever set up a false flag operation. After all, if the LP is willing to conduct ANOTHER convention there, it must be ok and safe.
    Now, who would want to make Islamic terrorists look bad and invite retaliation against them, and Arab Americans?
    Gee. I can’t imagine who would want to do THAT.

  61. Pyramid Pile of Penis,

    Might you consider a paid position in a PLAS campaign?
    I have access to over 5k to loan a PLAS campaign.
    You could start by setting up a campaign site for me with donations button.
    Then file with FEC.
    Sign up as Treasurer and/or Manager.
    I could defer to someone else if another would come along. Darcy?
    Contact Sorinne if you like. Also Jo Jorgensen.

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