Jo Jorgensen received a majority of the vote at the Libertarian presidential convention, round four, so she is the presidential nominee.
The vote: Jorgensen 524; Jacob Hornberger 285; Vermin Supreme 206.
Other votes: NOTA 4, and one each for Nick Sarwark, Adam Kokesh, Sorinne Adeleanu, John Monds, Ryan Graham, Godzilla, and John Ammens.
The vice-presidential nominee will be chosen on Sunday morning, May 24. Here is a brief news story from Reason Magazine.
Waiting for Ogle’s endorsement.
Man, they’ve already got their campaign signs made: https://lpstore.org/product/jorgensen-for-president-yard-sign-12×24/
How did they get campaign signs made so quickly?
I’m sure they had it set up for each of the nominated candidates to be able to load up the ability to sell signs. Just because you can buy one doesn’t mean it’s actually been produced yet.
Who did you end up voting for in the final rounds Andy?
@Andy,
Allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery.
@Chris – Unlike sports championship t-shirts and hats where the vendors always take a bath on the pre-printed losers apparel which they have to have ready at the stadiums/arenas.
I voted for Jacob Hornberger in the last found. I dislike his immigration stance, and the way he frames the issue, but I do not like the same thing about Jorgensen.
I will say that Hornberger and Jorgensen are good for the most part, but but there are other peopke out there I’d certainly prefer over them.
Should say, “round” above.
I voted Kokesh, Monds, Monds, and Hornberger. I would have voted Hornberger in the 5th round if there had been one.
I had a hard time deciding who to vote for after Kokesh was eliminated.
I think the Convention chose the best candidate for President when they nominated Jo Jorgensen. She is principled and articulate. Congratulations!
Jo who? I’ve heard the name, but have no clue who she is.
Wow!
I am pleasantly surprised.
I thought the forces of darkness would win.
Vermin Supreme, Spike Cohen, Judd Weiss and his shiksa dupe Avens.
Paulie and William S. Saturn who may be the same person.
Now if Jo picks a progressive vp, we have a fusion ticket!
Jo, pick Darcy Richardson and I will cream in ,my jeans!
5 percent or bust in Nov 2020 from REAL Voters ???
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ANY brain cells in the top LP folks regarding the
ANTI-Democracy minority rule gerrymander systems and
party hack execs/judics and
FATAL sep powers violations in the USA ???
Answer – unlikely — since the same ROT has been in the LP Bylaws/Conventions since 1970.
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PR and AppV — pending Condorcet
TOTSOP
https://www.fec.gov/data/elections/president/2020/
sort by party
FEC $$$ stats — multi-000 $$$ by some LP Prez candidates
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How many coming attacks by TYRANT Trump and his goon/hack gangsters on the LP and esp on J.J. ???
AND, of course, how many zillion $$$ from RED donkey commies to help cause Biden commies to divide/conquer Trump and JJ ??? —
esp in 2016 marginal gerrymander EC States —
MI, WI, PA, FL, etc.
How soon before TYRANT Trump and his goon/hack gangsters attack the obscene trolls/morons on BAN —
as being *representative* / *typical* of LP *thinking* / *acting* ???
PURGE all trolls/morons OFF BAN to their holes under rocks.
If you don’t vote for Biden, you’re not Libertarian!
Sarwark and Co., did a great job pushing this thru on Saturday. Jo seems like a quality voice for the LP in 2020.
Men, now we elect a male name, a male who will be the best team player under pure proportional representation.
Another female name, President Sorinne Ardeleanu [Libertarian] requests to be nominated for Vice President today, men may consider all the possibilities.
Should you want two different parties, then the Libertarian One 2020, only that will mitigate the math of a two-party system on one-party slate.
Everyone please consider having a second JO, James Ogle, as Vice President so to bring the 539-party system to the 538-member Electoral College in 2020.
Libertarian One 2020
http://Www.pprelectoralcollege.com
Jorgensen/Monds would have Biden wearing an extra layer of Depends. Make it so.
“I think the Convention chose the best candidate for President when they nominated Jo Jorgensen. She is principled and articulate. Congratulations!”
There are certainly things I like about her, but here are some negatives:
She has ZERO name recognition outside the Libertarian Party.
