Lincoln Chafee Interview with Rhode Island Newspaper Suggests he Will Seek the Libertarian Presidential Nomination

Posted on by September 12, 2019

The Cranston Herald, a daily newspaper in Rhode Island, has this interview with former Rhode Island Governor Lincoln Chafee. Chafee seems to say he will seek the Libertarian Party presidential nomination.

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Lincoln Chafee Interview with Rhode Island Newspaper Suggests he Will Seek the Libertarian Presidential Nomination — 86 Comments

  2. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am so sick and tired of Libertarian Lites and fake “Libertarians” seeking to be on the LP’s presidential nomination.

    I am ALREADY sick of Lincoln Chafee. If he wins the LP presidential nomination, this would mark the 4th presidential election in a row where I, as an LP member since 1996, won’t suppory the party’s presidential ticket (I supported the party’s presidential tickets with great enthusiasm in 1996, 2000, and 2004), and if the LP puts another Libertarian Lite or fake “Libertarian” on its ticket, like Lincoln Chafee (and I have no doubt he is another fake), then I may quit the Libertarian Party, because if these are the kind of people who the LP puts at the top of its ticket, it tells me that the party is not serious about principles, and is in a lot of ways acting in a manner that is counterproductive to the cause of liberty.

    I would much rather have Adam Kokesh or Arvin Vohara as the LP’s presidential candidate than this Lincoln Chafee charlaton.

    It is time for the LP to have people whom are actually libertarian Libertarians on its presidential tickets again. No more LINOs (Libertarians In Name Only).

  3. Andy… and forever keep the party irrelevant. Anarchists, while I agree with them, aren’t electable. So in other words what you’re saying is you’d rather be so principled in the ideology that the LP always gets less than 1% of the vote, so they NEVER have any influence in legislation, and never actually have a chance of moving the country in the direction you actually want. Really fucking brilliant.

    You’d rather hold on to your principles and “go down with the ship” instead of plugging holes to stay afloat and while we wait for a life boat. (I guess your more concerned with saying I was right instead of actually trying to do something meaningful) People like you are why I left the LP. I’m an anarchist at my core but I’m also a realist and actually understand human behavior, which seems to be lost on most in the LP.

  6. Most/All of the minor parties are about their LEGIS Platforms.

    RED Donkeys / BLUE Elephants have ALL been about their CULT PREZ TYRANT hacks since 1932.

  7. I hope that whomever gets the Libertarian Party nomination in 2020 uses their campaign to call attention to threats to personal autonomy. I really don’t like living in a world where my picture is always being taken, where your government issued ID comes with facial recognition scanning, where you basically can’t function without computers tracking your every move…. I think these are major issues in the 21st century.

  8. Howie, Hey, let’s form the Luddite Party. I’m already Urban Amish. Can’t figure out 90% of the features on my phone, car stereo, nor reset digital clocks.

  9. Jeff Becker – You don’t have to be a Luddite to oppose government mass surveillance. You just have to read the news coming out of Xinjiang, China.

  11. Brandon said: “Chaffee will be having an indepth conversation with Larry Sharpe next Monday. You can even call in and ask them questions: https://www.facebook.com/events/1050988145292087/ ”

    Larry Sharpe seems like a good guy, and a good libertarian, but it should be clearly apparent how this is going to play out. Chafee is going to claim that he’s always had some libertarian views, and that he’s moving in a more libertarian direction, and that he’s the guy who can take the Libertarian Party to the next level because he’s got the experience as a former elected Governor and Senator. The Libertarian Party Shiny Badge Caucus will go gaga over Chafee, and they will say that anyone who opposes Chafee is an extremist who is not serious about getting the Libertarian Party ahead. If Chafee wins the nomination, it will be another underwhelming, uninspiring campaign, and the campaigns vote totals will have to do with what happens with Trump and whoever the Democrats nominate, and whoever else is in the race, and it will lead to no real long term growth for the Libertarian Party, and the party will once again looks like it is not serious about its stated principles for having nominated Lincoln Chafee be on top of its ticket.

    We’ve seen this story before, in the last three presidential elections. How about changing the channel, and nominating an actual libertarian Libertarian, as well as somebody who has been a libertarian Libertarian for a long time, instead of nominating another Johnny Come Lately LINO (Libertarian In Name Only)?

