On March 18, William Weld ended his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. Thanks to Political Wire for this news.
On March 18, William Weld ended his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. Thanks to Political Wire for this news.
Well this is not a surprise given how poorly he has done. It was really a suicide mission from the start. I think he and his supporters were hoping that Trump would get impeached and removed from office. If that had happened, Weld would have stood a legitimate chance. I do not like Bill Weld, so I am glad he lost. I just hope he does not come crawling back to the LP again, and if he does, I hope everyone in the LP rejects him.
Turn our backs on William “Coronavirus” Weld? How could we? He can bring tons of money and he has the experience and coupled with Lincoln Chafee we could WIN!
Lol. No. He did not think he would beat trump. He’s shooting for things like book deals, speaking fees, maybe a talking head show, probably msnbc. He may or may not run back to the l.p. Whether he does or not, look for him to endorse or quasi endorse Biden on the fall.
Doesnt matter regardless. Whether you think it’s a good idea or not trump will win easily. If the election is not called off or postponed. Either way trump will stay in.
Sarwark will take him back. He loves rejects, considering he’s a plant.
My name a Libertarian won with 52.8%, the only state primary allowing LP Prez candidates on ballot (Missouri), despite being blocked by the L.P. party bosses and so Johnson wouldn’t and couldn’t be pair-tested next to my work.
That gave Johnson the opportunity to claim his campaign had the correct plan.
Gary Johnson in 2012; “I am the answer to the two-party system.”
James Ogle in 2020; “Only under the pure proportional representation (PPR) Electoral College can a third party challenge the two-party system.”
Voting going on now, be one voting Elector of 538 by nominating your name, Electors will be electing the PPR Electoral College’s Execs by perpetual votes of confidence starting 4/20/2020.
Voting going on now:
http://www.allpartysystem.com/e-aps-13.php
Consti Lib, why did you call William Weld William “Coronavirus” Weld? What is the significance of that in regard to Weld?
Duh… he’s POISON for God’s sakes!
A few more words for the Weld wiki.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Weld
Lol, that’s what happens when you pull an Austin Petersen and prostitute yourself to the twin-party system; you LOSE.
The LP will never take him back after what he did. Not in a billion years.
Austin Petersen’s case is not really that bad, because he at least ran on a platform that could at least be called libertarian, and he did not lie or stab the LP in the back like Bill Weld did. I would not have a problem with Austin Petersen returning to the LP, and I say this as somebody who has a few disagreements with him.
Different wings of the lp would welcome either Petersen or weld back, with some overlap. I don’t know that either one would or would not want to take another trip through the party turnstile but they have both been through it too many times for me.
They both have platforms that are libertarian in some ways but not others. Trumpertarian republitarian isn’t somehow inherently more libertarian than country club nevertrump republitarian.
Your preference for one over the other just reveals which libertarian issues you are personally weak on or consider less important.
Cody,
I wouldn’t take that bet. You might be surprised at the gullibility of many lp delegates. He would come in with empty promises of major donations and lies about how the republican run was just strategic to build his donor database and media profile for the l.p. Benefit, and how he’s really, really a libertarian for life this time and always was even when he wasn’t and a bunch of people would probably eat it up. The real question is whether he would want to bother, especially with the sore loser laws being applied to presidential candidates now.
Plus, Chaffee is already there and they would cannibalize the same votes. Weld might pop in to try to help Chaffee if anything. It’s probably too early for him to shill for Biden yet.
Weld could come back to the LP and run for Vice President. Chafee/Weld anyone? GAG!!!!
Petersen was a bit moderate for my taste, but his platform was definitely more libertarian than that of Bill Weld. Weld does not even deserve to be called a libertarian of any kind, other than a fake one.
The problem there is your taste. You confuse it for what is actually libertarian.
Given court decisions on sore loser laws since 2012 it would be foolish to consider anyone who was on another party’s primary ballot the same year for p or VP. Additionally weld has already said he will support Biden according to at least one source I just saw, although I have not seen the original statement that allegation refers to.
Anyone running for VP has to also be qualified to run for president so there’s no VP exception if sore loser laws continue to be applied to presidential candidates.
It is not my taste. Go issue for issue. Petersen is more libertarian than Weld. I do not consider Weld to be a libertarian at all. Weld is not even a libertarian leaner.
I say this as somebody who was never even on the Austin Petersen bandwagon.
I don’t see how the sore loser laws can apply to presidential candidates since we don’t actually vote for them. We technically vote for the slates of Presidential Electors pledged to a particular candidate, but they are free to vote their conscience when the Electoral College actually convenes. Yes, there is a current Scotus case on how well this will hold up. Nevertheless, presidential candidates always remain candidates even after the primaries. In 2016, three Democrat Presidential Electors voted for Republican Colin Powell even though he didn’t actually run in the GOP primary.
If the LP top folks were small d democratic, then ALL LP members would do nominations of a LP USA Prez candidate —
via a mail ballot —
using Approval Voting – pending Condorcet.
