On December 19, a Superior Court in Sacramento, California, held oral arguments in King v Bowen, the lawsuit over the identity of the state officers of the American Independent Party. The judge issued a tentative ruling, saying that the case is procedurally defective. Assuming the judge issues the tentative ruling as a final ruling next week, once more the merits of the case will not have been reached. Chances are that a new lawsuit would then be filed.
Who are Bowen & King? Based on a Google search, I can’t find a lawsuit with that name, and Bowen appears to be Debra Bowen, the California SOS, and King appears to be Obama-Biden elector LeRoy King. I can’t find anyone named King or Bowen affiliated with the AIP-and a Democratic elector certainly lacks standing to sue over a power struggle in a minor party, not to mention a reason to sue SOS Bowen, since Obama-Biden won California in a walk.
King is the state chair of the faction of the AIP that is loyal to the national Constitution Party. His name is Jim King. The case number is 34-2008-80000016-CU-WM-GDS.
can they just let the AIP go to the AIP and live with it. besides, the CP has ballot status in enough states to make the minimum 270 electors if they win them.
Thanks for the update.
” Letting the AIP go to the AIP ” is not a option. The AIP has been attacked and temporarily hijacked by a criminal gang of political rapists who filed false documents with the Secretary of State office to achieve their objective. The names of those who conspired and deliberately filed those false papers to deceive the SOS office are – Mark Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, Ed Noonan, Tom Hoefling, and Alan Keyes. This is a criminal conspiracy and they will be stopped by both civil and criminal suits and actions.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party
And in the same venue, the Reform Party of California has been attacked and temporarily high jacked by FORMER state chair John Blare and a criminal gang of political rapists [including Independence Party thug Frank MacKay] whom filed false documents with Mrs Bowen to block the morally, legally, lawful elected, selected, and or chosen state wide slate of officers, their web site, and their recommendations, endorsements and suggestions [Nader]!
Don Lake, Perot/ Perot/ Nader/ Nader/ Nader!
News from the Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party. I was in court today at the
hearing. After Dr. Don Grundmann left the court
room, I ordered copies of the transcript from the
court reporter, because of the fact the attorney
Benson (Attorney for Jim King) failed to follow the
order of court of 17 December 2008 if he wanted to be heard and therefore failed to give attorney Kreep (Attorney for Ed Noonan)the notice by 4:00
PM yesterday.
Therefore the Court in Department 31 affirmed its tenative order.
Bottom line the AIP is now under the leadership
of Markham Robinson as State Chairman with out any
legal problems.
I want to state that Attorney Gary Kreep did a good
job on this case. I am very happy, the good guys
won the lawsuit against.
Next item is to get party records from Ann E. Thomas.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party.
Congratulations to the American Independent Party, and particularly to Markham Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, Ed Noonan, and Gary Kreep!
Solid on abused veterans: Ed Noonan!
Could care less: Jim King of San Bernardino!
Citizens For A Better Veterans Home [1998]
——- Donald Raymond Lake, 619.420.0209
The current “state chairman” (Robinson) is so in tune with the history of the party he claims to lead that earlier this year he called party veteran Jim Griffin (obviously just calling names from a list) and told him that he was going “tell him about the history of the AIP.” He had no inkling that Jim was an original member of the party in 1967, a candidate for Congress in ’74, it’s nominee against Alan Cranston in 1980 (when he received very good media coverage), its nominee for Governor in ’82, its nominee for Lt.Governor in 86 and its Presidential nominee in 1988. Yes, this man was going to tell Jim Griffin all about the history of the American Independent Party, but he had absolutely no clue whatsoever that he was talking to a person who had played an extremely large role in creating that history.
Upon hearing Robinson’s offer to teach him the AIP history, Jim replied (tongue slightly in cheek, of course) “I AM the history of the American Independent Party”, to which Robinson responded with a very snappy comeback…”Huh?” A really credible source to be lecturing folks on the history of the American Independent Party is Markham Robinson!
Knowledge of the efforts of the people who came before in the party means absolutely nothing to people like Seidenberg, Noonan, and Robinson because they just don’t care and are simply attempting to hijack a political vehicle for their own ends. If they were honest they would admit that they actually care nothing about the history or people in the AIP and that they are simply interested in stealing it for their own purposes. At least they could be somewhat respected for being honest about their intentions. They really should not pretend to be interested in its history.