  12. Andrew, I disagree with your assertion that advocating that the Libertarian Party should run actual libertarian Libertarians, rather than LINOs (Libertarians in Name Only), as in people like say Bill Weld, or Lincoln Chafee, means that one does not want to advance the cause of the Libertarian Party, and of the libertarian movement. Running candidates who are as unprincipled as Bill Weld and Lincoln Chafee sets the party, and the movement back.

    Also, although I agree with the anarcho-capitalist/voluntarist philosophy, I am not opposed to the Libertarian Party running minarchists, so long as running on a reasonably strong minarchist platform, as in so long as they call for big cuts in government, and point people in the right direction. 2004 LP presidential candidate, Michael Badnarik, was not an anarchist, but he was a strong minarchist, and I enthusiastically supported his campaign.

    Ron Paul ran on a strong minarchist libertarian platform while running for President in the Republican primaries. Ron Paul’s campaigns in the Republican primaries were more libertarian than the last three Libertarian Party presidential campaigns, and Ron Paul also did more to spread the libertarian philosophy, and build the libertarian movement, than anybody. Interestingly, since retiring from running for political office, Ron Paul has “come out of the closet” as being an anarcho-capitalist, as I suspected that he was all along.

    So I disagree that running a candidate who is not really a libertarian, like Lincoln Chafee, does anything to advance the cause of liberty. It is counterproductive to the cause of liberty if anything.

  13. “me” I was mistaken. I had hooed that Lincoln Chaffee would not run for the Libertarian party Presidential nomination. Now that he is I do not support him. I am not going to the 2020 Convention, but if I were I would not vote for Lincoln Chaffee or anyone else who had not been active in the Libertarian party for several years.

  16. It was obvious he joined the party just to run for President. I called it back then. Robert Stock, you still haven’t apologized to me.

    Chafee is a big government guy. It’s even in the interview if you read it close enough. He just wants to run for President and will use the party for ballot access. Scary thing is, too many members aren’t libertarian either and may be stupid enough to give it to him. It all depends on how many people Chafee can con.

    Which party will he use in 2024 to run- Constitution? Green? Prohibition?

  19. “Me” I thought I did apologize. So that there is no ambiguity, I am sorry “me” that I said Lincoln Chaffee would not run for the Libertarian Presidential nomination. I was wrong about that.

    Kiss me, I’m a fake Libertarian.

  21. I’m not backing Chafee. I’m going in skeptical and he probably won’t win me over. But I will listen/talk to anyone. I just think this is a great opportunity to really put him on the spot to answer questions.

  22. A clash of titans! Lincoln Chafee vs. Justin Amash!! Who will win the prize of 50 state ballot access? Stay tuned! Oh, by the way, vote Liber-something!

  23. I’m not sure that the Libertarian Party has been influential in shaping legislation. But I do think that they are benefitting from developments in technology which seem to effect our lives in such a way that facilities the implementation of libertarian principles. I just really, really hope that someone steps up to defend personal autonomy in the 21st century. I think we’re in a crisis.

  26. 2016-
    51 States + DC
    TM = Trump Majority
    TP = Trump Plurality [due to LP]
    CM = Clinton Majority
    CP = Clinton Plurality [due to Greens]
    solve for the 4 amounts

    How many UNEQUAL State laws trying to blast the LP and Greens OFF the Nov 2020 Prez/VP ballots ???

  27. Would Libertarian get more ideological candidates for national office if they held primaries instead of conventions to select delegates? It seems to work for the Democrats and Republicans.

  28. me said: “Scary thing is, too many members aren’t libertarian either and may be stupid enough to give it to him. It all depends on how many people Chafee can con.”

    It also depends upon how many delegates the Chafee campaign, and the usual suspects in the LP, as in the people who supported the nomination of the party’s last 3 presidential tickets, can flood into the convention. I know at the 2016 convention that there were people who were brought in just to vote for Johnson/Weld, and that these people did not give a rat’s behind about the Libertarian Party or the libertarian philosophy. Some of these people joined the party shortly before the convention, and I even heard that some joined at the convention.

    A big part of who wins at conventions is which delegates show up, and delegate stacking is part of the game.

