U.S. House member Bill Posey, a freshman Republican from Florida’s 15th district, has introduced HB 1503. It requires presidential candidates who file with the Federal Election Commission to include a copy of their birth certificate. The 15th district is centered on Florida’s central Atlantic coast, around the city of Melbourne.
The text of the bill is not yet available on the Library of Congress’ web page, http://thomas.loc.gov, but it probably will be by Monday, March 16. UPDATE: here is a copy of the bill, thanks to Ed Still’s VoteLawblog.
In somewhat related news, Orly Taitz, attorney for many of the individuals challenging President Obama’s qualifications, has been able to ask two U.S. Supreme Court Justices about her issue in the last week. On March 9 she was in the audience when Justice Antonin Scalia was speaking, and she asked him about it. He replied simply that it takes 4 justices for the Court to accept a case. On March 13 she was in the audience in Washington state when Chief Justice John Roberts was speaking, and she was able to ask him a question as well. See this story. She asserted that she has proof that Obama is not eligible. The Chief Justice replied that if she has such documents with her, she should hand them to a security officer, who presumably would then have later given them to the Chief Justice. The article does not say if Taitz had any papers with her at the time. Thanks to Bill Van Allen for this news.
The Chief Justice may well be familiar with Orly Taitz.
On January 2, she wrote and posted a cover letter to the Chief Justice to accompany her request to re-file Lightfoot v. Bowen. In the letter, she takes him to task for having participated in an educational project sponsored by the Annenberg Foundation.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9693866/Orlys-Letter-to-Chief-Justice-Roberts
I’m a Canadian who has been losely following this issue for a while… I have some thoughts:
*Why is Barack Obama, who was so candid about things like his cocaine use, so opaque about things like his Birth Certificate, Passport and educational records?
*Why does NOBODY from Honolulu seem to recall his birth? Even the doctor who delivered me (whom I ran into recently) remember me, and other women in the hospital where I was born (long-since closed) recall my mother? Not even an orderly, candystripper, or what have you has come forward. For a mullatto boy born in Hawaii in the early ’60s–who has been EVERYWHERE in the media–this is odd.
*Why are the only people who seem to recall his birth in KENYA?
*Why is the number on his proported COLB redacted and the father’s race given as ‘African’ (NEVER the useage of the era)?
*How did Obama allegedly travel to Pakistan on a U.S. passport, when that was not allowed by Pakistani authorities at the time?
*Why has Obama not been forthcoming about his health? (His odd verbal gaffes, ‘tiredness’, cyanotic lip colouration, prior cocaine use and heavy smoking may indicate that he’s suffering from transient ischemic attacks.)
*How will people deal with the reality that the media-telecom sector, who funded Obama’s campaign to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, can’t be counted on ‘objective’ or ‘critical’ reporting on the Obama administration?
Regards,
Adam
This is from an email from Dr.
Roberts stated “I will read your documents, I will review them. Give them to my Secret Service Agent and I will review them”. His Secret Service Agent approached me and stated “Give me all the documents, I promise you Justice Roberts will get them”. I had a full suitcase of documents. The agent went to look for a box, he found a large box to fit all the documents, he showed me his badge, and introduced himself as Gilbert Shaw, secret Service Agent assigned to the security of
Chief Justice Roberts. I gave him:
1. Motion to reconsideration of Lightfoot v Bowen with all the supplemental briefs.
2. Quo Warranto Easterling et al v Obama et al
3. 3300 pages of names, people that signed WorldNetDaily petition, demanding that the Supreme Court hear Obama elligibility case.
4. Copy of a 164 page dossier and all the other documents sent to Eric Holder, Attorney General, describing suspected criminal activity.
For #3 The email was from Dr. Orly Taitz.
#2 Assuming you are Canadian, your comments are interesting, since the likely next Prime Minister of Canada is someone who has lived almost his entire adult life in the US and the UK. His ties to the country he intends to lead are far looser than Obama who spent 2 years as a child in Indonesia and even if I believed the birthers (I don’t) 3 days as a newborn in Kenya.
Now to answer your other questions:
1. He released the certificate that anyone born in Hawaii gets, and is valid for passports, social security, etc. It has satisfied all 538 members of Congress all 50 Secretaries of State, every judge who has looked at the case and about 70 million voters.