Ironically, neither Noonan or Seidenberg could ever have had the slightest hope to be elected to their positions of State Chairman and Vice-Chairman in 2006–the only thing that gives them any credibility with the court–without being put in office by the very same leaders and activists who are now so completely repelled by them. It was a big mistake that everyone now regrets, but these two should never have the temerity to claim any measurable support within the ranks of the party.
This will be put right. If not eventually by the courts, then by the people of the American Independent Party themselves through the electoral process.
By the way, everywhere that Baldwin and Keyes were both on the ballot or on equal footing of both being write-ins Baldwin trounced Keyes. So much for Keyes advantage of being a “big name.” Maybe it matters to be the more able and credible candidate.
Gary Odem is no correct on what he is stating. First, Ed Noonan won in court, because right was on
his side and he had a good attorney that understood
how a court works in California.
Alan Keyes and Chuck Baldwin was not the issue. The AIP picked the ticket of Alan Keyes and Wiley
S. Drake at its convention on July 5, 2008 in Sacramento. I should know because I had the honor
of being elected the convention chairman. The issue was the Constitution Party was a white elephant. The AIP wanted an effective national party so it joined the America’s Independent Party at the state central committee meeting on June 27,
2008.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party.
The ” bottom line ” is that the following persons are liars and corrupt to the bone – Mark Robinson, Mark Seidenberg, Ed Noonan, Tom Hoefling, and Alan Keyes. Their corruption will be stopped as Gary Odom states. A civil lawsuit will proceed through the courts which will demonstrate without any question or doubt the conspiracy of the above liars to deceive the SOS office and to defraud the AIP. Monetary damages will be paid in addition to the restoration of the party. Additionally appropriate evidence will be submitted to the Attorney General office regarding the deliberate filing of false documents with the SOS office by the above liars in order to accomplish their fraud. It is only a matter of time before they are brought to justice for their crimes. For a variety of reasons their corruption stands at this moment but in the fullness of time they will be exposed and destroyed. They are total and complete liars one and all. Despite the heavy competition they are the most corrupt element in national politics at the moment. They are below the bottom of the barrel.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party
Hoefling all ready admitted to being a liar on another thread so don’t believe anything that he says. If the current so called leadership (illegitimate at that) of the AIP had any character they would have kept there word and placed Baldwin on the ballot. Then after the election move do disaffiliate. The only reason that any state party that was affiliated at the national convention could have to place any one other than the national nominee on the ballot would be if he did support the party platform and principles. That was clearly not the case.
TO Don Grundmann:
The court stated within it’s minute order yesterday
after you left the court room that “Petitioner [James King] has failed to show that a new trial is
warranted…” The case is over with. You have not
been an office of AIP since September 2, 2008, viz., a national committeeman. Stop giving out disinformation of holding a office in the AIP.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
Mark : I must congratulate you for being able to find a judge corrupt or conflicted enough to give you a apparent victory when to any rational person viewing the evidence the verdict would have gone completely opposite. That being said it does not change the facts that 1) you are your gang are still totally corrupt-to-the-bone-and-beyond liars, and 2) I am STILL the Vice-Chairman of the American Independent Party. You have only escaped justice for this moment. You will NOT escape in long run. You and your fellow rats will be stopped. You can count on it.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party
Don, Don, Don, [whom at least understands and supports abused veterans….]:
Sad to say, but like FORMER DEFORM Party Chair, current criminal, snarkie thief, and constant liar John ‘Israel First’ Bambey, and the REAL Reform Party of California has been out smarted and out witted. Your chest thumping is sad and unproductive. The other side [as predicted for both parties by Citizens For A Better Veterans Home, founded in 1998] has AND WILL prevail.
Your wailings do not carry the weight that Debra Bowen’s quiet settling with and siding for Noonan [also decent on abused veterans] and thuggy John Blare. Your threat of ‘justice’ later on had better be with a base ball bat at 3AM, as you [and the REAL Reform Party of California] will be getting no where fast through the channels of the Establishment Douopoly!
Noonan and company has out smarted you at every turn! [Yes, Cody Quick, ‘we told ya so, we told ya so!’] Blare and cabal have out maneuvered Rodney Martin and cohorts at every turn! That is just way it worked out in P2008!