  30. Casual Bystander, I personally am not interested in guns. Gun ownership seems like an expensive hoppy that I don’t want to get involved with. And, I’m not really crazy about the thought of large portions of the population carrying around weapons in public spaces and also places like box stores. That said, I don’t feel any animosity towards gun owners. I think the second amendment should be preserved. It’s kind of a necessary evil to me.

    What I care about it the situation we have where all of our activities are continually being tracked by powerful entities, both governmental and corporate, who want to manipulate us. I think if we can work on legislation to limit this from happening gun owners would benefit along with everyone else.

  31. Brandon said: “Comparing Gary Johnson to Bob Barr is like comparing apples and bigoted oranges. The two were ideologically far apart from one another”

    I don’t think that they were as far apart as you are making them out to be. Both of them supported the Fair Tax, for instance.

  32. Howie Hawkins for President said, “That said, I don’t feel any animosity towards gun owners. I think the second amendment should be preserved. It’s kind of a necessary evil to me.”

    I’m glad to read this.

  34. HHfP- I am also pleased to read that you are NOT a super anti-gun individual. I personally do not like guns either but I believe the 2nd Amendment helps the citizenry protect the remainder of the US Constitution from everyone including “all enemies foreign and domestic”. I totally agree with you that government spying is out of control and is a huge issue. Thanks for posting!

  35. 2nd Amdt due to —

    1. 19 Apr 1775 — Brit army units try to seize colony Mass arms at Concord, Mass.

    ALARM church bells ringing all night 18-19 April 1775 via 3 alarm riders from Boston

    All day fight – dawn to dusk — Battles of Lexington and Concord

    2. Multiple just in time Militia units AND armed volunteers showing up in various 1775-1784 battles in Am Rev War

    esp BLC above, Saratoga, NY north and King’s Mountain and Cowpens south

    3. 1787 Const Language 1-8 would have permitted having NO Militia —

    Complaints of State Ratifying Conventions and State legislatures
    —-

    Militia has constitutional STATUS – like trial by jury – 1-8. 2 Amdt, 5 Amdt

    Major time of danger — ALL USA citizens may be put into Militia – age zero to 120 plus.

    How many of the 12 Sep 2019 RED Donkey debate folks are wannabee TYRANTS — loving to disarm the population — so they can be enslaved ???

  37. WZ –

    At least self-defense against LAWLESS TYRANTS – domestic and foreign.

    SCOTUS has been standard brain dead stupid/ignorant about 2 Amdt and 19 Apr 1775

    — due to MORON lawyers doing 2 Amdt cases for many decades.

    See also book –

    Sources of our Liberties ed by Richard L. Perry (ABA, 1959) —
    just before communist SCOTUS hacks went stupid NUTS in 1960s.

  38. According to the OnTheIssues Nolan Chart:

    Gary Johnson: 80% Libertarian (160 / 200)
    80 Social
    80 Economic

    Ron Paul: 75% Libertarian(150 / 200)
    70 Social
    80 Economic

    Rand Paul: 75% Libertarian(150 / 200)
    60 Social
    90 Economic

    Harry Browne: 75% Libertarian (150 / 200)
    60 Social
    90 Economic

    Michael Badnarik: 75% Libertarian (150 / 200)
    60 Social
    90 Economic

    Bill Weld: 70% Libertarian (140 / 200)
    80 Social
    60 Economic

    Justin Amash: 65% Libertarian (130 / 200)
    50 Social
    80 Economic

    Bob Barr: 55% Libertarian (110 / 200)
    40 Social
    70 Economic

    Lincoln Chafee: 55% Libertarian (110 / 200)
    80 Social
    30 Economic

    Howie Hawkins: 50% Libertarian (100 / 200)
    100 Social
    0 Economic

  39. Donald Trump: 50% Libertarian (100 / 200)
    20 Social
    80 Economic

    Hillary Clinton: 45% Libertarian (90 / 200)
    80 Social
    10 Economic

  40. Jim, those ratings are absurd. Gary Johnson is not more libertarian than Ron Paul or Harry Browne. I do not even consider Johnson to be a libertarian at all.

  41. Andy. If one votes Libertarian. Is registered to vote Libertarian in States that register by party. Gives money or volunteers for Libertarian candidates. Is a dues paying member of the Libertarian party. Then nothing else is needed to be a Libertarian whether you agree with that or not. Fuck philosophy.