2. There was a story about a month ago about a retired nurse who lives in Buffalo. She was in Hawaii in 1961 and heard the story about the birth from the doctor who delivered Obama. The doctor is dead, so no one can ask him.
3. No one in Kenya recalls his birth. Listen to the actual interview. They are recalling the birth of his father, Barack Obama Senior.
4. Pakistan never barred travel by Americans, nor did the US ban Americans from going there. They discouraged it because of the dangers, something that is still the case today. I personally know American who travelled to Pakistan on US passports around the time Obama did. Perhaps, a risky move, but not forbidden.
5. If you doubt Obama’s health, perhaps you can get into a basketball game with him. He will likely give you a good clinic.
Dr. Taitz’s account seems to differ somewhat from the SeattlePI version.
Dr. Taitz says there is a video available. Does anyone have a link to it?
Chief justice publicly accepts WND’s eligibility petition
Attorney Orly Taitz talks to Roberts, who agrees to read Obama-birth docs
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91763
http://defendourfreedoms.us/
I have a question for GetOverYourselves
GetOverYourselves Says:
March 14th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
#2 Assuming you are Canadian, your comments are interesting, since the likely next Prime Minister of Canada is someone who has lived almost his entire adult life in the US and the UK. His ties to the country he intends to lead are far looser than Obama who spent 2 years as a child in Indonesia and even if I believed the birthers (I don’t) 3 days as a newborn in Kenya.
Now to answer your other questions:
1. He released the certificate that anyone born in Hawaii gets, and is valid for passports, social security, etc. It has satisfied all 538 members of Congress all 50 Secretaries of State, every judge who has looked at the case and about 70 million voters.
In regards to the U.S. Congress “be satified” that Obama was eligible to run for President. I just went to http://www.us.gov and did a search with the following:
obama congress “eligibility to run for president”
Only 1 item came up: Senate Judiciary Committee Reaffirms McCain’s “Natural Born” Status
I tried other versions of “Obama” and “eligibility” and “congress” and could locate nothing in regards to your statement that It has satisfied all 538 members of Congress. Where did you find in the Congressional Record that he had?
I would imagine that s/he is referring to the unanimous approval of the Electoral College vote by both houses of Congress.
I also question why Congress felt it necessary to verify Mr. McCain’s eligibility and not Mr. Obama’s. I also visited http://www.us.gov and did the same search. I could only find Congressional verification before an election on Mr. McCain. I work in an office as a secretary. If my employers asked me to bring in my birth certificate, my marriage license, and proof of insurance to verify my identity, I would. I had to provide all of these to just legally drive in my state.
Don’t you remember? Some members of the anti-Obama crowd were very vocal about it, explaining to members of Congress that their opportunity to express reservations about Obama’s qualifications would be when they were asked to accept the vote of the Electoral College.
There was even one member — John Linder (R, Ga) — who appeared to give hope to a constituent that he would lead the charge.
But, in the end, it was unanimous. No objections were made, on the grounds of citizenship or anything else, and both houses of Congress accepted the election of Obama as President.
Congress violated constitutional provisions by not asking for objections for the Electoral College CErtification vote on January 8, 2009. Chaney was required to call for objection but he never did.
Wasn’t the vote unanimous?
Can anyone find in the Congressional Record if and when Barack Obama’s qualification to run for the presidency was ever addressed as was John McCain’s? Whenever this question of eligibility comes up, the only “verification” that I have seen is “the American people voted for him”. Does winning a popularity contest give a person legal eligibility according to our Constitution?
“GetOverYourselves” gave some false information:
1) If the COLB were the BC, he could have given it to the court when asked. The actual BC, with doctor’s information, is what he fights to keep hidden.
2) The nurse who “recalled” named a doctor who had retired in the late 1950s. False.
3) Kenya eyewitnesses are sketchy, but clearly better than Hawaii witnesses. The big question is why Obama keeps it all hidden.
4) There are conflicting accounts of US travel to Pakistan, and few neutral, authoritative links. But still, why is the only passport we know of for Obama after he joined the Senate? Why hasn’t he just cleared up his passport history?
5) Medical records: Speculating on his health is futile, as his speculating on why he hides his entire set of normal government records. We only know that he is hiding.
