1. natural born = AT BIRTH allegiance to a regime — WHERE EVER the kid is born — on land, on or under water, in the air or even in outer space.

   See Blackstone’s Commentaries – Subjects chapter.

   See the 1866 debates in the U.S.A. Senate about the first sentence of 14th Amdt, Sec. 1 — *AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof*

   — noting also the TOTAL male dominance in 1866-1868. Sorry any females on this list.

   Sorry — folks with FOREIGN nation-state parents are NOT natural born U.S.A. citizens — stateless pirates (now aka *terrorists*), war time invaders, illegal immigrants (technically peace time enemy invaders), legal foreign tourists and foreign govt officials, ship wrecked folks, etc.

   Much too difficult for the armies of New Age MORON lawyers to understand.

   Of course — such MORONS have the standard place- of- birth fixation in their MORON brains.

2. — just call Obama a “tourist” until proven otherwise.

3. Thanks for standing up for what is right.

4. sorry misspelled my own name on email address

5. Just a Reminder – Before he was nominated AKA Obama Signed Resolution Describing Him As Ineligible:

   http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/12/just-reminder-before-he-was-nominated.html

   Who Certified AKA Obama as “Natural Born”?

   http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/11/this-from-obama-file-one-of-best.html

   In 1961, the Public Health Services, U. S Department of Health, Education and Welfare, National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Division published the “Vital Statistics of the United States

   Here is a blank copy of the Standard Certificate of Live Birth. This is the information being hidden by Obama:

   http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/blank-birth-certificate-form-aka-obama.html

   Plus read the article that is included with the blank copy.

6. Obama is keeping the best available evidence secret. That is established fact, not theory. Let’s just add suppression of evidence to the other charges of election fraud, campaign finance violations and filing fraudulent documents in all 50 states.

   No matter what you might think there is no escaping that AKA Obama is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure.

   In 1961, the Public Health Services, U. S Department of Health, Education and Welfare, National Center for Health Statistics, National Vital Statistics Division published the “Vital Statistics of the United States

   Here is a blank copy of the Standard Certificate of Live Birth. This is the information being hidden by Obama.

   http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/07/blank-birth-certificate-form-aka-obama.html

   Plus read the article that is included with the blank copy.

   If you are not suspicious of a man who hides his history I have a bridge in the desert I want to sell you.

   If you are unwilling to call for an investigation of a man who attempts to sell you a bridge in the desert I have some beach front property in Florida at the intersection of I75 and Florida # 29 that I want you to buy.

   If you place a down payment on a contract for the bridge in the desert and the beach front property in the swamp I would conclude that you voted for Obama

   Do you really think AKA Obama would have won the election if all the things he is hiding were made known?

   Do you really think AKA Obama will be able to finish his first term if all the things he is hiding are made known?

   The only conspiracy is the media and the obots who suppress the revelation of AKA Obama’s history

   Obama “I have nothing to hide but I’m hiding it.”
   http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

7. Richard – this post diminishes the others which share space with it, and you know it.

8. IMHO Baronscarpia, this story does not diminish the rest because it is not an opinion piece, but rather it’s an accurate news piece. While I think that Richard has made it clear that he thinks little of the “birther” group, it’s not irresponsible to report when a member of congress does something stupid, even if that member is a “birther”.

   As I understand it, and I could well be wrong, the fact that Obama’s mother was a US citizen when Obama was born settles the issue, regardless of where on the planet he was born.

9. — so by your analysis you seem to suggest that if osama bin ladin conceives with a us citizen mother whrever and she delivers wherever (US or a cave in Pakistan), the child can 35 years latter become POTUS/CINC????

   Osama bin Laden
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   Usāmah bin Muḥammad bin `Awaḍ bin Lādin
   (Arabic: أسامة بن محمد بن عوض بن لادن‎)
   Born March 10, 1957 (1957-03-10) (age 52)

   Osama bin Laden on an al-Qaeda propaganda poster captured by US forces
   Place of birth Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
   Battles/wars Soviet war in Afghanistan
   War on Terrorism
   Wikinews has related news: Decade worth of messages, interviews from bin Laden leaked to web
   Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden (with numerous variations; Arabic: أسامة بن محمد بن عوض بن لادن‎, Usāmah bin Muḥammad bin ʾAwaḍ bin Lādin; born March 10, 1957) is a member of the prominent Saudi bin Laden family and the founding leader of the terrorist organization al-Qaeda, best known for the September 11 attacks on the United States and numerous other mass-casualty attacks against civilian targets. Bin Laden is on the American Federal Bureau of Investigation’s list of FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives.[1]

   Since 2001, Osama bin Laden and his organization have been major targets of the United States’ War on Terrorism. Bin Laden and fellow Al-Qaeda leaders are believed to be hiding near the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas.