— to get REAL libertarians and NOT EVIL FALSE Donkey/Elephant rejects/agents/spies as candidates.
BUT the LP clubby folks love their vacation clubby conventions and ANTI-Democracy Bylaws – based on 1970 Elephant Bylaws
and the 2-4 pct in the zillion USA/States/Locals office elections since 1970
— now mere 50 years of FUTILITY —
causing some more RED Donkey communists getting elected in the few remaining marginal gerrymander areas — by dividing and conquering the LP/Elephant votes.
—-
PR
AppV
TOTSOP
in govts and in the LP esp.
Jeff Becker
Logically yes, but courts have ruled otherwise starting with Johnson in Michigan in 2012 and continuing with de la Fuente in multiple states in 2016. Powell example is not relevant since he did not appear on a primary ballot.
What scouts case are you speaking of? If it’s faithless electors that’s a different issue. If there is something directly on the issue of sore loser laws being applied to presidential candidates I missed it; what is the name or cite of the case?
Sending a party 25 bucks and an unenforced pledge which many people disagree on the meaning of and others ignore altogether is not a high enough barrier to decide the internal affairs of a party. Doubly so since the 25 bucks is not even technically required and there are far more members who paid that money at some past date, lapsed a long time ago but never revoked their pledge. Some of them still support the party but many do not. A physical national convention is much more appropriate.
Demorep often repeats the common misconception that libertarians are somehow closer to republicans than to democrats and split republican votes, yet never offers any evidence for this when challenged. For every issue on which the lp is to the right of the republicans there’s another where it is to the left of the democrats. Since different voters consider different issues important it’s logical that the l.p. gets just as many votes which would otherwise go to democrats as ones which would otherwise go to republicans, and some who would otherwise just stay home.
Since Andy thinks issues on which libertarians tend to agree with democrats are less important than ones where they agree with republicans it stands to reason that he thinks Petersen is somehow better than weld and that Ron Paul is somehow more pure than Gary Johnson, but it just isn’t so.
The freedom of women to control their own bodies, the right of people to move about freely without the government acting like the whole country is its property and demanding travel and work permits everywhere, the right of same sex couples to have the same legal rights as opposite sex couples, etc, are just as or more important to many people as taxes and guns. There are many kinds of libertarians and Andy’s personal preferences are not everyone’s nor should they be.
If you’re just listing off issues, then yes, the LP is about equidistant from the Democrats and Republicans. But, with some exceptions, the LP generally does pull more from Republicans than it does from Democrats. There are some Republican voters who actually rank as their top priority the issues that Republican candidates talk about having in common with libertarians. And when the Republicans put up candidates who have no credibility with voters on those issues, then those Republican voters become Libertarian voters.
The issues which some Democratic voters say they have in common with libertarians are not their top priority. They care more about issues with which they disagree with libertarians. So, in most elections, the LP does not pull nearly as strongly from the Democrats as it does from the Republicans.
“Joseph” AKA cyberpig xaulie banali
Women have a right to control their own bodies, but they do not have a right to murder babies (around 50% of whom are female), or to outsource the murder to a hitman, aka-an “abortion doctor” (a hitman who kills babies). I recognize that this is a contentious issue where even the liberty movement is divided, so I do not consider it to be a high priority issue, but I do not consider supporting abortion to be a legitimate libertarian issue, because it violates the Non-Aggression Principle.
People have a right to move freely, so long as they do not come in conflict with a property owner. I have no right to “move freely” in your backyard without your consent.
I NEVER said that same sex couples can’t have the same rights as opposite sex couples. The purist libertarian position on marriage is that the government should stay completely out of it, as in no state marriage licenses. I recognize that we do not live in an ideal world, so I do not have s problem with gays getting state marriage licenses as an interim position. I do not think they have a right to force bake shops to bake cakes for their weddings, but I don’t care if they get married, and I don’t object to them getting state marriage licenses, beyond my general opposition to marriage licensing for everyone.
I get the feeling that “Joseph” has posted here before, under numerous fake names, including on this thread, and he may post here under his real name sometimes as well.
Oh, and as for “Joseph’s” assertion that Gary Johnson and Bill Weld are more libertarian than Ron Paul, that is laughable. Austin Petersen is more libertarian than Gary Johnson and Bill Weld, and Ron Paul is more libertarian than Austin Petersen.
If “Libertarians” ran the country there’d be no restrictions on travel from coronavirus infested nations and we’d all be infected now. This pandemic exposes why open borders “Libertarians” have such a flawed ideology.
It depends on which libertarians. If it was a sensible libertarian, like Ron Paul, then I do not believe we’d have people with communicable diseases pouring into the country, nor would there be tbe mass hysteria like there is now if a few people with communicable diseases slipped through.