You gave some incorrect details, but sidestepped the main question: When asked by taxpayers to establish his credentials, as they must for every other employee, why did Obama hire lawyers to file for dismissal, why did his website attack questioners?
Why does Obama hide and chide, instead of being open and transparent?
The President said he was born in Hawaii and we should believe him. He is a man of high integrity. We, democrats, should ask him to disclose the original verifiable vault-certificate (not the COLB; Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate), showing the place of birth and the hospital. It will cost him $12, and the GOP will shot up.
It is hard to argue against his political enemies who claim he and our party spent nearly $1,000,000 to keep it secret. Even if the actual amount is less, there are now about 40 lawsuits and it is doubtful that all lawyers hired to keep the vault-BC under seal, work on pro-bono basis.
Also, right-wingers say that McCain produced all birth related documentation immediately and voluntarily when he was asked.
Furthermore, they claim that any politician knows how to pick battles. If $12 can stop this battle why spend a million to fight it? I hate to admit that I can not answer these questions.
We can not hope that this fringe of right-wingers are going to quit. In fact they are getting more active, with some lawmakers and military people joining as plaintiffs. Denying the issue just adds fuel to the fire. So I am sending a letter to the President today:
“Please Mr. President pay the $12 for your Vault Birth Certificate and make the opposition shot up. We are supporting you and we don’t need distractions in these hard economic times. “
Fellow Democrats, please, send him a similar request.
With the recent news about Sushil Bansal, Native of India, recently arrested on federal criminal charges and
Yusuf Acar, Native of Turkey, recently arrested on federal criminal charges,
and Vivek Kundra who worked with them but who now is on leave and who allegedly may be tied to President Obama,
and the peculiarity of the charges,
there is more reason than ever
to have
“REASONABLE DOUBT”
about President Obama.
Furthermore,
consider the Y chromosome which is passed directly and exactly and precisely from father to son,
and the fact that President Obama DOES NOT LOOK
like Barack Obama Sr.
who was in need of getting married to secure
another student visa
at the time he met President Obama’s mother,
who may have ALREADY BEEN PREGNANT!
http://crisericson2010.blogspot.com
REASONABLE DOUBT
I certainly have reasonable doubts about each and every attorney who has filed litigation so far, because they all seem to be filing the wrong cause of action with the wrong evidence in the wrong courts;
therefore,
I suspect that at least SOME of them
are working FOR President Obama
and are acting like MAGICIANS
in diverting your attention away
from the real evidence!
THE REAL EVIDENCE
Also, I certainly had doubts about Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. who is allegedly from Russia, allegedly educated in Israel,
and who may have allegedly created a certain
character by the name of
Lt. Scott Easterling,
who may or may not be a “real” person,
but who may be an alternative name for
“John Doe 1 to 100”.
The cast of characters of attorneys
is certainly worthy of a comedy movie!
RE: #17
The real evidence is the original verifiable “Vault-Certificateâ€, not the COLB. Please note that Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate. The Vault Birth Certificate is showing the place of birth and the hospital. It will cost him $12, and all “conspiracy theories†and lawsuits will be immediately stopped. Please ask him to release it.
You personal attack on Dr. Orly Taitz is typical of the radical left, name-calling and sidestepping the real issues. She is a legal US citizen and a licensed attorney.
Where she was born and educated is not the issue. Obviosly she would not be eligible to be President. But that is not what she is seeking. She is defending the US constitution, the Supreme Law of the Land, the most successful political document on earth, of which every American should be proud of.
If you have prejudice against foreign born and Israeli educated attorneys, you must like Berg who was second-in-command Attorney General of the State of Pennsylvania. He filed a similar law suit. He is a natural born American with a high public office in his background.
It is not about a person. It is about the Constitution. Violating it, the US is a lawless nation – not much better than any banana republic.
For a bunch of supposed devotees of the Constitution, some yopu appear not to have even read the damn document. It says only 3 things that are relevant:
1. Natural born citizen-however it does not define the term
2. It delegates the authority to the Congress (specifically the House) to determine whether a President has been properly elected.