Thx for your promotion of veterans abuse way before ‘Walter Reed’ became a house hold word. As for your ‘beloved’ James King, just down the pike from the worst veterans home [Barstow, in grossly corrupt San Bernardino County] on the planet, he just does not care. He did not in 1998 and he does not in 2008!
Noonan will not be blocked, stopped, or punished in the near or intermediate term. Same with Mister Corruption Blare and his East Coast mirror image, Frank [Write A Check] MacKay! Noonan [whom I tolerate] and Blare [whom —- like Valli Sharpe Geisler, is dodging service for a court date with me and Mrs Firmiss] have carried the day, 2008, and probably a couple of years to come!
Don, Don, Don [Lake, Sandy Ego County]
Warning!
Dr. Don Grundmann holds no office in the American
Independent Party. The last office he held ended
on September 2, 2008.
The judge was not corrupt nor conflicted. I did not find the judge. James King excepted the Judge, through his attorney Robert E. Barnes, Esq.
It was a real victory for the members of the American Independent Party and a victory for our
past chairman Ed Noonan.
TO: Don Grundmann:
I am not in a “gang”. Your are not now nor ever have been the “Vice-Chairman American Independent
Party.” At the Kansas City Convention, not one delegate other than Dr. Don Grundmann was willing
to cast a vote for him. I conducted the tally as the elected head of the California Delegation.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party
” Your are not now nor ever have been the “Vice-Chairman American Independent
Party.†At the Kansas City Convention, not one delegate other than Dr. Don Grundmann was willing
to cast a vote for him. I conducted the tally as the elected head of the California Delegation.”
Response : Is there a day, or even a second, when Mark Seidenberg is not a liar? 1) As our future court victory via civil suit will show I am the elected Vice-Chairman of the AIP; 2) I am STILL a national committee person and Central Committee member for the AIP due to winning the U.S. Senate primary ( a 6 year post ) in 2006; and 3) obviously you could not count in Kansas City. But irregardless I can tell you that your rat Keyes LOST. Get it?? You, as a rat, had your rat Keyes LOSE. At least in Kansas City we stopped your rat. Now and next we will finish you ALL off.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party
P.S. – Your continued denial of my Central Committee status will demonstrate, yet once more in addition to the virtually countless other times, to all what a complete and total liar you are. You are simply incapable of telling the truth.
To Dr. Don Grundmann,
I have never denied that you are a member of the AIP State Central Committee. In fact I know you are, because you were listed in the Credentials Committee Report of the Organizing meeting of the AIP State Central Committee as a member. You were entitled to attend this meeting even, as you attended the Convention on July 5, 2008 the preceeding day, meetings which took place at the Secretary of State’s Auditorium in Sacramento California.
However I must warn not to continue this imposture. You are not currently and officer of any kind of the American Independent Party and have not been since September 2, 2008.
Sincerely Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman of the American Independent Party
Mark : I will continue to carry on my duties as the Vice-Chairman of the AIP. No one will stop me. I will broadcast to all parts of the state the following message – The American Independent Party, the California branch of the national Constitution Party, seeks all citizens to join us in our battle to save the state and our Republic. I urge all citizens to contact me as the party Vice-Chairman in order to coordinate our campaign races for the 2010 election cycle. Our party is currently under attack by a corrupt group of ” officers ” who claim to be leading the party but are in fact utterly corrupt liars and traitors both to the party and our nation as a whole. Hence this fake ” leadership,” comprised of a fake ” Chairman,” Mark Robinson, and a fake ” Vice-Chairman,” Mark Seidenberg, with corrupt and lying associates has betrayed the principles of the party and are actively working to destroy it. They have personally conducted criminal activities in the name of the party and used it as a shield to hide their crimes; such actions aimed to overturn the elective processes of our Republic and which are completely denounced by the legitimate leadership of the party of which I am a representative. I hence call on all patriotic citizens to appropriately shun these criminal usurpers and traitors to the Republic as they join me in the upcoming electoral cycle and its preparation in saving the AIP from its corrupt attackers and moving forward to save our state and nation. You can be assured that the legitimate leadership of the party, comprised of myself and other members, will carry forth the principles upon which the AIP was built and will be true to the vision of its founders. We call upon all patriots to unite in defeating the treasonous attackers of the AIP and in the process using this victory to defeat the additional corruption which is attacking our nation on so many fronts. By faith in God and with His guidance and aid we shall have victory over the multiple forces of corruption and evil which are attacking our state and nation.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party
P.S. – The above is only a tiny fraction of the war which will be coming your way. You can give up now and walk away. Stop your lying and return the party to its true officers, Jim and myself. If you continue in your corruption I will guarantee that ALL of you including Robinson, Noonan, Hoefling, and Keyes will be completely annihilated. Don’t say that I didn’t warn you. I am going to live to see you and all of the evil which you have done crushed and turned into dust. You have expected all of your lies and corruption to go unchallenged or for people to give up in opposing you. That will NEVER happen with me. I will NEVER stop exposing your corruption and criminality. And I will win.
