On June 20, the Reform Party held an on-line presidential convention. Rocky De La Fuente, who was the party’s nominee in 2016, is again the party’s nominee. He received 17 votes. MaxAbramson received 4; Ben Zion received one. Soraya Faas had withdrawn before the vote and endorsed De La Fuente.
The Reform Party is only on the ballot in Florida. It has no party officers in Mississippi any longer, so has lost its qualified status there.
De La Fuente is also the nominee this year of the Alliance Party.
The vice-presidential nominee is Darcy Richardson.
RP ballot access lawyers ANY better than LP/Green BAAAAADE ballot access lawyers ???
Sounds lIke a waste of time. The Florida party already said what they want to do a while ago. These 20 people on their phone call or zoom don’t control any ballot lines in reality.
Representative Abramson was the better choice, he gives the party more credibility and would preform better in the general election.
You are correct Ian but Max didn’t have any employees as delegates.
Abramson likely lacks the funding to get on many state ballots.
Credibility and mad max Abramson don’t even belong in the same sentence. Good luck Rocky!
Rocky isn’t going to put the Reform Party on any additional ballots. He’s more loyal to the Alliance Party. The Reform Party will probably only be on in Florida and that party seems to want to affiliate itself with the Alliance Party. The Florida Reform Party chairman is listed on the Alliance Party website as the chairman of the Alliance Party of Florida.
That guy isn’t on the Alliance state chairs page anymore, and the RPFL was taken off as an affiliate.
https://www.theallianceparty.com/party_directory
Look under Florida
https://www.theallianceparty.com/state_chairs
This link says the FL chair is Mark Cardenas. Honestly at this point, WTF is even happening? Is the RPFL in or out?
I guess it is a good thing in the sense that they are moving closer to putting the Reform Party name to rest. It was a huge deal in American politics 20-24 years ago and has been dragged through the mud ever since. Do the honorable thing and dissolve it already.
It feels like all it has been is a young guy putting out press releases. That’s not a political party.
How is that honorable? Who is this “Michigan Voter” who constantly calls for the Reform Party to be dissolved? Are you with the Alliance Party? Are you a De La Fuente employee?
What is wrong in Reform party wanting to collaborate with Alliance party? There are a lot of centrist parties competing in the US presidential elections. It would be better to unite and present a common candidate. Reform party will always exist because of its rich history. That is why it will not merge with Alliance party. If it does then good chance a new party will adopt Reform Party as its name. Prohibition party once tried to change its name and another party tried to reclaim Prohibition name. So if parties will decide to eventually merge one day it could be under Reform party name.
Alliance really isn’t a good name because of its association with the National Alliance, especially if it’s placing people with past associations with white supremacists in leadership positions.
Is this Max Abramson this same person who ran for the LP nomination?
James Ogle didn’t get any votes?
Same mad max.
Goo ogle/ more than 2 genders
One more under 1.00 pct party in 2020 ??? —
esp in about 8 marginal Prez States – commie Biden vs fascist Trump.
No third party will get even close to 1 % in 2020. The reform party will be lucky if they get 1% of 1%.
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I rarely predict anything about election returns, but I predict the Libertarian Party will get more than 1% for president in 2020. The polls are trending so strongly against President Trump that I believe the election will not be perceived as close. That will have a big impact on the “other” vote.
https://electoral-vote.com/
That seems quite unlikely. Libertarian candidates for president got 0.3 to 0.5 percent from 1984 to 2008 and only nominating a former governor got them out of that range in 2012 and 2016. It doesn’t look like there is anything that would elevate their candidates above that normal performance range this year.
The polls between Trump and Biden are likely to narrow closer to the election, are closer in the battleground states indicating the likelihood of another electoral win even with a popular vote loss for the republicans, and many people trust polls less after they assumed a Clinton win last time.
To be fair, the LP has made pretty substantial gains in registered voters since ’08. Correct me if I’m wrong, but would the LP get 0.5-0.6% just from their own RVs if they turn out proportionally?
It has about 600,000 registered voters now. They don’t all vote and they don’t all vote for the Libertarian presidential candidate when they do vote.
That’s a good point. With that being said, I wonder what the “baseline” would be for the LP nowadays.Sure those 600K don’t all vote for the LP nominee, but there are a lot of states without VR by party (like Texas) where the LP does fairly well.