3. It designates a time for Congress to make that determination (at the opening of the session after the election)
Nowhere does it metion COLB, BC, passports, college records, medical records or anything else. Most of rhe early Presidents had no birth certificates, no passports and most had never been to college or had anything like a modern medical work-up. So what?
One thing I can guarantee is that the Constitution and the Founders did not envisage endless carrying on by some obsessive-compulsive types, long after the election is over. The issue was raised in the campaign and dismissed. Congress had the opportunity to scrutinize the issue when the Electoral College votes were counted and not a single member wanted to. By the way, the reason Cheney didn’t ask for objections is that the Constitution specifies that such objections must be in writing and signed by at least one member of the House and one member of the Senate. This came up in 2000; one House member did object to the Florida results and Sen Boxer considered signing it, but in the end declined.
There is no provision in the Constitution for a do-over, either of the election or of the counting of the votes by Congress. The court cases are moot because, as the California judge ruled in the Keyes case, this is a matter for Congress, not the courts. Obama is the President and can only be removed by impeachment. And you’d need a lot better evidence than ANYTHING I have seen so far for impeachment, even if the Republican were to take Congress in 2010.
Some of you folks leaving comments fail to realize that most of the people ‘leading’ Barack Obama are Jews. When you make reference to “Judeo-Christian” principles or whatever; keep in mind that it was Alan Greenspan and Orszog, and Summers, and Geithner that got this country in the dire economic situation it is in. Those same people along with George Soros, Alan Dershowitz, Joe Lieberman, and others are the very ones that are behind Obama 100% and had one hell of a lot to do with his victory, and are right now telling him what to do. And lo and behold, take a look at some of the Judges that have ruled against the lawsuits to force Obama to produce proof of his natural born citizenship. How many of them are Jews? Don’t you people see a conspiracy going on here?? vuchuckgilliam@comcast.net
Here, read this: http://www.newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter146.htm
Hey Verlin — Joe Lieberman had a hell of a lot to do with Obama’s victory??
Careful, you’re even an embarrassment to other anti-Semites!
Obama’s published birth record says his father’s race is African???? Since when is African a race?
RE: #19 GetOverYourselves Said:
RE: “Natural born citizen-however it does not define the term. “ Yes, you are partially right, it is not defined explicitly, however, the Supreme Court could define it and most likely it would mean physically born in the USA.
With regard to your points 2 and 3 about Congress: The wording you quoted is not accurate, but let it go. Congress is not above the law. A Constitutional Amendment would be required to amend the Natural Born Clause. Congress can not do it alone. States have to ratify it etc.
If Congress commits an unconstitutional act, it should be remedied in spite of your statement: “There is no provision in the Constitution for a do-over, either of the election or of the counting of the votes by Congress.â€
RE: “By the way, the reason Cheney didn’t ask for objections is that the Constitution specifies that such objections must be in writing and signed by at least one member of the House and one member of the Senate.â€
Cheney had to read the exact words about objection. The Constitution is quite specific about that. Yes, one member of the House and one senator has to sign it before submitting it to, but how would Cheney know that a minute before the critical question is asked an objection was signed or not signed properly. How long does it take to sign a paper? Cheney violated the Constitution and should answer that charge and bear the consequences, regardless if the objection was ready or not.
RE: The the ruling of the California court on the Secretary of State case. The judge as all other judges so far, does not want to be responsible for anything, just passing the buck to the Supreme Court. His ruling basically says that anyone can be elected as President by the California voters. A child can see how that is totally ridiculous. State officials are sworn to hold up both state and federal law.
However, this will be an easy appeal because at least in two cases the State has disqualified candidates based on the US Constitutional requirement (one was age.)
You suggest that removal is only by impeachment possible. But why wait? Just release the Vault Certificate and all the pain and high legal cost will stop. This is dividing the country – release and stop. If he was born in Hawaii all the fringe Republicans will have to shot up.
#24 Congress has not amended the natural born citizen clause, nor did they disregard it. They simply made a ruling (by not objecting) that Obama is one, either by birth in Hawaii (which the only existing documents support or through maternal lineage). What they did is perfectly constitutional and there is no appeal or do over of that ruling. As for ballot cases, they are moot because you can’t remove or add someone to the ballot once the election is over. They can take the matter up again in 2012, but unless they have evidence (so far they have none) they will get no further than they have so far.