I WAS LEGALLY ELECTED CHAIRMAN OF THE AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY OF CALIFORNIA AT OUR CONVENTION IN LOS ANGELES IN JUNE OF 2008. THE STATE ELECTION CODE AND THE AIP BY LAWS WERE STRICTLY ADHERED TO AT THIS CONVENTION.
AS OF THIS MOMENT THE COURTS HAVE NOT RULED YET ON THE SUBSTANCE OF OUR VIABLE CASE IN THE SUPERIOR COURTS. THE SECRETARY OF STATE WAS SO CONVINCED OF OUR CASE THAT THEY WERE READY WITH THE LEGAL PAPER WORK NECESSARY TO RECOGNIZE ME AS THE PROPERLY ELECTED STATE CHAIRMAN AT THE HEARING HELD IN AUGUST OF 2008 PROVIDED THE COURTS AGREED.
WHATEVER THE PETTY DISPUTES BEING DISPLAYED ON THIS SITE; THESE ARE THE FACTS OF THE MATTER. WE CAN ONLY HOPE AND PRAY THAT OUR LEGAL RIGHTS WILL BE PROTECTED IN THE COURTS AND JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL. I WILL PURSUE THIS JUSTICE NO MATTER THE COURT DECISION AND THE CONTROL OF THIS GREAT PARTY WILL BE RETURNED TO THE VAST MAJORITY OF ACTIVE PARTY MEMBERS IN THE END AS IT SHOULD. EVERY LIVING PAST STATE CHAIRMAN OF OUR PARTY FIRMLY SUPPORTS OUR EFFORT TO RETRIEVE THE CONTROL OF THE THIRD LARGEST PARTY NOT ONLY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA BUT IN THE U.S.A..
THE LAST I CHECKED WE STILL DECIDE THESE MATTERS BY DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY AND NOT BY THE LEANINGS OF A FEW VERY GRUMPY OLD MEN.
ALL THOSE INTERESTED IN DEMOCRACY ARE INVITED TO JOIN US IN THIS EFFORT. WITH GOVERNMENT GROWING IN IT’S SOCIALISTIC EFFORTS; OUR PARTY MAY BE THE LAST HOPE FOR AMERICA TO REMAIN GREAT.
MAY THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB BLESS US WITH A POSITIVE LEGAL DECISION IN THIS VERY ALL IMPORTANT MATTER FOR DEMOCRACY.
T0: Dr. Don Grundmann,
You have no duties as the Vice Chairman, because you are not and never have been the Vice Chairman of the AIP. I was re-elected Vice Chairman by the
AIP State Central Committee at its orginizational
meeting in the Secretary of State Building Auditorium on July 6, 2008. Ed Noonan, the State
Chairman pick the location of that AIP state central Committee meeting, because it was the same
location as the AIP 2008 convention. Don Grundmann
was an attending delegate to the July 5, 2008 AIP
Convention. Don why did you not attended the State
Central Committee meeting in Sacramento on July 6,
2008, since you attended the AIP convention as a
delegate at the July 5, 2008?
Why, do you claim the AIP is a branch of Constitution Party? First, Bill Shearer told me to protect the AIP. He told me about how hard he worked to keep assocated parties from taking over
the AIP.
The AIP has had a new national party connection since June 27, 2008 since the AIP state central
committee vote to join the America’s Independent Party.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party
” Why, do you claim the AIP is a branch of Constitution Party? First, Bill Shearer told me to protect the AIP. He told me about how hard he worked to keep assocated parties from taking over the AIP.”
