Eleven Hawaii State Senators have introduced SB 119, which says that a presidential elector who votes for someone in the electoral college who did not get the most popular votes in Hawaii would be deemed to have resigned. The remaining electors would choose a replacement.
The Hawaii Senate only has 25 members, so this bill seems somewhat likely to pass the Senate, if it has eleven sponsors.
In December 2016, a Hawaii Democratic presidential elector voted in the electoral college for Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary Clinton.
The bill says if the presidential candidate who carried Hawaii has died or become “mentally disabled”, then electors are free to vote for someone else. The bill does not explain who would decide if the presidential or vice-presidential candidate is now mentally disabled.
How many incumbent gerrymander HACKS are *mentally disabled* ???
THE 2016 ROTTED USA PREZ MATH – MARGINAL AREAS – 10/11
T-C VPSTV = TRUMP-CLINTON VOTES AS PCT OF STATE TOTAL VOTES
ST T C VT VC ECV T-C VPSTV
NC 15 – 15 – 15 T 3.7
AZ 11 – 11 – 11 T 3.5
FL 29 – 29 – 29 T 1.2
WI 10 – 10 – 10 T 0.8
—————– 269 ECV FOR TRUMP + 1 MECD2 = 270
PA 20 – 20 – 20 T 0.7
MI 16 – 16 – 16 T 0.2
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NH – 4 – 4 4 C -0.4
MN – 10 – 10 10 C -1.5
NV – 6 – 6 6 C -2.4
ME 1 3 1 3 4 C -3.0
USA 304* 227** 306 232 538 C -2.1
IE – FAITHLESS MORONS
2 Trump, 5 Clinton
DATA – FEC, FEDERAL ELECTIONS, 2016
ONE MORE ALMOST 12 AMDT CRISIS ELECTION
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PR AND APPV
Can anyone comment as to when and where the Electors vote? Does Congress contact the Electors and get their votes?
Also, in 2016 since the Rs won, when, where and why were the Ds even contacted for their vote? Since the winner had been determined by the Elector College, then why did the Ds even vote? Are the Gs, Ls and others permitted to vote like the Ds?
As I understand, each state likely send the completed form with the Electors’ signatures to Congress. So does Congress ask the Electors to vote again?
For example in California, with the winner-takes-all EC, there are the 55 signatures on the Trump Elector list. I figured once Congress receives the list from California, that the list is the 55 votes for Trump. So why do they need to contact the Ds on the Clinton list and get their votes?
JO-
The USA Const and laws are on the internet.
This list AIN’T for total amateurs.
A wiki for most stuff — edited by *experts*.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
Answer my question please, we are trying to bring reverse identity politics.
The theme of “reverse identity politics” is to find individuals, from both political parties and independents, who are not like you and who are proven, trustworthy team players/coalition partners.
That way, by demonstrating the teamwork, we attact more people who are not like us.
Under the PPR Electoral College as we understand the math, we’ll need to attract exactly 33.33% (plus one vote) for each of the two seats under the US Contstitution. We can only do this in the PPR Elector College where Electors vote first for President and then for VP, and under PPR it’s always 33.33% (plus one vote), using the ranked choice voting.
BTW it’s also like limited voting since everyone’s vote helps elect only one of the two names, but 66.66% (plus two votes) are guaranteed to count.
Then we use that as a springboard in the message to US voters to again attract 33.33%, plus enough beyond 33.33% to assure we win.
Against two other factions, likely the Ds and Rs, we only know that we need slightly more than 33.33% to win in the two-party system.
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/index.html
another wiki type item.
EC – one time bomb election after another
1860 timebomb went off — about 0.75-1.00 million dead on both sides in 1861-1866.
@joogle,
The US Constitution specifies that each State “appoint” its electors. It also permits Congress to set the time of appointment, and the date that the electors meet.
Since the mid-19th century, all states have used popular election to determine who is appointed. The appointment is deemed to occur on election day, even though it might not be ascertained who had been appointed.
Before government-printed ballots, voters would write-in the names of their electors. In California, you would have had to write the names of 55 candidates. Or you could take a ballot printed by a political party which had the names of their nominees printed on it. You could edit that ballot, if you didn’t think some of the electors were worthy. The political parties would pick loyal members to be electors. In 1876, you would have been told that the Republican electors favored Rutherford Hayes, while the Democrat electors favored Sam Tilden.
After the adoption of the Australian ballot, the situation was not changed much. The political parties would tell the names of electors to the SOS, so that they would be printed on the ballot. In 1904, you could have vored for electors who supported Teddy Roosevelt, Alton Parker, Eugene V. Debs, or Silas Watson. You could still choose some from each list, though few did so. Voters were given the option of selecting all the electors associated with a presidential candidate. Later the elector names were removed, and it is now impossible to vote for individual electors.
But along the way, political parties have lost control over their electors, or they are chosen before the national convention. In Hawaii, David Mulinix, only joined the Democratic Party to support Bernie Sanders. His loyalty was to Sanders rather than the Democratic Party. Hawaii, was among the last states to vote, and Mulinix at the last moment decided to vote for Bernie Sanders.
If Hawaii wants electors to be faithful to the presidential candidate, they should let that presidential candidate choose the elector candidates. Alternatively, they should have electors run as individuals, and let those candidates declare their allegiance.
After the winner of the popular vote is ascertained the governor of a state sends an official document to the National Archives stating which electors were appointed. The certificate of ascertainment for Hawaii does not mention Trump, Clinton, Stein, Johnson, or Castle; but instead states the votes cast for the party and therefore each elector candidate.
The electors were also informed of their appointment. The electors in each state meet on a date set by Congress (19 December 2016). Most electors meet at the state capitol, bit it is not required that they even meet in the capital city. Each elector then votes for a President and Vice President. The totals are then tabulated and a Certificate of Vote is prepared. Six official certificates are prepared and signed by the electors. One is sent to the President of the Senate, and other 5 are backups, in case that one is lost in the mail.
The newly elected Congress meets in joint session in January (2017), and counts the electoral vote. A member of Congress may object to a state’s votes. In past elections, representatives have objected to a vote that they deem to be irregular, but the two houses have always voted to accept the result. In 2016, some Democrats were so intent on attacking Trump, that they objected to electoral votes for Trump, and ignored votes that they previously would have objected to.
JD, I appreciate the response, the contrasts between Hawaii and California, Hawaii elects the Electors and California is simply a petition. I had signed as a Ron Paul Elector at least one cycle, on a petition distributed by Gail Lightfoot.
Again, thanks, I want to do more for tbe One Party too, I’m case anyone can join our Electoral College, use the free sign up form on my site.