This is not dividing the country-it is dividing the vast majority that considers Obama the President (including the large majority of those strongly against his policies) from a small majority that can’t accept plain reality.
And as far as Cheney, if only failing to ask for objections (and you and he know very well there were none) were his worst crime.
so if rumored Russians actully base bombers in Cuba or VZ that should be the straw that breaks the camel’s back and provides SCOTUS the political judicial cover and frankly an excuse to suddenly re-discover the natural born citizen issue. And of course another 20% loss in the stock market will also help the discovery process along and the FBI better already be able to tell us all immediately what the truth is and whether Obama was born in Honolulu or not. case closed, enough already, Obama goes away (on extended banishment vacation) or he is crowned the obvious true natural born citizen — but since his dad was obviously not a US citizen I doubt that SCOTUS will finally allow that to pass muster as being a “natural born citizen”.
So, we are all almost at the top of the hill in this “birther” truth effort. The FBI better be ready to provide the answer to our concerns.
RE: 25. GetOverYourselves
Of course Congress they did not attempt a Constitutional Amendment. I never said that they did. But Constitutional Amendment is the only legal way to have a President who was not born in the USA – as I said – Congress is not above the law.
I guess your premise is that regardless if he is natural born or not. There is no legal way to find out if the Natural Born Clause was upheld or not. Therefore he can legally hold office even if he is not natural born because, the state and federal officials, and Congress failed to do their duty to check eligibility, and that failure is equal to legal approval.
That is analogous to saying that if a person breaks the law, that is OK because he was not caught. And, I am not saying that he broke the law – maybe he was born in Hawaii, simply that he should show his Vault Certificate to show that he did not, instead protecting the secret tooth-and-nail, not to mention spending big money in legal fees.
On the long run this going to hurt the Democratic Party as it is growing like Watergate. There are already 40 lawsuits and military people and lawmakers join in. It will not go away by itself. But, the Vault Certificate can stop it dead. Lets ask him to produce it.
#27 Congress did their job. They made a determination that he was born in Hawaii, based on the fact that his birth certificate states Place of Birth – Honolulu. Documents are legally presumed to be valid barring evidence to the contrary. And the evidence that he was not born in Hawaii is NIL. An interview with an old woman that if you listen to the whole thing is clearly talking about his father Barack Obama, Sr. Nothing under oath, nothing. The fact that YOU don’t like their decision doesn’t make it wrong. In fact Congress made the only decision that reasonable people could make.
The cases will end soon, because the judges are now beginning to sanction the people bringing them and make them pay the defense fees, to which I say AMEN. And the courts lack jurisdiction anyway. That is the plain truth. You can pretend otherwise, if you want, but it is.
High integrity? Ask the “president” to explain his relationships with Raila Odinga (why did he campaign for a Kenyan candidate who acted against the interests of the U.S.?) and Khalid al Mansour among others. Ask him to explain why Malcom X’s lawyer, Percy Sutton, seemed to indicate in a televised interview that Obama’s studies at Harvard may have been paid for by Saudi interests (arranged by the former Panther Khalid al Mansour)? Ask him! I’m dying to hear his explanation because I’ve seen the video and that is Sutton. Or maybe he just “misspoke” as the Obama team claimed during the election.
I am a Democrat who was supporting Obama when most Dems were supporting Hillary, but I got tired of making excuses for him, and I actually turned against him the day I found out that the Democratic Party was helping Obama keep all his records sealed. That did not and does not make sense to me. They are clearly hiding something.
Why is it that Obamatrons don’t even want others to be able to investigate? This insistence that no records be open to the public does not seem natural to me: I think they’re afraid of what they’ll find!
Enough already. Barack Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital for Women and Children in Honolulu, Hawaii, two years after Hawaii became the 50th State. His birth certificate was reviewed and authenticated by local authorities. You can view his birth certificate on line. We all know that his mother was born in Kansas, so there is no doubt that he has good red-blooded American parentage even though his father was from Kenya. I am particularly offended by the Canadian who thinks the information is “opaque.” That’s just bloody ridiculous. Give it up, people. Obama was born in the USA, is legitimately a citizen of the USA, and was overwhelmingly elected as our President, with no boost from the Supreme Court!
