California Elections Code 13205 says, in part, “Additional instructions to voters shall appear on the ballot…In elections when electors of President and Vice President of the United States are to be chosen, there shall be placed upon the ballot an instruction as follows: ‘To vote for all of the electors of a party, stamp a cross in the square opposite the names of the presidential and vice-presidential candidates of that party. A cross stamped in the square opposite the name of a party and its presidential and vice presidential candidate is a vote for all the electors of that party, but no other candidates.'”
Leaders of the American Independent Party have noticed that 53 of the 58 counties did not include this instruction on the November 3, 2020 ballot. The only counties that did include the language are Alpine, Inyo, Kern, Nevada, and Santa Barbara.
My own sample ballot, from San Francisco, merely says, “Federal”. Below that is “President and Vice President.” Below that, “Vote for One Party”. Below that are the names of candidates for president and vice president, with a party label. The words “presidential electors” do not appear. I checked my collection of ballots and it appears the last time a San Francisco County ballot included the words “presidential electors” was the 1972 ballot. Thus, the problem seems to be an old one.
Most states have laws that require general election ballots in presidential years to explain that the voters are really voting for elector candidates.
Most sane regimes have sample local ballots sent to state hacks for checking formats.
sooo — void Prez elections ??? good luck !!!
How many States survive without a CA type instruction ???
Voters are supposed to know ALL laws – esp the stste’s election laws.
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More reasons to abolish the ANTI-Democracy minority rule EC and ALL the junk in it.
Maine-Nebraska style single presidential elector districts and go back to printing the names of the actual electors on the ballots. This will make it easier for independent and minor party candidates to secure ballot access. You should obviously be supporting and promoting this idea, Richard.
While choosing district electors in itself might be a good idea, I don’t see how that would improve ballot access.
Walter, because in difficult states like Oklahoma, California, etc., a party would at least be able to successfully petition in a few districts and at least get a shot at SOME electoral votes instead of none at all.
Clearly California electoral votes shouldn’t and won’t be accepted by the congressional session presided over by VP PENCE in January, by the Supreme Court, Senate etc. Case settled, TRUMP stays. Let’s all celebrate and fore guns in the air.
Should read fire.
@ Jeff: having to petition by electoral district would be a horrible burden for a minor party. I don’t think that you have thought this idea through.
57 gerrymander EC areas in 202.
mere 538 EC gerrymander areas in 2024 ???
For any new folks —
1/2 or less votes x 1/2 rigged gerrymander areas = 1/4 or less CONTROL = oligarchy — with major monarch trends.
ie Biden elected Prez by about 25-28 pct of voters in about 24 States/DC —
regardless of the fascist BAN resident troll moron.
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PR and AppV
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Even in the two states that apportion presidential votes by congressional district, Maine and Nebraska, there is no petition to place a presidential ticket on the ballot by congressional district.
Hardly anyone would take a presidential ticket seriously that was only on the ballot in one, or a few, congressional districts in a state, in states that have more than one US House district.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/politics/democrats-nominate-nancy-pelosi-for-another-term-as-speaker-as-she-suggests-it-could-be-her-last.html
Who is more Red commie senile from the 1960s — Biden or Pelosi ???
@ Andy – The idea would be that folks could run as their own presidential elector. Instead of petitioning the party onto the statewide ballot and then requiring the candidate to list his/her slate of presidential electors, the electors themselves would petition onto the ballot, be listed by name (and optionally with a national nominee) on the ballot, and then campaign in their respective districts for their national candidate. They could campaign as a Trump supporter flying Trump flags, or as a Biden supporter wearing their Rona mask and standing in a little circle, etc.
Biden electors can wave the Chinese flag and carry pictures of Chairman Mao.
The “American Independent Party” is NEITHER! Newsom should have vaporized it while he had the chance! FUCKING MORON!
These elections were rigged. Thank goodness for Infowars and other groups exposing this. The commies will not take away our rights!
Presidential Electors questions I’ve had rolling around in my head. Maybe Richard Winger can answer them.
1. Shouldn’t None of the Above in Nevada have electors assigned to it? That way you can vote for electors that at the Electoral College can cast ballots for “none of the candidates” that were on the ballot.
2. Or why can’t there be an “Uncommitted” option on the ballot. Some state parties in primaries or caucuses have Uncommitted as an option. This would be like the Unpledged Electors option a couple Southern states had in the ’50s and ’60s.
