Florida initiatives need 766,200 valid signatures to obtain a place on the November 2020 ballot. Before the petition starts to circulate, the backers submit a copy of their proposal. Two initiatives for a top-two system have submitted their proposal to the Secretary of State. One applies to congress and one to state and local partisan office. This post has been updated; the original post said the petition was further along than it is. Thanks to Jim Riley for the correction.
The initiative is backed by several wealthy individuals, including attorney Eugene Stearns, and businessmen Carlos de la Cruz and Mike Fernandez. Initiatives need 60% of the popular vote in order to pass. If the measure gets on the ballot in 2020 and gets at least 60% of the vote, it would take effect in 2024. Thanks to Steve Kamp for this news.
60 pct = 40 pct + 1 vote minority rule veto —
more subversion of RFG in USA Const 4-4.
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top 2 = near 25 pct minority rule
= 1/2 votes x 1/2 rigged gerrymander districts
more subversion of RFG in USA Const 4-4.
Which rotted State has the highest odds for TOTAL race WAR
— Euro whites v Hisp whites v blacks
— CA, FL, TX, etc. ???
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Abolish the USA Senate.
Divide larger pop States.
PR and AppV.
I think that they are less further along. The sponsors first file with the SOS, who approves the petition form, but not content, and assigns a serial number. No such initiatives appear in the SOS database. There is a SCOFLA review after 10% is reached.
Florida restricts the initiative process to constitutional revision. That is likely the reason for the 60% approval threshold. It is a little more than silly that such a threshold would violate the Republican Form of Government clause of the US Constitution.
There are apparently a pair of initiatives. One would apply to federal offices, and one to state and legislative offices. This was also done for the redistricting initiatives. It may have something to do with the structure of the Constitution.
SB 556 would also establish a Universal Primary.
RFG = MAJORITY RULE = DEMOCRACY regimes in ALL States.
Sorry – NO 1787 type monarchy/oligarchy regimes allowed as States in the *United* States of America.
Much too difficult for the SCOTUS HACK MORONS to understand —
and lots of other folks apparently.
@DR,
I do not believe that any person other than yourself interpret the Republican Form of Government clause as you do.
See the famous Vices item by Madison — listing the various FATAL defects in the 1777 Articles of Confederation. Lack of a RFG guarantee near the top.
READ the 1787-1788 Federalist about 100 times – look for RFG mentions — and/or just *republican* mentions.
NO rotted minority rule monarchy/oligarchy regime allowed to be a State of the UNION.
Europe ROT for centuries before 1787 — monarch/oligarch regimes subverting/destroying Democracy regimes.
New Order of the Ages = see back of one dollar bills.
Quite evil enough that the 1787 free States joined with the EVIL slave States
— mainly to NOT have the EVIL rotted Brits get military bases in such slave States.
Slave States peaked about 1830 — invention of railroads, telegraph and cheap iron allowed the Free States to destroy the slave oligarchs in 1861-1865 the very hard way — circa 500,000 Union DEAD.
NOW — ANTI-Democracy high tech gerrymander oligarchs in all regimes — TOTAL danger.
Killer monarch types in White House esp. since 1917 — with total contempt for legislative bodies — SUPER-danger.
What so-called *national emergency* will be FATAL and kill off the USA Const ??? — with its many defects.
Too many political history M-O-R-O-N-S in the USA to count.
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https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-09-02-0187
Vices — no. 6
Madison — giant among political antheads.
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PR came a bit late — 1820s-1840s
To be fair, besides for presidential elections, I don’t see all that many third-parties on the ballot there anyway. Sure, the rare one runs, bur Florida already seems extremely unfriendly to third-parties. Not that it makes the disgrace of top-two any more acceptable, of course.
Doesn’t Governor usually have third parties?
The only reason there are so few minor party candidates in Florida is the extremely high filing fees. Over $10,000 for Congress. The second highest filing fees, Georgia, are only half of the Florida fees.
Some years there are many minor party candidates in Florida for legislature, especially 2002, when Libertarians were on the ballot for 73 of the 120 State House seats. In years that end in “2”, the petition in lieu of the filing fee is much easier than it is in other years.
@DR,
Do you know anyone that believes that Congress acting in its role of guarantor of a republican form of government should abolish the Florida government, and place the area under direct presidential rule?
Sorry — direct presidential rule = monarchy — which even New Age political MORONS can detect ???
However — Congress can and should pass a law requiring PR in ALL States — both majority rule and minority representation.
PM = TM x PV/TV
Difficult ONLY for math morons who failed 3rd grade fractions and Algebra 101.
Would END ALL the moronic State/Local gerrymander cases in SCOTUS since 1964 — mere 55 years and counting.
This is really bad news. Top Two Primary MUST be stopped.
@DR,
Do you know whether James Madison proposed such a law when he was in Congress?
Do not know about any Madison RFG bill.
PR came a a bit late – in 1820s-1840s —
long after gerrymander HACKS were totally entrenched in all States
— one direct cause of Civil WAR I in 1861-1865.
Madison passed in 1836 – just after the USA tariff crisis in 1828-1833 and after the Brit 1833 Great [Election] Reform Act —
wiping out centuries of *rotten* [very small] boroughs for electing Brit Parliament members.
The W-A-R for REAL Democracy via PR continues.
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PR and AppV