Assistant U.S. Attorney Thomas Hibarger is reported in the March 13, 2009 Washington Post as stating:
“Acar also told the informant that he could use computers to create fake D.C. birth certificates.”
Yusuf Acar was charged with bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and conflict of interest.
Do a news search of his name in conjunction with President Obama’s man, Vivek Kundra.
#28 –
GetOverYourselves said:
“Congress did their job. They made a determination that he was born in Hawaii, based on the fact that his birth certificate states Place of Birth – Honolulu. “
They never made such determination.
You said earlier something to the effect, that by not objecting at the joint session they passively sanctioned the eligibility. That would have logic, except, again, Congress can not overrule the Constitution, actively or like in this case passively either. Again, if he is not “natural born†a Constitutional Amendment is required to make him legal.
It may come to that and if that happens we will all dutifully accept it. Again, I, like Orly defending the Constitution. It has nothing to do with like or dislike anyone.
RE: Your assertion “…based on the fact that his birth certificate states Place of Birth – Honoluluâ€.
Please note that Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate. The Vault Birth Certificate is showing the place of birth and the hospital, the COLB does not You must know that becase it seems you are better informed on the facts than most people. Also, most of the lawsuits cite that clause.
On most issues we are just going in circles. I was hoping for an objective discussion based on facts and law, so I stop here.
However, just one more thing, please explain, why is better for the Democratic Party to spend big money in legal costs and fuel speculation by the tooth-and-nail protection of the secret, than releasing the Vault Certificate?
It will cost $12, and all “conspiracy theories†and lawsuits will be immediately stopped. Again, I never said he that he was not born in Hawaii. We don’t know because he is protecting it as a secret of a private person, whereas he is a public figure. In addition to the Constitutional issue, Americans have a moral right to know who their president is.
As to the judges – passing the buck to SCOTUS and making plaintiffs pay for costs, in my opinion, will not stop this movement. It will make law abiding citizens more upset and the Watergate type of slow but sure progression is likely to continue. Water dripping day by day wears the hardest rock away.
McCain released all his records immediately and voluntarily when he was asked. What’s the big deal anyway? Just release it and the debate will stop.
What has happened to “investigative reporting” in the USA? Just recently, after one of Obama’s “talks to America” televised speeches, Shepard Smith of Fox News made a reference to his eligibility and followed that reference with his own remark along the lines of it being “settled”. It isn’t just this particular reporter either, a lot of them give this commentary and none of them have mentioned to my knowledge the many court cases pending on this issue. Are reporters not allowed to mention pending court cases?
#32: You said, “Please note that Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate.” I’m not an expert in Hawaiian law and I doubt that you are either, but suppose that’s the case. They might get a Hawaiian birth certificate, but I bet under Place of Birth, it wouldn’t say Honolulu, it would say wherever the birth occured. The point is that legally his COLB is valid and establ;ishes the place of birth as Honolulu unmless you can PROVE differently. You may not like it, but that’s the plain reality.
As for the Watergate analogy that’s ridiculous. The investigators there did actual investigation and came up with new verifiable facts on practically a daily basis. You birthers haven’t come up with a single FACT, you just endlessly repeat the same arguments on the same web sites. I could take the postings from a year ago and those from today and not find a single piece of new information.
Here is what you would need to get serious people to listen:
1. A witness under oath with a professional translator if not in English swearing to having personally attended the birth of Barack Obama, JR (Not SR) in Kenya.
2. Some record to indicate that his mother entered the US from abroad around the time of the birth.
Otherwise you have nothing to make any serious person doubt the Hawaiian birth certificate. Conjecture and speculation won’t do it, only verifiable facts.
In my opinion McCain was not a natural born citizens either but at least congress issued an official ruling.
@23:
“merry Says:
Obama’s published birth record says his father’s race is African???? Since when is African a race?”
Hawaii allows the parents to self-identify. Obama Sr. thought of himself as an African (Kenya was not an independent country then).
Here’s a Hawaiian BC where the father self-identifies as an “American”:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bryajw/HardestyPhotos/Keala%20Hardesty%20birth%20certificate.jpg
@35: Congress obviously had no concerns about Obama’s eligibility, thus no need for an official ruling.
