According to this news story, the New York Assembly Democratic caucus considered whether to take a caucus position in support of the National Popular Vote Plan, and declined to do so. This makes it less likely that the plan will pass the New York legislature in the next few months.
A survey of 800 New York voters conducted on December 22-23, 2008 showed 79% overall support for a national popular vote for President.
By gender, support was 89% among women and 69% among men.
By age, support was 60% among 18-29 year olds, 74% among 30-45 year olds, 85% among 46-65 year olds, and 82% for those older than 65.
Support was 86% among Democrats, 66% among Republicans, 78% among Independence Party members (representing 8% of respondents), 50% among Conservative Party members (representing 3% of respondents), 100% among Working Families Party members (representing 2% of respondents), and 7% among Others (representing 7% of respondents).
http://nationalpopularvote.com/pages/polls.php#NY_2008DEC
NO uniform definition of an Elector-Voter in the EVIL NPV SCHEME.
Matters not to the NPV EVIL schemers.
How many ILLEGAL immigrant folks in NY (CA, TX, FL, etc.) who would love to vote for a Prez/VP ???
TOTAL EVIL.
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Const. Amdt.
Uniform definition of Elector in ALL of the U.S.A.
P.R. and App.V.
National Popular Vote is a terrible idea that will undermine the foundations of liberty in the US. It ranks alongside “top-two” as one of the worst ideas ever put forth by “reformers” who either lack the logical reasoning ability to see how much damage these ideas will do in the long term, or they want to destroy liberty in the US and realize that these are effective tools to do exactly that.
We must retain the Electoral College system, although we should be pushing the reform to move all states toward the Maine/Nebraska system of choosing electors and we should increase the size of the US House of Representatives and the size of the EC.
#3 — Has holding popular vote elections in your state for governor been a mistake for liberty?
As to the congressional district system, it s simply a non-starter because it’s fraught with partisan bias. Meanwhile, the current system means two-thirds of states, including nearly every small population state, is absolutely ignored in general elections — how that helps the cause of liberty is a mystery.
Our framers would have wanted states to use the power they gave them to address these problems.
Rob Richie, Some of the voting systems you support are good. Some of them are not. This is one. I know the history of the Electoral College and its start in Maryland (which is where the founders got it from).
It used to be that the electoral college votes were apportioned by Congressional District. What happened is that the States began combining them. This had the effect of attracting those running for President to their states. So all states followed suit.
If we increased the number of reps in the US House, this would make the Electoral College representative of the popular vote. It would also allow more 3rd party members to get the seats with smaller districts!
I think the popular vote plan is a bad idea. Think of the pressure the popular vote would put on citizens who regularly don’t vote to participate in a process the have no taste for. I don’t want that.
# 3 EVIL current E.C. math —
Half the votes in half the gerrymander areas = about 25 percent mnority rule.
In reality about 28 percent of the total voters in about 30 Donkey or Elephant areas de facto have been indirectly electing party hack Prezs since 1868.
example – rank the 2008 Obama Votes / E.C. votes — low to high
Accumulate E.C. votes to get the magic 270 – majority of 435 + 100 + 3 DC = 538.
Popular votes will be about 28 percent of all popular votes.
#3…with the NPV the Electoral College doesn’t go away. States choose there method of apportioning electoral votes as they see fit.
What galls me the most about this is that the Democrats in the New York State Assembly, about 95 out of 150 members, debated this issue privately. There were Republican co-sponsors and still nobody can say if or when any public debate will be conducted on this issue.
I’m not a supporter of the National Popular Vote movement (because it doesn’t lead to direct popular vote for the President) but this “business as usual” crap in my state of New York is annoying.
# 9 What election related stuff is NOT done behind closed doors in underground bunkers by the EVIL party hacks in ALL governments — acting in conspiracy mode ???