My guess is it is about exactly where it was in 1984-2008.
Many are afraid to comment about De La Fuente on this site or at IPR because they don’t want to lose out on a paycheck.
What makes you think so?
Look at the FEC records. Many people who comment here or at IPR are or were on his payroll.
Jorgensen has done nothing so far. It wouldn’t shock me if she finished behind the Green candidate. The far left is not a fan of Creepy Joe, unless they realize his dementia means he’s only a puppet, and the Soros types will be the real ones in charge,
How many states will De La Fuente be on the ballot? What about Blankenship?
Saturn-
De La Fuente will get on the ballot in a decent amount of states, but not get close to LP/GP numbers.
He will put up CP-level numbers in the states he is on the ballot.
To put it in baseball terms, he will be an accumulator of votes, not receiving them by percentage but on being in more states than others. He will finish 6th, maybe 5th or 7th. Are you happy? Any why do you care about De La Fuente so much?
What is your biggest concern about Rocky? I’m sure the running for 9 offices at once is a concern to some people, not to mention running with every party under the sun.
The subject of this article is Rocky De La Fuente but nobody is talking about him or how he bought this nomination and how he’s been trying to buy the AIP nomination by paying large sums of money to Mark Seidenberg.
Agreed with bdr, Jorgensen will likely be in 4th behind Hawkins and no third party will do as well or better than in 2016. Rocky will probably do worse than in 2016 as well. I think the cumulative total of all third party votes for president this year will be lucky if they break 1% and none will even come close by themselves.
The reason I think Jorgensen will come in third is that there are so many Republicans who do not like Trump any longer.
Regardless if all of the registered Libertarians vote, they still have a 2-3x advantage in terms of registered voters. That alone tells me they will get third, especially since the media will not give any attention to the Green nominee lest they “steal” votes from Biden.
The former republicans I know or know of who aren’t for Trump are all for Biden. Not really for him but as an alternative to Trump. Likewise many democrats don’t think Biden is a great choice but they will still vote for him because they see it as the only way to get trump out.
Howie Hawkins is completely unknown, has no money, and the Greens will again fail to get 50-state access. The Green Party has finished behind the LP for four presidential elections in a row. Jorgensen is the only non old white guy candidate. The LP has about two-and-a-half times the voter registration of the Greens.
This idea that any other alternative party candidate is going to beat Jo has no basis in reality.
He’s a lot better as a campaigner. Look at his runs for governor. I wouldn’t count times the greens split their vote with Nader as an independent or times when libertarians had exgovernors run. It remains to be seen which if any third parties get 50 states this year. It’s true that Hawkins is a male and Jorgensen is a female, but I’m not sure if that will help her much. None of them are younger than 60.
Additionally, and again I’m not sure this makes any difference, but it also appears that in addition to all being over 60, both major party presidential nominees and those of all three of the largest third parties will also be white.
That leaves “guy” but as president hill and president jill can tell you it’s not the biggest factor.
“The reason I think Jorgensen will come in third is that there are so many Republicans who do not like Trump any longer.”
If that were true, Weld and Walsh would have put up better numbers in the Republican primaries. The Libertarian Party would have been better served to pit forward a candidate who could appeal to Bernie voters who are unhappy with Biden.
True, trump has 90 percent plus support among Republicans. About the only place you can find never Trump Republicans is on democratic leaning media.
If you take just the states which had both registered Libertarians AND where there was a Libertarian presidential candidate on the ballot for the years 1996 – 2008, the two columns for those 4 election years sum to 884,921 registered Libertarians and 838,561 presidential votes. So, the presidential vote total was about 95% of the registered Libertarian total.
If the same holds true for 2020, and the LP has roughly 625,000 registered Libertarians by election day, that translates to roughly 594,000 votes. Add in the other 20-something states which don’t have L voter registrations and that’s around 1 million.
It will take around 1.4 million to get 1%. It’s a possibility.
William Saturn,
I am an informed voter who lives in Michigan. I research every race and proposal on the ballot and make an informed choice on each vote. Sometimes I vote for third party candidates. Sometimes I vote for independents. Sometimes I vote for major party candidates. Sometimes I vote yes on proposals and sometimes I vote no.