‘Black African’ is an ‘ethnic’ definition on the UK census – it is quite useful since our African and Caribbean populations form quite distinct groups among our Black community. In the same way it is useful to count the Indian and Pakstani populations seperately as they tend to share nothing beyond their ‘South Asian’ ethnicity.
To: GetOverYourself # 5:
I too read that far out story in the Buffalo Newspaper at the time it came out, viz., that
a teacher remembers talking with a doctor who
knew about the birth of Obama to Stanley Ann.
And was informed of that birth over a dinner at
the Outrigger Canoe Club in Waikiki. One problem with this tall tail was if they did eat a meal at the Outrigger Canoe Club then it would have been
in Diamond Head and not in Waikiki.
Can’t you tell when the paper is giving disinformation.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party
1) Obama’s mother was never in Kenya. There is not one single shred of evidence that she was. NOT ONE. For anyone to believe that a pregnant 18-year-old white girl from Kansas living with her parents in Hawaii, would travel to Kenya without her husband who was never in Kenya in 1961, during the late stages of the Mau Mau uprising, you would have to be a certified nut. Of course she would have had to have had her baby, then traveled back to Hawaii and forged a birth certificate so that he could run for president in 45 years or so. Of course 18-year-olds think like that all the time.
2) Travel was NOT BANNED to Pakistan in 1981. NO. 81-33A
Travel Advisory
Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__
AUGUST 17, 1981
TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN
BEFORE TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN, AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE FOLLO[WING] UPDATED VISA REQUIREMENTS: 30 DAY VISAS ARE AVAILABLE AT PAKISTANI AIRPORTS [FOR] TOURISTS ONLY. AS THESE VISAS ARE RARELY EXTENDED BEYOND THE 30 DAY TIME PER[IOD,] TOURISTS PLANNING TO STAY LONGER SHOULD SECURE VISAS BEFORE COMING TO PAKIS[TAN.] ANY TRAVELER COMING INTO PAKISTAN OVERLAND FROM INDIA MUST REPEAT MUST HA[VE A] VALID VISA, AS 30 DAY VISAS ARE NOT REPEAT NOT ISSUED AT THE OVERLAND BOR[DER] CROSSING POINT AT WAGHA.
ANY NON-OFFICIAL AMERICAN WHO IS IN PAKISTAN FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS MUST REGIS[TER] WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S FOREIGNER REGISTRATION OFFICE. EXIT PERMITS ARE REQUI[RED] FOR THOSE WHO HAVE STAYED LONGER THAN 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LE[AVE T]HE COUNTRY. ALL AMERICANS TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS OR [FOR] PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VISA BEFORE ARRIVAL, AND, AS [THE] GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN’S CLEARANCE PROCESS IS OFTEN QUITE LENGTHY, WE WOULD URGE TH[OSE] COMING TO APPLY AT THE NEAREST PAKISTANI EMBASSY OR CONSULATE AS FAR IN ADVA[NCE] OF THEIR SCHEDULED ARRIVAL AS POSSIBLE.
THIS SUPERSEDED REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN DEPARTMENT PUBLICATION M-264, [“VISA] REQUIREMENTS OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.[“]
EXPIRATION DATE: INDEFINITE.
3) The state of Hawaii has not issued a vault or long-form certificate in almost 30 years. All the vault certificates you will see were issued in 1978 or before. The short-form is actually an abbreviated laser copy of the original. If he had been born out of the country, it would list the city of birth as Toronto, or Paris. The copy provided by the state lists Obama’s place of birth as Honolulu on the island of Oahu. NOBODY can get a copy of the vault certificate. The state does not issue it any longer. How hard is that to understand?
4) On November 3, the Chicago Tribune’s Swamp reported that Ms. Okubo (Health Department Spokeswoman, per the Press Release) confirmed in both e-mail and telephone interviews that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII:
“Seeking to squelch persistent rumors that Sen. Barack Obama isn’t eligible to become president because he allegedly was born outside the United States, a Hawaiian official has confirmed she has “personally seen and verified” that the state “has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate” – meaning Obama was born in the Aloha state, and is therefore an American citizen.
[Quote from Official News Release, already quoted above.]
Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?
“YES,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”
Those of you who actually believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii, you really need to get a life.