  42. Robert K. Stack said, “Fuck philosophy.”

    Ladies and gentlemen, remember the quote above, because it tells you all you need to know about Robert K. Stack.

  43. Gary Johnson is also not more libertarian than Michael Badnarik. That is laughable to say he’s more libertarian than Badnaik.

    Johnson is also less libertarian than Justin Amash.

  44. Should read Robert K. Stock above.

    Robert K. Stock’s campaign theme could be, “Fuck philosophy,” if he ever decides to run for something.

  45. Andy – As I recall, ISideWith also had Ron Paul and Gary Johnson just a few percentage points apart, but I don’t remember which one was closer to “north” on their chart. And in 2012 the ACLU listed Johnson as the best candidate on civil liberties, with Ron Paul in 3rd, behind Obama. The ACLU rated Johnson higher than Paul on abortion, racial profiling, gay marriage, and immigration while Paul was rated higher on ending the surveillance state and indefinite detention.

    I didn’t look closely at it, but I am sure OnTheIssues had legitimate reasons to ding Ron Paul. I did notice opposing free trade agreements on the economic side and on the social side for being pro-life.

    But feel free to provide your own, objective rating system.

  46. Jim, I have seen different rating system before, and some of them are very lame, and I would say innaccrate, and I would say that this is clearly the case with any rating system that would say that Gary Johnson is more libertarian than Harry Browne, Ron Paul, Michael Badnarik, or even Justin Amash. Saying that Johnson is more libertarian than they are (or were in the case of Browne) is laughably absurd.

    Also, I weight issues, and I put the greatest weight on gun rights, taxes, the Federal Reserve/fiat currency, and jury nullification of victimless crimes.

  47. “Free trade” agreements like NAFTA and GATT and the TPP are not legitimate free trade agreements. Ron Paul took the correct libertarian position by opposing them.

    As for abortion, a good argument can be made that abortion is murder, and therefore violates the Non-Aggression Principle. Dr. Paul should not be “dinged” for this either.

  48. I assume that the statements and votes were recorded correctly. If that is the case, the only way they could be distorted would be to omit rating important areas. I don’t know of any reason to believe they omitted anything relevant.

    So, yes the way to get Justin Amash as more libertarian than Gary Johnson would have to be by weighting some things more than others. Which is fine, but that is a personal value system and you should recognize it as personal and not as a disqualifier of libertarianism for everyone else. Johnson may not be YOUR kind of libertarian, but he is still a libertarian.

  49. If Lincoln Chaffee does nothing except get Andy and other Alex Jones/Hans Hoppe/Lew Rockwell/Stefan Molyneux types out of and as far as possible from the LP, I will consider his campaign a success. Andy’s standards of who and what is and isn’t libertarian are completely absurd and ass backwards. Gary Johnson is far more libertarian than Ron Paul. I tend to agree with Jim Peron of the Moorefield Story Institute on that, and on Ron Paul being more of a conservative than a libertarian.

    In 2020 we are likely to see multiple crossover candidates seeking the LP nomination – Chaffee, perhaps Amash, perhaps Sanford, perhaps even one or two crossovers from the Democrats. It’s quite plausible that the party will again end up with a couple of former governors on its ticket. Weld will probably be back after an aborted run at the Republican primaries. Chaffee is an interesting departure from the last three LP presidential tickets because he most recently ran as a Democrat and because he has also served in office as an independent. I think his politics are a lot closer to classical liberalism and libertarianism than those of Amash, and certainly better than the extremism of Vohra and Kokesh and their sympathies for the violent extremist alt right, pedophilia, woman-hating, etc.

    Perhaps the LP could replicate its 1980 strategy of running a very wealthy and generous VP candidate who could enable someone like Weld or Chaffee to be well funded enough to get enough coverage to actually make the main debate stage with Trump and the Democratic nominee. At the very least we can hope that the damage caused by the 1983 coup by the dark forces of the Rothbard extremists who have dragged the party and movement down ever since, and have since tainted it by association with racism, bigotry and Trumpist fascism, will be finally and decisively pushed out of the party and movement once and for all.

    It will also be interesting to see Howie Hawkins take the Green Party to new heights. I share his concerns about the ubiquity of surveillance.