Response : So Bill told you to protect the AIP? And what have you done? You have totally stabbed him in the back. A complete and total betrayal. Bill was anti-war and anti-UN. You have joined the betrayer/liar Alan Keyes who is totally pro-war and pro-UN. You are the very one who betrayed the AIP. May God damn you for so many things but especially your knife-in-the-back betrayal of Bill Shearer.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party
” Don Grundmann was an attending delegate to the July 5, 2008 AIP Convention. Don why did you not attended the State Central Committee meeting in Sacramento on July 6, 2008, since you attended the AIP convention as a
delegate at the July 5, 2008?”
Response : No, Mark, I did not attend your rat convention as a ” delegate.” I came to confront you and your fellow liars at your fake convention for being the corrupt lying rats that you are. I was a delegate to the real convention in Los Angeles.
” The AIP has had a new national party connection since June 27, 2008 since the AIP state central
committee vote to join the America’s Independent Party.”
Response : This is how you will go to jail. You had your fake ” phone ” meeting with no quorum after deceiving the majority of the committee regarding your ” meeting ” and then basing your fake lying document on this which you submitted to the SOS office to deceive them. A clear open and shut case of fraud. Tell your excuses to the Judge when you are prosecuted and sentenced for your corruption.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party
You people belong in an asylum.
TO: Jim King and Don Grundman,
Is it your current asseveration that you two were
elected in Los Angeles at a State Convention of the
American Independent Party? Are you two aware that
the City of Los Angeles is located in Los Angeles County? Are you two also aware that all convention
of the AIP shall be in Sacramento according to the
Election Code and by-laws of this party.
FYI the convention of the American Independent Party took place on July 5, 2008 in the auditorium
of the California Secretary of State Building located in Sacramento, California. I was the elected Chairman of that convention.
Dr. Don Grundmann attended that convention of July 5, 2008 as a delegate. He even addressed the other delegates to the convention from the floor.
The big winner at the court hearing was Ed Noonan,
he won the case and Jim King lost his second try for a writ. Jim King is a two time losser on trying
to hijack the American Independent Party.
The current State Chairman of the American Independent Party is Mr. Markham Robinson. He was elected on July 6, 2008 by the American Independent
Party State Central Committee at Sacramento, California in the auditurium provided by the California Secretary of State for the organizational meeting of the 2008 AIP State Central Committee.
The bottom line is Jim King failed after two attends in Court to hijack the American Independent
Party.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party
To Don Grundmann:
At your posting # 23 at 6:03 pm, your repeated my question, but you do no reply. I will ask the question again, Why do you claim the AIP is a branch of the Constitution Party?
FYI AIP is associated with, the America’s Independent Party, since June 27, 2008 of Fenton,
Michigan. The AIP State Central Committee approved
the association with the America’s Independent Party as our national party. The American Independent Party has no connection with the Constitution Party.
TO Jim King:
You are not corrected. The Court ruled on Friday,
December 19th, that you will not get a new trial. It is over, Ed Noonan and the American Independent
Party won and you lost for a second time.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party.
” At your posting # 23 at 6:03 pm, your repeated my question, but you do no reply. I will ask the question again, Why do you claim the AIP is a branch of the Constitution Party?
FYI AIP is associated with, the America’s Independent Party, since June 27, 2008 of Fenton,
Michigan. The AIP State Central Committee approved
the association with the America’s Independent Party as our national party.”
Response : I will shortly be contacting the Attorney General office for the prosecution of you and your fellow liars. The AIP Central Committee vote was faked as you well know. May God damn you for your never ending lies. Your prosecution and the civil suit are coming. We will see how well you God-damned liars do in front of a jury.
Don Grundmann Vice-Chairman American Independent Party; California branch of the Constitution Party
TO: Don Grundmann:
At your posting # 29, December 24th, 2008 at 5;56 pm you still have not explained why you claim the
AIP is a branch of the Constitution Party. Just
because you write after your name that the “American Indendent Party, California branch
of the Constitution Party”, does not make it so.
It was the AIP State Central Committee on June 27,
2008 that voted to make the AIP associated with the
America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan.
I am not aware of any “faked” voting by the AIP Central Committee, with the exection of the organizational meeting of Los Angeles County
AIP Central Committee. At that meeting, purported appointments to the L.A. County Central
Committee took place without a quorum, viz., James
King did not show up to the organizational meeting
and therefore, Los Angeles County AIP did not obtain a quorum for that meeting, Therefore, the
State Central Committee needs to act and appoint
members to the Los Angeles County Central Committee.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party.