10. Lets not restrict the birther movement to just supplying a valid birth certificate. There are other disturbing pieces of Obamas past that are riddled with holes.
    A few examples…..No record available on his university thesis, application for admission, courses taken, and grades received.
    Did he fill out applications for tuition assistance?
    This would be a telling document. Does it show country of birth or citizenship?
    What about seeing the documents concerning his name change from Barry S. to B. Obama? Has anyone looked at that?
    Then of course his travels to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981? Passport??? What did he do there?
    In my opinion the birther movement should be an umbrella organization representing full disclosure of Obamas past activities, documents, and ideology, not restricted to one document.

11. I am surprised to read that the presidential candidates are not required to show an official birth certificate up front. I am required as a parent, to show one, in order to register my child for public school. If I can’t get my child into public school without one, then surely the President can show one, too.

12. Albert Einstein did much of his work in physics by conducting “thought experiments”.

    Here is a political thought experiment designed to refute the naive thought that I have seen repeated so many times; “the fact that Obama’s mother was a US citizen when Obama was born settles the issue, regardless of where on the planet he was born”

    Suppose that in 1975 Osama bin Laden married his first wife, an American girl who was only 17 years old. A male child was born to Osama bin Laden that same year. By the year 2012 this male child was old enough to be President of the United States and since his mother was an American he legally was able to be on the ballot and in 2012 the son of Osama bin Laden was elected as President.

    Or is that just plain wrong?

13. 8 –

    I didn’t say the post was irresponsible. I said it shares space with worthwhile posts regarding elections, ballot qualification, thirds party rights to equal free speech. Since this “issue” is about one faction throwing crap – any crap – against the wall and hoping it will stick and thereby become a political impairment to someone else who does not share their political views, it diminishes the other posts. If it’s a valid matter to air in this space, why stop here? What about citing articles dealing with any politician who’s caught in some personal indiscretion? After all, any one of them – pick any one of the two dozen or so in the last two years – tangentially has to do with the politician’s worthiness for office and his/her ability to continue to hold it. So, therefore, do they have to do with “elections” in the same way that the many other posts do on this site?

    Please. It’s crap, and everyone spouting off about this ridiculous “long form birth certificate” sham knows it. It doesn’t belong in this space. There are thousands of other websites where it gets the airing it’s due, along with alien landings in Iowa cornfields…IMHO.

14. The reason I cover the presidential qualifications matter is that it all leads back to the ridiculous electoral college system. If the voters chose a presidential candidate directly, presidential candidates would qualify for the ballot just like candidates for other office qualify. Candidates for office other than president invariably must sign a declaration of candidacy, which generally includes a statement under penalty of perjury that the signer meets the constitutional qualifications. There are generally procedures for challenging a declaration that is believed to have false information.

    But under the electoral college system, presidential candidates in the general election really aren’t candidates. Neither John McCain nor Barack Obama had to sign any piece of paper to run in November because, technically, they weren’t running. Candidates for presidential elector were running.

    No one would devise the electoral college system, as it operates today, if one were starting fresh and trying to plan a rational system. The American voters don’t have the constitutional right to choose the president, but generally they think they do. So the presidential qualifications controversy is one way to remind people of the depressing truth about how we choose presidents.

15. So — how many candidates for (or members of) the gerrymander Congress have ever been ruled by the gerrymander Congress to NOT be eligible to hold the office in question ???

    H. Reps — Art. I, Sec. 2, para. 2
    Senate — Art. I, Sec. 3, para. 3 —

    noting the *Citizen of the United States* requirement in each para.

    See *qualifications* in Art. I, Sec. 5, para. 1 — put there for history reasons in England — the EVIL monarchy and his/her puppet courts tried to control who got elected to the English House of Commons — one more cause of the chaos in England in the 1600s — with the victory of the Parliament in 1689 — QUITE familiar to the 1776-1789 folks in the U.S.A.

