Independent Political Report has this interesting message from Jo Jorgensen, who reports she has recently received hateful e-mail from some Trump supporters, and some Biden supporters. Each group assumes the votes she received would have gone to the candidate backed by the message-sender.
They would have gone to TRUMP but luckily HE will defeat the coup plotters and stay in office anyway.
“The Trump fans honestly believe you all would have voted for Trump — if only I hadn’t been on the ballot. Meanwhile, the Biden voters think you all would have voted Biden. They don’t have a clue.”
Right.
“I know from campaigning all across America that the vast majority of my support came from people like you, who were never going to vote for Trump or Biden.”
Right, again. That’s certainly the way I feel. No regrets voting for Jorgensen. In fact, I’m GLAD she was there for me.
Jo’s response to the “You wasted your vote” comment was very good.
Anyone have an analysis of how the voting went down for President in Maine, being it was the first time Ranked Choice Voting was used for President?
@ Andy: Apparently, Trump got 50%+ in District 2, and Biden got 50%+ in district 1, and overall, so the #2 votes didn’t come into play. I hope they publish them, anyway.
Here’s a link that shows all the #1 votes from Maine:
https://www.centralmaine.com/2020/11/03/2020-election-results/
Which only demonstrates that alleged “patriots” within the Trump-pet Cult champion classless society.
Does that make them communists?
@ Floyd Whitney: You got that right. Trump has transformed the Republican Party into the Vulgarian Party. A guy named Roger Price wrote a book back in the 1970’s called The Great Roob Revolution. It predicts and describes the Trump movement very well, IMO.
Trumpeters seem to believe in votes entitlements. Bottom line, the gentleman did not earn a second term of office. So, my vote could not go for Trump, the Tropicana Mongrel; nor could it go to “Plugs,” the Delaware Dandy. The only legitimate option was Dr. Jorgensen.
She at least had qualifications desperately needed in the US these days–organizational psychology PhD and an MBA.
She stood on downsizing the federal estate, eliminating redundant/inefficient cabinet offices, and putting a stop to the profligate consumption of long term public debt for what are in fact short term operational expenditures…i.e. streamline the federal organizational mindset.
Tropicana talked a good game, but he just didn’t play one. Our Chinese trade deficit speaks to that. It is my experience that those with an alligator mouth usually has a canary ass. And so he did.
Jo Jorgensen got 2% of the vote in each of Maine’s two congressional districts, and since Trump won one district, and Biden won the other district, this detracts from the “wasted vote” argument.
@ Andy:
The split between districts in Maine in spite of Jorgensen’s 2% in both and overall, shows, indeed, that neither Democrats nor Republicans have any entitlement to Jorgensen’s votes.
ASS in ASSume.
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REAL libertarians do not vote for statist EVIL – left or right versions.
She cost Trump the election. I am glad Trump supporters are giving her shit. She is liberal in Libertarian clothes. If these “smart” Libertarians researched her thoroughly they would have totally rebuked her.
Andy – ME RCV math
https://www.maine.gov/sos/cec/elec/results/index.html
will take a while.
@AnotherVoice hey dumbass the main libertarian faction is classical LIBERALS. Always have been…. anybody that says otherwise is an uneducated ignorant fool. The other factions are minarchists, anarcho-capitalists, democratic socialists (aka libertarian socialists), anarcho-socialists, and anarcho-communists. Trump is a scumbag nationalist asshole (aka an authoritarian social democrat)…. no genuine libertarian would have voted for him. I literally voted down ballot Democrat in any election that didn’t have a libertarian (my first choice) or a green (my second choice).
@Another Voice And by the way your post is full of cognitive dissonance… she cost trump the election but is a liberal? That’s fucking fascinating.
Anarcho-communists reject property rights, thetefore, they are NOT libertarians.
If it makes anyone feel any better – rest assured that I have no expectations or false hopes for President Biden. There are reasons that I didn’t vote for HIM. Nevertheless, I have NO regrets of having cast my vote for Jorgensen – so I do not consider my vote as “wasted” (as I didn’t in 2016 when I voted for Johnson, even tho he probably did more to “spoil” Hillary than Jill Stein ever did.)
I am the most libertarian of all libertarians and even I voted for the most libertarian candidate in the race: Donald Trump
I would add most libertarian of all time, Donald TRUMP.
She would of cost TRUMP the election but she will win anyway and she is a Marxist ho.
Have.
@Troll: “I voted for the most libertarian candidate in the race: Donald Trump” Good for you. That’s the beauty of the American system.
Don’t like the guy elected last time? Then get rid of him next time. Not complicated. And really, either way, it’s no big deal, since there ain’t a gnat’s assed difference between the duopoly parties anyhow.
Trump lost. Get over it. Put up somebody electable by the electorate in 2024.