I do agree that the “open borders” unlimited, unrestricted immigration crowd in the libertarian movement would create problems like this. I think it is quite possible that some of the “rip the borders open as the highest priority” crowd in the Libertarian movement would actually end up destroying any chance at liberty, whether they intended to or not, and I suspect that at least some of these people actually do intend to destroy liberty, but of course some of them are just inept or naive.
I have heard some people refer to the question of how would libertarians in an anarcho-capitalist society defend against an armed invasion as the hard question. Well, stopping the spread of diseases/viruses is another one. I believe that libertarians can solve these problems, but you don’t solve them by disregarding or ignoring them.
I put “Libertarians” in quotes because I was referring to leftist open borders Libertarians like the cyberpig. Real libertarians believe in private property rights and so in an ideal world would be able to prevent infected people from entering.
No Missed Opportunities
By James Ogle for US President or Vice President and Secretary
The Libertarian One 2020
http://Www.1ogle.com
In my life I studied architectural design, have been self employed artist using natural talent AND I’ve been financing the push to eliminate all plurality voting so to replace it with pure proportional representation (PPR).
My team was running candidates from 1983 to 1986 when Clint Eastwood ran against us in 1986.
I obtained and embraced the Hagenbach-Bishoff Method in 1992 and have carried this ball ever since.
I’ve seen plenty of opponents to pure proportional representation in my life.
The motions we brought to improve the bylaws were blocked on Los Angeles County LP and the California State L.P. and they’re currently viewable on the following web page at items 12 and 15:
http://www.usparliament.org/stv.php
No way to one-party and two-party voting systems. Never acceptable.
America is a melting pot.
We bring the correct math and there is no other way.
We brought the correct math to the California State LP as POTUS candidate where we got three minutes to speak before the State L.P. convention and then another three minutes before the State Executive for a total of six minutes.
We surpassed the free speech time permitted in the 2012 run for L.P. POTUS nomination by one minute since we got five minutes to speak in 2012.
Our name isn’t big enough for them.
We allowed no missed opportunities but we didn’t do a good enough job.
LP– RATIONAL mini-govs versus delusional IRRATIONAL utopian NOOO govt anarchists [latter akin to delusional Unanimty folks — 100 pct approval for ALL laws).
Such anarchists have been mostly/totally in control of the LP for the last 50 years –
result — lawless TYRANT Trump AND HIS ROBOT HACKS IN THE VARIOUS LEGIS BODIES –
DEATHLY AFRAID OF THE NEW AGE RED DONKEY COMMUNISTS – LIKE SANDERS, H. CLINTON, OBAMA, WJ CLINTON, ETC.
Other 3 standard regimes IN LAW MAKING –
DEMOCRACY – MAJORITY RULE
OLIGARCHY – MINORITY RULE BY 2 OR MORE – LESS THAN A MAJORITY
MONARCHY – MINORITY RULE BY ONE.
SEE THE 1ST AND 2ND TREATISES ON GOVT BY JOHN LOCKE [ON INTERNET]—
WRITTEN CIRCA 1690 JUST AFTER THE BRIT REVOLUTION IN 1688-1689
— SEE 1689 ENGLISH BILL OF RIGHTS ACT.
>>> MODEL FOR 1775-1776 AMERICAN REVOLUTIONARY WAR.
TERRIBLE ROTTED NON-TEACHING OF BASIC STUFF IN USA STATIST PUBLIK SKOOOLS FOR CENTURIES.
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PR AND DEMOCRACY AND APPV – PENDING CONDORCET
TOTSOP
OK, Richard. You can turn the comments off now.
Chances are, Weld will endorse Biden, unless Joe dies from some terrible disease between now and November.
Not yet-
for any unaware folks —
A-L-L of the major legislative bodies in the USA have been and are ANTI-Democracy oligarch regimes since 1776 –
1/2 or less votes x 1/2 rigged gerrymander areas = 1/4 or less CONTROL
with much, much, much worse primary math.
The gerrymander monarchs of the control faction [or some top exec HACK] pick a monarch legis boss to CONTROL the legis body agenda.
= most laws due to a monarch-oligarch gang conspiracy.
Just before the 1964 SCOTUS gerrymander cases the minority rule was est 5-15 pct in most bodies —
raised to 25-30 pct since 1964 [but much worse in primaries- for open seats].
PR came too late – 1820s-1840s — long after gerrymander monarchs were entrenched
much worse than olde divine right of kings.
5 OF 9 SCOTUS HACKS gave a blank check for TOTAL ANTI-Democracy gerrymanders in Rucho v Common Cause, 588 U.S. ______ [docket 18-422] (27 June 2019)
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18-422_9ol1.pdf
Just my opinion, but:
1. Switch from R/D to LP …. OK, give them a fair look and listen. Even Chafee.
2. Switch out of LP to R/D, then come back to LP…. nope. Of course anyone’s welcome as a voter or supporter, but I’m not going to support a deserter as a candidate or significant party official. So no Petersen, Weld, or even Paul the Elder, regardless of how libertarian they talk.