    2020 should certainly be an interesting year indeed. Hopefully it will end up with Trump not just defeated but thoroughly shamed, and soon afterwards prosecuted, convicted, and imprisoned for his many crimes along with his whole crime family. Unfortunately, that is most likely to result in yet another worthless Democrat elected to office, but hopefully the Libertarians and Greens will make historically large showings which will send a major message to the winners that a large and growing portion of the public demands an end to crony corporatism, a drawback of the military-industrial complex and a restoration of civil liberties and that the numbers who are willing to buck the false and constrained choices offered by Democrats and Republicans will only grow if those issues continue to be thoroughly ignored by the duopoly.

  50. ““Free trade” agreements like NAFTA and GATT and the TPP are not legitimate free trade agreements. Ron Paul took the correct libertarian position by opposing them.”

    Nonsense. The real world alternative is more protectionism, not less. While those agreements leave much to be desired, Ron Paul’s votes for in fact votes for more protectionism and less freedom in the real world, whatever rhetoric he used to justify them. The same is true for his loading pork into spending bills and then voting against them knowing they will pass anyway, and a lot of his other duplicity.

    “As for abortion, a good argument can be made that abortion is murder, and therefore violates the Non-Aggression Principle.”

    No, it’s a twisted and ridiculous argument with the real world goal of enslaving women.

  51. “And in 2012 the ACLU listed Johnson as the best candidate on civil liberties, with Ron Paul in 3rd, behind Obama. The ACLU rated Johnson higher than Paul on abortion, racial profiling, gay marriage, and immigration ”

    ACLU was entirely correct here.

    “But feel free to provide your own, objective rating system.”

    LOL. Good one.

  52. “Also, I weight issues, and I put the greatest weight on gun rights, taxes, the Federal Reserve/fiat currency, and jury nullification of victimless crimes.”

    Yeah, and I put the greatest weight on abortion, racial profiling, gay marriage, and immigration. As I said if Lincoln Chaffee does nothing except get Andy and his ilk out of the LP he will have done the world a tremendous service.

  53. I’ll grant that ISideWith and OnTheIssues are not perfect. Trump should be scored at right around zero, having virtually nothing at all in common with libertarianism. He was and is worse than Hillary Clinton, who is also really bad. Trump’s ideology shouldn’t even be compared with either the left or right in the US, but rather is much more like that of foreign dictators and authoritarians he admires and aspires to be like such as Kim, Putin and MBS, Adolf Hitler whose speeches he reportedly kept as his bedside reading for years, Duterte, Erdogan, LePen, Bolsonaro, the eurofascist movement, the KKK of which his father was a member, and so on.

  54. “TP = Trump Plurality [due to LP]”

    This is of course total nonsense. As usual you provide no evidence at all for this and ignore all evidence to the contrary. Despite the popular myth, the LP does not draw the bulk of its vote from people who would otherwise vote Republican. All the available evidence indicates that an actual majority of LP voters would not vote at all rather than vote for a Democrat or Republican, and the rest would be about evenly split between the two. Likewise, the roles Nader and Perot allegedly had in tilting those elections have been generally misrepresented. No matter how often those lies are repeated they still remain lies and falsehoods. Absent Perot, Clinton would still have been president; absent Nader, Shrub would have still occupied the oval office as well.

  55. EN has TOTAL 100 percent knowledge of why about 8 percent of 2016 voters did NOT vote for communist Clinton or fascist Trump ???

    Lots of new Age LIARS to moron pollsters — to be safe / politically correct.

    —
    Scale — more or less CONTROL of EVERYTHING [PRIVATE and public] by statist control freaks —

    6,000 plus years and counting.

  56. Ed Ng’s list of the highest priority issues illustrates that he’s either, a) not a real libertarian, b) an idiot, or c) both a and b.

  57. Yes demo rep, but they all told YOU the truth. By the way – it wasn’t 8 percent. Might want to look those results up again. What you suggest would be statistically implausible, if not impossible.

    Andy: once again – backatcha. In your case I vote for c.

  58. Ed Ng, you are not the first troll I have encountered who has used “backatcha”. It would not surprise me if you have been trolling under different fake names here, and on others sites I have visited, for years.

