On February 27, a Superior Court in North Carolina ruled that a trial is needed to determine if the new law, requiring voters at the polls to show government photo-ID, violates the State Constitution. See this story. The case is Currie v North Carolina, 13cv-1419, Orange County. The state government had tried to get the case dismissed without a trial.
What are any disputed FACTS requiring a trial ???
Racial disparities (percentage of each group that doesn’t have a photo ID), I guess. Also facts about how difficult or easy it is to get the right kind of ID.
In many states, those of us who don’t drive would have to get a state sponsored ID just to vote, unless we had one of those Federal National ID Cards. I would think just having a voter registration card would suffice for ID in those states.
Obviously it takes SOME time and effort to do almost ANY thing — with SOME expenses in doing almost all stuff.
Getting out of bed
Doing stuff
Getting back into bed.
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I.E. lots of so-called trials in election law cases are a total waste of time –
The various acts or omissions in election law cases are basically all facial —
esp. an election law on its face is constitutional or un-constitutional.
Most robot hack bureaucrats enforce the facial law [no matter how un-constitutional] — until stopped by a genius court.
Here I finally find myself agreeing with you, Demo Rep. I don’t care what some claim about fraudulent voting being a minimal problem, one vote cast by fraud is one vote too many!
DR spouts off over and over an over again about “EVIL gerrymandering,” the objective of which is to systematically render thousands of votes meaningless.
Photo ID is defended on the premise that “one vote cast by fraud is one vote to many,” and yet it is a thinly disguised, systematic effort to disenfranchise thousands of voters to the (current, anyway) benefit of one party. Do the math…how many state legislatures with Republican majorities have attempted to pass voter ID laws, and how many Democratic-controlled legislatures have done so? And continue the math – how many instances ballots cast fraudulently have been proved to have occurred? The percentages of total votes cast are AMAZINGLY minuscule.
And…the fact that these efforts are also promoted by preying on resentment and fear of “illegals” makes them even more odious.
If we’re really concerned about the purity of our democratic process, we ought to focus on preventing the KNOWN efforts which have occurred in the past to PREVENT people from voting in the tens of thousands.
Want an example? Ohio – 2004. THAT’S how REAL electoral fraud is managed.
And finally…ask yourself this question that I’ve asked DR several times – why would an undocumented alien risk deportation just to cast a single, almost meaningless ballot? How stupid do you think these people are? How much would someone pay them to cast one vote? Five bucks?
The idea is patently preposterous. Don’t fall for it, AI. You’re smarter than that.
IF a LEGAL Elector has his/her vote stolen/rigged the courts are still open — to sue the folks involved for damages and even getting a NEW election.
See esp.
Gray v. Sanders, 372 U.S. 368 (1963)
just before the screwed up gerrymander cases in 1964.
How many REALLY STUPID constitutional LAW folks are on this list– with their nonstop flippant junior high school ignorant comments ???
ALL gerrymander incumbents [i.e. the OLIGARCHS] are now the very deadly Enemies of the People.
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P.R. and nonpartisan App.V.
— regardless of the Oligarchs and the flippant folks.
Being a LEGAL Elector-Voter in any State has been a matter of NATiONAL SECURITY since Apr 1917 — World War I —
USA major intervention in world affairs —
— regardless of ALL of the LAWLESS EVIL MORONS who love havin ILLEGAL Electors and their EVIL ILLEGAL votes.
Same NATIONAL SECURITY stuff in stopping ballot box stuffing, vote changing, etc. — ALL MAJOR MAJOR felonies.
Gee – how many USA const amdts regarding being an Elector-Voter since 14th Amdt, Sec. 2 ???
Do some Homework ???
Dear Demo Rep,
I two requests.
First: You’re obviously passionate about this matter, and have given it a lot of thought and study. So edify the rest of us, please. Give us some reason to believe that an illegal alien would choose to vote in one of our elections and, in doing so, risk identification and deportation of himself and his family. Why would he (or she) do that? Take us a little deeper into the mind of an illegal voter.
Second: Cite any study performed by a governmental unit or agency that would support the claim that illegal aliens have voted in any election in any number that would exceed three tenths of one percent of the total votes cast.
Nothing from A.L.E.C. though, OK?
And if you provide this information, along with the type of comport you use, I’ll return the favor by telling you how you can disable your caps lock key. It’s obviously malfunctioning and must be perfectly maddening for you to deal with.
The laws against murder do not stop murders from going on and on and on.
The tyrant usual suspects trying to get POWER will try and bribe marginal folks if such suspects get desperate.
See the math in Bush v. Gore in 2000.
See the infamous 1948 US Senate election of the late EVIL L.B. Johnson (just enough ballot box stuffing to get J elected)
— later Prez in 1963-1969 – with his Vietnam War machinations — causing mass death and destruction in SE Asia.
How obsolete are voter registration records all the time ???
esp. alleged votes by DEAD folks — sometimes detected long after the final election results.
Thus – one of the reasons for photo-ID stuff
— BUT now more and more voters are voting absentee.
Oregon (and more places) – ALL paper mail ballots.
My local area has had all sorts of fraud stuff in old folks homes – the FELONS vote the ballots and get the senile folks to sign the absentee ballots.
Thus – Elections now are WAR actions — requiring ALL sorts of NATiONAL SECURITy stuff.
Old – loose lips sink ships.
NOW – Loose ballots = LOST Democracy.
Nonresponsive…again.