Although she’s a long time Libertarian, and the party’s 1996 nominee for VP, she pretty much DISAPPEARED from political activism for more two decades after her 1996 VP run. I first joined the LP in ’96, and I follow this stuff more closely than most people, and I heard NOTHING about her for more than 2 decades after her ’96 VP run, up until she started her current presidential run. Some people said, it was because she had kids. I looked it up, and both of her kids are well into their 30’s. Her youngest son turned 18 in 2006, which was 14 years ago. She never even attended any LP National Conventions after ’96, until 2018 in New Orleans, which I attended, and I had no idea she was there until I heard about it after it was over. The 2004 national convention was in Atlanta, and the 2016 national convention was in Orlando, neither of which are very far from where she lives in South Carolina, yet she did not go. Prior to her launching her campaign, I found ZERO articles posted by her online, and I only found one video of her on YouTube, and it was from the ’96 national convention, and it only had about 300 views. Even since becoming a presidential candidate, Jorgensen’s YouTube channel only has 357 subscribers, and only 8,136 views, which is not that many more views than I have on my YouTube channel, and I am not a presidential candidate, and I have not done that much to promote my channel. So if he disappeared after the ’96 campaign for over two decades, whose to say she won’t disappear after this one is over, or maybe do a little bit and then fade into obscurity.
During her campaign for the nomination, I am not aware of her doing any outreach outside of going to LP conventions and posting a few videos online (which not many people watched). I do not really consider going to LP conventions and preaching to the choir, or debating other Libertarians, to be activism. I put more value on people who go out and talk to the general public who are NOT libertarians, or, who might be libertarians but don’t know it yet? How much campaigning did she do beyond going to LP conventions, and posting a few videos online that hardly anyone watched?
Just to be clear here, I am not saying that I don’t like her, or that I think that she’s a bad person, or that she does not have any positive attributes as a candidate, I am just raising some legitimate concerns which I think delegates should have taken into consideration.
” whose to say she won’t disappear after this one is over”
Should read, “who is to say that she won’t disappear again after this one is over…”
“Jeff Becker on May 24, 2020 at 7:41 am said:
Jorgensen/Monds would have Biden wearing an extra layer of Depends. Make it so.”
Why would Biden fear candidates with no name recognition or money?
After 1996 she earned a PhD, in industrial and organizational psychology.
Among U.S. presidents, the only PhD ever was Woodrow Wilson.
She is also the youngest person who will be on the ballot in enough states to theoretically win. Although 63 isn’t “young”, Howie Hawkins is 67, Don Blankenship is 70, Trump will be 74 next month, Biden is 77. I am not saying that Blankenship will be on in enough states to theoretically win, but he very well may be.
You know Andy, you would complain if you were hanged with a new rope! The party finally nominates someone who is a philosophical libertarian and you complain about low name recognition. You didn’t want Amash because he hadn’t joined the party soon enough and frankly there are not many libertarians with ANY name recognition to choose from. You talk about party building and such and now the running mate of Harry Browne who you seem to believe is second only to Ron Paul is wonderfulness is the nominee and what do you do? You moan and complain about low name recognition! Get over it already! You can’t have it BOTH ways.
That is nice, but I really don’t think that much of the public cares whether or not a candidate has a PhD.
63 is not young, and I don’t think her age, or contrasting being 63 vs Trump and Biden being over 70, will make much of a difference.
So far, Blankenship and the CP have put forth little to no effort into increasing their ballot access, but of course some of this is due to the Coronavirus scare. If Blankenship was serious about running, he should have spearheaded and effort to start ballot access early. They did get on the ballot in a couple of states early, but they could have done a lot more.
The LP currently has ballot access in 34 states plus DC, so if the LP can get all 60 plus DC, she’ll be the only candidate to do that, and could get a lot of (relatively speaking) protest votes from people who don’t like Trump or Biden. My guess is that since Trump was new to running for office in 2016, and now he is a sitting President, the Republican base is going to be more solidly behind him now than it was 4 years ago, and even though I think many Democrats realize that Biden is a poor choice for a candidate, a lot of people will vote for him just because they want to stop Trump, so I am thinking that there will probably be less protest votes this time for minor party and independent candidates.
” So if he disappeared after the ’96 campaign for over two decades”
Should read, “she,” not he.
“You know Andy, you would complain if you were hanged with a new rope! The party finally nominates someone who is a philosophical libertarian and you complain about low name recognition. You didn’t want Amash because he hadn’t joined the party soon enough and frankly there are not many libertarians with ANY name recognition to choose from. You talk about party building and such and now the running mate of Harry Browne who you seem to believe is second only to Ron Paul is wonderfulness is the nominee and what do you do? You moan and complain about low name recognition! Get over it already! You can’t have it BOTH ways.”