  59. Andy, you are the troll. It would not surprise me if you were raised for the purpose of being a government troll, and your parents are your handlers. Are you in their basement right now? Or sleeping in your car, or under a bridge like a good troll should? Perhaps it’s time you left the Libertarian Party for good. Maybe the Constitution Party should be your new home, or the new “Life and Liberty Party” JR Myers started. You’re probably not honest enough in your racism yet for the “American Freedom” Party. But then again, with your idol Molyneux increasingly out of the racist closet with a glass door, perhaps you’ll follow him and make it official, like Don Grundmann did lately.

    Andy, are you ready to become the Augustus Invictus Republican that you always really have been all along? Are you ready to embrace Donald Trump as your lord and savior like Walter Block, Lew Rockwell and Alex Jones have? Are you ready to follow Chris Cantwell into street battle against Antifa?

  60. I see some patterns in the writing style of “Ed Ng” and some other posters I have seen posting here and on some other sites I have posted on over the years. Coincidence?

    Tell us what LP affiliate you are a part of, “Ed Ng,” if this is even your real name (which I doubt). Who are you? I have been involved with this stuff since 1996, and I have never heard of you.

  61. Ed Ng is just a far left troll. Nothing more.

    The Robert Stocks of the world are the reason the LP is a joke. “Fuck philosophy” is all you need to know. No wonder he loves Chafee.

  62. LOL. Who said I am involved with any LP affiliate? Who cares if you heard of me or not? And why is it any of your business? For someone who claims to not be a government agent you sure want to know people’s personal business like one, play incompetent detective like one, and construct silly conspiracy theories based on laughably flimsy evidence like one. You’re also doing everything you can to discredit the LP by associating it with far right bigots, racists, conspiracy nut jobs, homophobes, immigrant-bashers, woman-haters, all the worst of the worst. It certainly sounds like you are an agent provocateur, most likely a paid one but perhaps a freelance nut job and useful idiot. Say, isn’t your trolling shift about over?

  63. This is quite funny. I have never heard of “Ed Ng,” yet “Ed Ng is acting like he knows me. Isn’t that fishy folks?

    It is almost as though “Ed Ng” is a paid government internet troll, or perhaps even an outright infiltrator operating inside the Libertaian Party, most likely under a name other than “Ed Ng,” and it could even be somebody that those of us in the LP know. Some of us may have even sat next to this person at meetings or conventions. Some of us may have even had diner with this person.

    So “Ed Ng,” do you just not have enough courage to come out of hiding, or are you undet orders from your handlers to remain in hiding?

  64. LOL k. Andy’s other persona says I’m far left. That would sure surprise all my far left acquaintances who all think I’m far right. Maybe try not being a one dimensional thinker?

    It’s interesting how Andy and his other fake persona have no response to anything substantive, only their deflections to their silly conspiracy conjecture. I can’t say I blame them, if my issue positions were as bad as his I would want to talk about something else too.

  65. Sorry Ed Ng, I am also not a real “Libertarian” according to Andy even though I’m registered Libertarian, a dues paying member of both the state and national parties, an officer in our county committee, and hold a local office as a Libertarian.

  66. Being part of the party and actually being a libertarian are two different things. The party is small enough to where it is easy to infiltrate. Look at the Barr and Root factions, then the Gary Johnson and Bill Weld factions, and now the Chafee group. They are believing in Robert Stock’s “Fuck principles” narrative. Remember when the party was “The Party of Principle”?

    If you want to think I am Andy, go right ahead. You can think I am Demo Rep or even Richard Winger himself if you wish. It doesn’t matter in the long run.

  68. Ed Ng claims to not be involved in the Libertarian Party, yet for someone supposedly not invoked, he sure does seem to pay close attention to it. He also sure seems to want me out of the Libertarian Party. He wants me out so there will be less resistance to leftist and globalist LINOs.

    I will be sticking around the Libertarian Party, as it is a philosophical home for actual libertarians, as in people like Tom Woods and myself. I will be a thorn in the side of leftist and globalist inftrators such as yourself.

    Why don’t you go to the Democratic Party, or perhaps the Green Party, or the Socialist Workers Party, or the Working Families Party, or the Party for Socialism and Liberation? These would be better fits for you than the Libertarian Party.

    Maybe if Lincoln Chafee, or someone like him, gets nominated as the LP’s presidential candidate in 2020, maybe I will finally get so disgusted that I will quit. If so, maybe this will give you cause to work really hard on Chafee 2020.
    We shall see what happens.