True the elections were rigged. We’re not going to let them get away with it. The Biden flag has three red flags forming the e in Biden which is the symbol of chairman Mao’s great leap forward mass starvation in red China which Biden plans to bring here if he was allowed to take office, which he won’t be.
Michigan state board of canvassers will not certify Wayne county so Michigan will go to TRUMP. They will not be bullied by burn loot murder criminal thug gangsters in Detroit like the county board was. In Georgia the first recount found thousands of additional TRUMP votes and there will be a second recount. That’s just the very beginning. Face it, they will be a smooth transition to a TRUMP holy EMPIRE.
Should read there.
How many New Age bribes and death threats for the various election folks — top to bottom [esp partisan HACKS] — including any lawyers and judges who get involved ???
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Reason Mag Dec 2020 has a story about the LAWLESS tyrant killers in the French Revolution.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror
USA almost in a state of terror ??? — due to all govts in USA now taxing/borrowing/spending about 40 pct of USA GDP [was a mere 10 pct in 1929 – a mere 91 years ago].
NOOOO shortage of wannabee LAWLESS tyrant killers in Devil City ???
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/11/19/gop-canvassers-attempt-rescind-votes-certify-wayne-county-vote/3775246001/
GOP canvassers try to rescind votes to certify Wayne County election
nonstop zoo / circus / soap opera / drama continues.
How many bribes and threats ???
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QS can rave more ???
The commie burn loot murder criminals intimidated REPUBLICAN canvassers into certifying fraudulent votes in Detroit but that will NOT happen at the state level and the electors will go to TRUMP JUST LIKE CALIFORNIA’S AND THAT’S JUST THE START.
CA for Trump ??? Laugh of the Day.
Must be some new high tech mind alter drugs used by the BAN resident troll moron —
way beyond LSD in the 1960s.
…you will see the reason why TRUMP will carry California, no drugs required.
Trollers gotta troll.
Just stop taking the dirty money from Google, Soros and Satan. There are other ways you can earn a living, worship TRUMP, save your soul and sleep better at night.
…you can stop trolling.
Currently as of one hour ago, the number of ballots in California that did not comply with CA Election Code 13205(b) as amended by AB 623 effective 1 January 2020 stands at 17,322,719 if one overlooks the write-in and the over and under vote. This means that only 563,758 ballots in California based on CA Elections Code 13200 should be cast and counted. That means that nearly 97% of the ballots in California are flawed and should note be legally cast or counted.
No Circle Targets on any Los Angeles County Ballot. 5.6 million ballots were issued by the Los Angeles County ROV Dean Logan. The instructions on all of the ballots to vote are to “fill in the circle to the left of your choice”.
Note the are no circles to the left on any candidates on the LA County 5.6 million ballots. There are only ovals targets. An oval is not circle. Also the instruction listed in AB 623 as CA Elections Code 13205(b) and 13205(c) do
not appear on any of these LA Count flawed 5.6 million ballots. Even though AB 623 became effective on 1 January 2020.
What was the presidential vote if we only count the few California counties which conducted their election legally? Is anything being done about this as part of the stop the steal legal effort?
Those 5 counties sound like Trump counties to me except maybe Santa Barbara.
If California electoral vote went to Trump he would win.
This sounds like it should be a huge story. Why is it not all over the more unbiased major media like newsmax, oan, Limbaugh, infowars, ny post, etc? Maybe someone should contact them and others?
Good idea. Anyone here up for it?
Mark Seidenberg, who all did you report this to?
In Los Angeles County within Pre. # 9001999A in Woodland Hills which Trump call out as 2000 votes, but
in fact was 2102 flawed ballot, only 20 voted on the first ballot mailing and the second ballot mailing was the second set of flawed LA County Ballots.
As for the HAVA Type Ballots in Los Angeles County
the total of that vote which did not require the instructions in 13205(b) was 25,212 votes. Therefore the good ballots in Los Angeles County out of 5.6 million ballots would be
25,232 good ballots.
To: libertarians for Giuliani,
Alex Olvera
Why not more news organizations like the ones mentioned above?
You would be better off talking to top notch libertarian journalists like Alex Jones, Roger Stone, Rush Limbaugh and Lou Dobbs, and libertarian attorneys like Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell.
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
Seidenberg is probably too lazy for that.
Are you saying he lacks intestinal fortitude?
No one in the msm appears to have noticed, that’s for sure.
I think it could have legs.
Not with the lazy incompetents who’ve failed to even attempt to make it a bigger story it doesn’t.
You may have a point there.