I also am a student of history and a great admirer of Ross Perot and the efforts to build the Reform Party. The remnant now is just an embarrassment. I do not work for Rocky or the Alliance Party. Frankly, I don’t get the guy. He might as well start a bonfire with money. He would have been better served pouring all that money into a state legislative race and he probably could have won.
Hasn’t De la Fuente won a lot of ballot access lawsuits? I thought that was his goal, not winning the election.
He says his goal is to built a “political dynasty.” Whatever that means.
Jim, I think that was a coincidence. Not nearly that high of a percentage of registered libertarians vote, or vote for L.P. Presidential candidates when they do. Not nearly that high of a percentage of the people who do vote for them are registered libertarians. It’s interesting that for certain years the numbers were close, but I don’t see how that has predictive information for what will happen this year.
I don’t get the impression that Rocky actually wants to be elected to anything.
Rocky has filed a lot of ballot access lawsuits. I’m not, however, aware of him having won many. My impression from past reading here is that he generally piled up a lot of losses.
If we add Nader 2004 and 2008 to the green totals those years they did much better than libertarians. Of course they did much better in 2000, but we can write that off to Nader having much higher name recognition and not yet being blamed by many of his support base for getting republicans elected, allegedly. In 2012 and 2016 the libertarians did much better, but only by running former governors. Stein 2016 was impressive as she did much better than either greens or libertarians ever have for president without running someone who was a well known celebrity or former governor and without a billionaire on the ticket. So I think Hawkins can build on that and his impressive totals for governor. The libertarian campaign does not seem very well run and probably will not do well by their standards. I’m guessing around 500,000 votes.
The only reason Howie did well in his runs for NY governor is because NY is one of only a couple of states where there are more registered Greens than Libertarians. At the time there were more than 3x as many greens compared to Libertarians in NY. The country as a whole is the exact opposite. Looking at the numbers from his NY gov runs will not produce fruitful predictions. Given how many NY democrats hate Cuomo compared to Biden he may actually get lower numbers than his gov runs
Of course turnout for Libertarians isn’t 95%, and some of them do not vote for the LP presidential candidate. But the ones who don’t turnout were more or less a wash with non-Libertarian voters who voted for the LP. I don’t see why that wouldn’t continue.
And yes, it isn’t always predictive. In 2012, for example, instead of being about 1:1, the voter to registered voter ratio was greater than 2:1. But we weren’t counting the Johnson years.
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If Rocky wants to build a “dynasty”. he need to find an issue, and build a constituency, that no one else has. Then, his getting on the ballot in so many places might have a greater purpose.
footnote trivia question –
who has been nominated for USA Prez by the most political parties ???
new record coming in 2020 ???
Does Rocky have any issues? I don’t know a single thing he stands for. Does anyone?
The greens had a variety of candidates for governor who have done better and worse than each other in N.Y. And in other states. The same is true for the libertarians. It’s inaccurate and unfair to claim that Hawkins performance in those races was a function of party voter registration. Likewise for the libertarians the difference between redlich, glogowski and Sharpe was not because of voter registration. Stein didn’t do better than McKinney and Cobb because of voter registration.
My prediction for the top 4 popular vote numbers nationally
1. Trump
2. Biden
3. Hawkins
4. Jorgensen
If de la fuente gets ca he may be in 5th, otherwise that would probably be Blankenship.
@ Orville: That’s my point. Nobody associates Rocky with any particular issues – unless you consider ballot access an issue in itself.
Has he done anything good for ballot access? Don’t his lawsuits usually lose?
Rocky de la Fuente has won one ballot access related lawsuit of which I am aware. He won a lawsuit in Virginia against a requirement that presidential electors had to put their full Social Security Number on their Declarations of Candidacy.
How many has he lost?
Why did Faas drop out and endorse Rocky? Very odd. Is the Reform Party of Florida now part of the Alliance Party or not?
She had a reason for endorsing Rocky but doesn’t want to discuss it publicly yet.
He must of paid her off.
Congrats Rocky. On to victory!
“He must of paid her off.”
That’s not what happened.
Are you taking her at her word or do you have independent verification?
She has an explanation. Her endorsement was only for the Reform nomination.
Of course, the question was whether her explanation, whatever it is, is true.
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