    I’d just hate to see the word libertarian have the same fate as liberal, which, in the minds of most people means left wing socialist. I would also hate to see the Libertarian Party completely taken over by far left wing loonies, and watered down Libertarian Lites and outright LINOs from the ruling establishmet like Bill Weld. Somebody should stand up for real libertarianism, instead of rolling over and letting the party be taken over by fakes, flakes, and fraudsters. Can the party be saved, and turned around? Stay tuned.

  69. “This is quite funny. I have never heard of “Ed Ng,”

    Why should you have heard of me? Is keeping tabs on all libertarians your job? Oh wait, I think you just admitted it.

    “Ed Ng is acting like he knows me.”

    I only know what you post online. You certainly post a lot of it. Why would you be surprised that someone has read a good bit of it? There is a lot more that I haven’t.

    It is exactly as though “Andy Jacobs” is a paid government internet troll, or perhaps even an outright infiltrator operating inside the Libertaian Party, most likely because he is.

    So Andy do you just not have enough courage to come out of hiding, or are you undet orders from your handlers to remain in hiding? Sometimes the best place to hide is in plain sight, but it’s OK Andy, it’s OK to finally admit you are and always have been a government agent and infiltrator. Maybe even bred specifically for that purpose?

  70. “Sorry Ed Ng, I am also not a real “Libertarian” according to Andy even though I’m registered Libertarian, a dues paying member of both the state and national parties, an officer in our county committee, and hold a local office as a Libertarian.”

    Andy Jacobs is the one who is not a real libertarian. But he IS a real government troll. It doesn’t matter whether Andy Jacobs is his real birth name or not. It could all be part of the government operation he works for, but then again maybe it is his real birth name. Would that mean he is not a government agent? Of course not, because he is.

  71. “If you want to think I am Andy, go right ahead. ” I don’t need your permission. It’s already quite obvious you are, Andy.

    “I do not know who me is, but I agree with the points he just made 9/14/19 at 3:50 PM.” Yes you do. he is you and you are him. So of course you agree.

    “Ed Ng claims to not be involved in the Libertarian Party,” I’ve made no claims one way or the other about being involved with the party.

    “he sure does seem to pay close attention to it.” This may be shocking to you but there are people who pay close attention to the party yet are not involve with any affiliate. Some have busy travel schedules, some have limited mobility, some have corporate jobs/clients/family which preclude active involvement. Some choose not to be involved so long as people such as Andy Jacobs are involved and welcomed.

    “He also sure seems to want me out of the Libertarian Party.” Yes, because people like you are an embarrassment to the party and movement and keep it from growing. A lot of people would never go to an LP meeting or join the party because it is associated with people like you, hateful bigots, racists, raving paranoid nuts, etc.

    ” He wants me out so there will be less resistance to leftist and globalist LINOs. ” Except that you are the lino. You’re actually an authoritarian alt right fascist, not a libertarian at all.

    “I will be sticking around the Libertarian Party, as it is a philosophical home for actual libertarians, as in people like Tom Woods and myself.” You just contradicted yourself several times. For one thing you said above you will leave if Chafee is nominated, now you’ll stay. Which is it? Secondly you and Woods are not actual philosophical libertarians or anything remotely close.

    ” I will be a thorn in the side of leftist and globalist inftrators such as yourself. ” You are the infiltrator, and a cancer on the party and movement.

    “Why don’t you go to the Democratic Party, or perhaps the Green Party, or the Socialist Workers Party, or the Working Families Party, or the Party for Socialism and Liberation? ” Because I disagree with their economic views. Ever heard of Vietnamese boat people, you ignoramus? While you flap your gums calling me a communist you want a Stasi garrison state to enforce your border Marxism and worship a literal admitted Marxist in Hans Hoppe.

    “Maybe if Lincoln Chafee, or someone like him, gets nominated as the LP’s presidential candidate in 2020, maybe I will finally get so disgusted that I will quit. If so, maybe this will give you cause to work really hard on Chafee 2020.
    We shall see what happens. ”

    And again you contradicted yourself yet again. Which is it? Are you going to stay or go? Hopefully go, but do please try to make up your mind.

    “Somebody should stand up for real libertarianism,” Which is the opposite of your fascism.

    “loonies, and watered down Libertarian Lites and outright LINOs ” Again you. Watered down with bigotry and racism among many other things. ‘

    “fakes, flakes, and fraudsters” That would definitely be you, Andy.