    NO mention in the Constitution of having the gerrymander Congress rule on the *qualifications* to be a Prez

    — i.e. one more job for the Art. III courts — i.e. the party hack Supremes — See Bush v. Gore in 2000.

    Same stuff for members of the various gerrymander State legislatures.

    What ever happened to the modern versions of Quo Warranto [by what warrant do you hold a public office] ??? (now allegedly just one more form of civil action)

16. #8 Under the law in effect at the time of his birth, citizenship could be derived from one citizen parent if that parent had lived in the USA for a total of five years after the age of 14. Since his mother was 18, this was impossible.

    There is a separate provision in case the mother is unmarried, and Barack Hussein Obama may still have been married to another woman at the time of the birth of his son.

17. #12 Where was this child born? Whether the child was male or female is irrelevant. Did the child live for 14 years in the USA?

18. The media is just now beginning to look at this issue. They are woefully ignorant. There are many twists, turns, and traps in this story.

    I have been researching this story for over a year. In the beginning I fell into several of the traps myself.

    I honestly believe that I now know as much as anyone about what is true on this issue and what is not.

    If you have not done so please look at the latest version of my collected research. It is over 6000 words so grab a snack and a drink.

    Somehow, you know its coming. That OMG moment is just around the corner. You can feel the inescapable reality creeping up on you. Something will leak. Someone will spill the beans.

    “For nothing is hid that shall not be made manifest, nor anything secret that shall not be known and come to light.” Luke 8:17

    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

    A MSWord version of the report is available upon request.

19. #14 In Texas, independent presidential candidates file on their own behalf, with the application merely including signed consent by the Vice Presidential designate and associated presidential electors.

    There is really no reason that the same system could not be applied to all presidential candidates. If qualification was on the basis of a party nomination, the filing would simply include consent by a party official.

    A particular advantage of a Top 2 system is that it leads to a consistency of filing among all candidates.

20. #15 In 1849, James Shields was disqualified on the basis of his length of citizenship after he had been elected to the US Senate from Illinois.

    Prior to his election to the US Senate he had been elected to the Illinois legislature, as well as state auditor and supreme court judge; and served the federal government as Commissioner of the General Land Office, governor of Oregon Territory, and Major General (brevetted) in the Mexican War.

    After his disqualification, he was immediately re-elected to the US Senate where he served 6 years, and was later separately elected US Senator from Minnesota and Missouri.

    The Congress is responsible for counting the electoral votes, in which role they would determine the validity of any electoral votes for a person who was not qualified. Congress also has the power to impeach and remove a President from office.

21. 14 – Richard – The connection between the birthers’ ridiculous caterwauling and the rationality of the electoral college scheme for electing the president is not even tenuous. All your post did is amplify a shameless campaign tactic by a Republican politician.

    On the other hand it flushed out Professor Riley as a run of the mill Republican tool and exposed him as a fraudulent academic. So I suppose it had some merit.

22. # 20

    12th Amdt part —

    *** the President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the [Electoral College] votes shall then be counted ; — The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; [if NOT a majority, then more machinations by the party hack Reps in the States].

    ——-

    20th Amdt, Sec. 3 —- If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
    ———–

    Counting votes is NOT the same as determining the qualifications of an apparent winner.

    i.e. the various canvass boards in the States do NOT determine the qualifications of ANY winners for Federal / State / Local offices by just counting the votes.

    ZERO about the party hacks in the Congress being able to determine the qualifications of a Prez.

    One more job for the courts — i.e. the party hack appointed Supremes.

    The Congress party hacks ONLY have judicial power in judging their own election results / qualifications, in the impeachment process [for British history reasons] and recently in judging the mental / physical status of a Prez — 25th Amdt, Sec. 4

    — NOTHING ELSE — to have some sort of separation of powers — one of the very few things to reduce the chances of having 24/7 tyranny — as is the case in many foreign nation-state regimes (or barbarian gang regimes — see Somalia).

    Of course, on this list there are just enough LAWLESS folks who do NOT give a damn about the Constitution and its history — and who love the latest and greatest left / right Prez – mini-god — whoever he or she is — with his / her left / right extremist agenda.

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