I am glad that the party finally nominated somebody who I consider to be an actual libertarian (although I may disagree with her on a few things) this time. There was however, another actual libertarian Libertarian in the race who actually DOES have name recognition outside the Libertarian Party, and who actually DOES have a long record of actual activism to the general public, and a track record for creating new libertarians out of the general public, in Adam Kokesh, and instead of nominating him, he only got about 7.something percent of the vote, and the delegates choose to nominate a candidate with ZERO name recognition and ZERO track record of doing any activism or outreach outside the LP for over 2 decades.
The delegates were “afraid” of Adam because he’s “too radical” and because he’s been arrested (falsely) for going out in the real world and doing actual real world activism.
I have done a lot of petition signature gathering for the LP, and while doing it, I often have people come up to me and bring up a name whom they associate with the word libertarian. The name I hear more than any other is Ron Paul. I also get Rand Paul a lot. I get Gary Johnson. I get John Stossel and Andrew Napolitano. I get sometimes get some others. Out of the people who ran for the LP’s 2020 presidential nomination, the ONLY name that anyone mentioned to me is Adam Kokesh. I am not saying he’s a household word, or that I got his name mentioned anywhere near that of Ron Paul, or even John Stossel, but I did encounter random people who came up to me, and without me prompting them, mention Adam Kokesh, and this happened in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arkansas, and North Dakota. I had a grand total of ZERO people ever mention Jo Jorgensen, or Jacob Hornberger, or John Monds, or anyone else that was running, except for Vermin Supreme, but the few times people mentioned Vermin, I was NOT petitioning for the LP, and they did NOT bring him up for being a libertarian, but rather, for being a goofy or crazy guy who runs for office and wears a boot on his head.
So Adam Kokesh was the ONLY person running who had actual name recognition outside the LP for being a libertarian activist, and had the best record for doing actual real world libertarian activism and creating new libertarians, and he gets rejected in favor of candidates with little to no name recognition and little to no record of real world activism.
“You talk about party building and such and now the running mate of Harry Browne who you seem to believe is second only to Ron Paul is wonderfulness is the nominee and what do you do? You moan and complain about low name recognition! Get over it already! You can’t have it BOTH ways.”
Harry Browne was a great candidate, and the LP did grow a lot during the Harry Browne years, and Jorgensen ended up playing a role in that, but it was a small role, which ended after the 1996 election. It was also a long time ago.
Also, when Harry Browne was running for the LP’s presidential nomination, he did more than just show up at LP meetings and conventions. He did a lot of interviews on TV, radio, and in newspapers, and also speaking engagements, so he was not only talking to fellow Libertarians. Harry Browne also frequently posted articles online. After Harry’s second run for President in 2000 ended, he did not disappear. He continued regularly posting articles online, he continued doing speaking engagements and media interviews, and he launched a radio show, called The Harry Browne Show (it was not on a lot of radio stations, but it was in some markets, and it was also on shortwave and it was online). He also put out three excellent books in, Why Government Doesn’t Work, The Great Libertarian Offer, and Liberty A to Z: 872 Soundbites You Can Use Right Now!, plus, he was working on two more books, one about the War on Drugs, and one about military imperialism, which he unfortunately never finished, because he passed away. Harry Browne continued working for liberty up until he became to sick to do so and then he passed away. That was a good example of somebody who is truly dedicated to the cause.
Wow! That’s the BEST you’ve got? Sad.
“to sick”
Should read, “too sick” above.
“Casual Observer on May 24, 2020 at 9:17 am said:
Wow! That’s the BEST you’ve got? Sad.”
Tell me what I said that you think is not correct, and why you think I am not correct.
Kokesh is nowhere near a household name. There ARE no household names that were seeking the nomination this year. I don’t even consider Amash a household name since he is a lame duck member of the House. You obviously have no children. You also most likely don’t understand tenure. Just be happy the party didn’t go crawling back to Bill Weld or draft Lincoln Chafee! Things are looking better so all I’m saying is don’t be so negative.
GO JO JO ???
ANY States with LP ballot access problems ???
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Who was the VP of T Roos in 1912 ??? Helped or hurt T.R. ???