    ” Can the party be saved, and turned around? ” Let’s hope so, and that it will inspire Andy to leave so sane people and actual libertarians are more free to join.

  72. Ed Ng is a classic far leftist. Calling any person you disagree with a racist, bigot, etc, is a tactic in their playbook. He’s mad some people actually have and believe in their principles.

  73. Andy,

    I only call racists and bigots racists and bigots. I disagree with other people on economic issues, gun rights and other issues which does not make them racists or bigots. I’m strongly in favor free markets, Second Amendment rights, non-intervention, private charity, free trade, open borders, cutting taxes, government spending and debt, restoring civil liberties, bringing the troops home, ending the government’s “wars” including the “war on drugs,” “war on terror,” and “war on poverty.” I oppose the military-industrial complex, wars abroad, tariffs, taxes, government welfare, mass incarceration, militarized police, policing the world, humanitarian wars, foreign aid, corporate welfare, domestic espionage, victim disarmament, etc.

    There are a lot of people who disagree with me on some or all of these issues who are not bigots or racists of any kind. If you want to characterize those views as far leftist, go right ahead and do that. Libertarians such as Bastiat sat on the left in the 18th and 19th century French parliament which gave the political left and right their names. I would say I’m a radical classical liberal.

    I actually have and believe in my principles, unlike paleo/alt right fash and closet Marxists who believe in massive government as a supposedly “temporary” measure on the road to a racially pure segregated neo-feudal anarcho-nationalist theocratic patriarchal utopia. They share a lot in common with Marxists who also claim the massive state they support is just a temporary measure on the road to a stateless workers paradise. Some of us have had to flee these workers utopias, barely escaping with our lives and at times crossing national borders illegally and or put in refugee camps. Others were less lucky.

  74. If that’s what you actually believe, we have more in common than you would think. It’s not what Chafee believes.

  75. I realize that. I don’t expect him to agree with me on everything. I think he’d probably be better than the Orange Menace and whichever bozo the Democrats nominate, and will at least speak up for some of the issues that both of them will ignore. I don’t necessarily think he’d be the best choice for the nomination but it’s not the end of the world if he gets it and he may get a lot more votes than someone who agrees with me on everything, were such a person available. As a result that will help the other candidates further down the ballot some of whom may have a real chance to win or make a big dent. Many of those would agree with me a lot more than he would.

  76. I really hope Chafee’s trial balloon goes nowhere. I’m not all that thrilled at the prospects of Amash, either. I would really like an eloquent, likable, composed, intelligent and well principled nominee with real libertarian street cred. I’m not sure who that might be but I’m ready for someone who has not recently joined the party to take advantage of possible 50 state ballot access.

  77. Well, Jo Jorgensen and iirc Jacob Hornberger will be running, in addition to those already campaigning actively.

  78. Watching Larry Sharpe’s interview of Chafee it doesn’t sound like he’s actually running for the LP presidential ticket. There were many stances that veer from the LP platform, though he admits that he’s “really new” to the party and that he has a lot to learn. He seems open minded which I like, you can watch it on youtube here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ6YvOZ5oEw

  79. And I find much to admire about each of them. I suspect the “wasted vote” syndrome will be at a fever pitch in 2020 with the total political polarization that is taking place so Libertarian vote totals will probably be suppressed anyway. Time for a principled campaign IMHO.

  80. Really new and still learning the platform, yet is running for President? This is clearly to take advantage of ballot access, simple as that.

  82. He’s running, stop kidding yourself. I’m not going to give your buddy Chafee any clicks. Post a transcript and I will read it,

  84. No, I am not giving Chafee clicks to support his campaign. Post a transcript.

    I get it, you love the guy. You keep pushing him on us. I believe in principles, so I wouldn’t support Chafee if you put a gun to my head.

  85. @me I gave you a transcript already. Also, no I wouldn’t support him for Pres. but I believe he could become a valuable member of the party

  86. I watched the Sharpe interview. I did not hear Chafee deny that he was running. He did not say that he was running, either. All he said was that he had some interest in attending the 2020 convention, but it didn’t sound like he’d be devastated if he missed it. If Chafee was running, I’d think he would have given some sort of signal. He really didn’t. Which makes me think he isn’t running.

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