:Casual Observer on May 24, 2020 at 9:36 am said:
Kokesh is nowhere near a household name. There ARE no household names that were seeking the nomination this year. I don’t even consider Amash a household name since he is a lame duck member of the House. You obviously have no children. You also most likely don’t understand tenure. Just be happy the party didn’t go crawling back to Bill Weld or draft Lincoln Chafee! Things are looking better so all I’m saying is don’t be so negative.”
I specifically said that Adam Kokesh is not a household name, but I said that he’s got a much bigger outside the LP than any of the other candidates for the nomination. He’s also the ONLY candidate running who I have gotten any feedback from the general public about without me prompting them while gathering LP ballot access petition signatures, and it was all positive feedback.
Even Justin Amash is not a household name, but yes, Amash also has more name recognition than anyone else running, and yes, as a sitting US House member who has gotten some national media coverage, I think it is not unreasonable to say that he probably has better name recognition than Adam Kokesh.
I am happy that the LP did not end up with Bill Weld or Lincoln Chafee or somebody like that. Jo Jorgensen is at least somebody who I’d call a libertarian, and she does have some positive attributes. I just think that the party screwed up by not nominating Adam Kokesh. The LP has a history of screwing up, which is a big reason why the party is not more successful, so I suppose I should not be surprised.
“but I said that he’s got a much bigger outside the LP”
Should read, “but I said that he’s got a much bigger name outside the LP…”
This has received almost zero media coverage. My guess is that this will be the largest decline in votes in Libertarian Party history.
Michigan Voter- You are probably correct but this is a year that the “wasted vote” syndrome will be in overdrive due to the Hate Trump or Trump IS God viewpoints. 2020 is not going to be a year ANY alternative party will gain much traction. This election is a referendum on Donald Trump.
“Michigan Voter on May 24, 2020 at 10:53 am said:
This has received almost zero media coverage. My guess is that this will be the largest decline in votes in Libertarian Party history.”
It very well might. Back in 2016, Trump was new to running for office, and not all Republicans supported him. Now that Trump is President, I think that Republicans will galvanize behind him more so than last time. Even though a lot of Democrats think that Biden is a weak candidate, they will galvanize behind him just to stop Trump. Lots of people are scared because of Coronavirus, and when people are scared, they are more likely to run to the familiar for protection than try something different, even if what they are running to contributed to whatever it was that made them scared.
Votes for third party and independent candidates was up in general in 2016 due to the circumstances surrounding that election. This may not be the case this year due to a different set of circumstances.
So disappointed that neither Vermin, nor Demo Rep, nor Milnes, got the nomination.
As for publicity and virtual conventions, let us see if the Greens learn anything from this, especially if Hawkins has the nomination locked up before the convention.
Justin Amash is not now a “lame duck” member of Congress. He may yet run for re-election. If he chooses to run for re-election as a Libertarian, his path to the Noveber ballot is very easy. The Michigan LP will nominate by convention in August and the convention nominees will automatically be on the November ballot.
Make no mistake, I am not blaming the delegates. There were no serious ‘name’ candidates. Amash would have been a different story. I think he would have actually surpassed Johnson’s total.
Did Amash drop out because he didn’t think he was going to win the nomination?
CO — REASON TO HAVE CONDORCET —
BOTH NUMBER VOTES 1, 2, 3, ETC. AND YES/NO TIEBREAKER.
HOW MANY TYRANT TRUMP GANG EFFORTS TO NUKE BLAST THE LP OFF ALL BALLOTS [AT LEAST FOR PREZ/VP] — ESP IN 2016 MARGINAL STATES ???
Justin Amash would likely get less votes than the 2016 ticket if he were the LP’s presidential candidates due to running under a more difficult set of circumstances. I think Amash would be a better candidate than Johnson, but the circumstances would lead to him likely getting less votes.
You are assuming the Michigan LP will nominate Amash. They may not.
Jorgensen’s website is vague. I only know the name so I can’t say if she’s a real libertarian. If Sarwark did push her through, that worries me, since he was in love with Bill Weld who never was a real libertarian.
Demo Rep – Teddy Roosevelt’s candidate for Vice-President on the Progressive ticket was Governor Hiram Johnson of California. Johnson had been elected as a Republican in 1910 and he was still a Republican in 1912 – the California Republican Party nominated electors pledged to the Roosevelt -Johnson ticket. Roosevelt carried California, but I don’t know if Johnson helped outside California.
Johnson was re-elected Governor in 1914 running as a Progressive – the biggest victory for the Progressive Party in 1914.