Nothing you typed made any sense. None of the wackos you mention are libertarian. Libertarians are people like Augustus Invictus, Eric Dondero, Chris Cantwell, Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr, Charles Murray, Hans Hoppe, David Macko, Rudy Giuliani, Tom Cotton, Richard Spencer, Tucker Carlson, Lew Rockwell, Christopher Chase Rachels, etc. Communists, socialists, demon rats, greenie weenies and liberals can never be libertarian. Libertarian means right wing, period. And Marxist jo the Marxist ho stole votes from the real libertarian TRUMP by pretending to be libertarian when she’s really a commie burn loot murder plant.
Trump won. Get over it.
Jorgensen is a Marxist, so I’m sure she is happy with Dementia Joe Biden.
TRUMP will still rule us all in 2025. And in 3025, and 23025, and forever. Except for those of you who will be being tortured in hell all that time.
Phil gets it. Too bad for them TRUMP is staying.
Google demons changed my comment again. Their punishment is coming.
Egghead is confused. The TRUMP society is all about class and hierarchy. TRUMP is at the top and is King of all kings, LORD of all lords and Boss of all bosses. Below are TRUMP family members, military ranks, bosses, church leaders, sports owners and players of different ranks, and so on. All very much ranked. Men are superior to women and whites are superior to other races. Law enforcement is superior to civilians. USA is superior to foreign crapholes. Everything is all about class, rank and hierarchy and the opposite of communist, that is libertarian.
And libertarian is not communist. GOOGLE and eggheads be damned. We are the champions, you are the losers.
So suck it, losers.
Obviously, the resident troll is “really” in great need of remedial basic math skill. But, it’s impolite to highlight another’s mental handicaps.
Ah well. Proverbs 29-9 certainly applies.
TRUMP WON
You ZERO
Good lord some of these comments. I’m a Green and even I know Trump is no Libertarian or even a libertarian. He’s far too authoritarian to be one; Libertarians are typically not in the habit of threatening to lock up their political opposition simply because they’re political opposition, which is one reason why many Greens like myself are willing to work with them on the issues we agree on, which is essentially everything but economics (Jorgensen is no Marxist; you’re looking for Gloria La Riva there). Both our parties are in the same boat, being subjected to election rigging and political intimidation at the hands of the two-party state and its supporters.
Doesn’t at all surprise me. Trumpers gotta Trump.
Notice how the troll above, possibly Paul, maybe somebody else, spewed out a list of names, which included some libertarians, with some people who are clearly not libertarians. This was done because the troll is trying to smear right libertarians via guilt-by-association with people who are on the right who are NOT libertarians. This is another Marxist revolutionary subversion tactic.
The Green and Libertarian Parties should look in the mirror before pointing fingers at others.
All political parties in USA use the insider Old Boy Network where behind the scenes strings get pulled from the inside to block out new names and new ideas.
The One Party protects all voters’ free speech to where everyone is what they proclaim, ink on paper, digital or rhetoric, and how they registered with the state is their own business.
The 539-party System;
http://www.pprelectoralcollege.com
The One Party is the perfect partner in all two-winner election districts; One/Your Party (or independent) or Your Party (or independent)/One.
At the top or bottom of the ticket we want to be the first One. It’s new math where one vote always breaks a 50/50 tie with absolutely no exceptions under ranked choice voting (RCV) in multiple-winner election districts.
As Marx said:
“All people are born alike – except Republicans and Democrats”
How much inbreeding in the top hacks in the USA —–
as in Europe in June-Aug 1914 ???
Can students find LITTLE DE on a world map —
— with its blow-hard ex- and current USA Senators esp. ???
…who or what a libertarian is. TRUMP is libertarian who is liberating our people from being dominated by foreigners, inferior races, tranny tyranny, commies, alien reptiles, sharia law, pedowood, cultural Marxism, race mixing, demon rats, antifa, Satan, Soros, burn loot murder, feminazis, and the rest of our evil enemies. He is letting us be PROUD of being White, Straight, Christian, Born in the USA straight White Men once again and even allowing us to proudly fly our ancestral Confederate Flag. There can be nothing more libertarian than that. It is the essence of liberty and you greenie weenie commie losers can go suck EGGS.
…ho horgensen is just as Marxist as Gloria la Riva, commie la Harris and Joe Stalin Biden. Some Marxists are more honest than others but they all want exactly the same thing which is hell on earth and total subjugation to Satan.
..between real libertarians and greenie weenie commies. Only fake lootertarians are cooperating with greenie weenie commies because they are also commies just less honest about it. Real libertarians are GOP FOR TRUMP ALL THE WAY.
Real libertarians want a one party state with planet earth and all other planets being the private property of TRUMP. SO IF THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU WANT YOU ARE NOT A REAL LIBERTARIAN BUT A LOOTERTARIAN TRYING TO TAKE FROM TRUMP WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY HIS.
First up Andy YOU are the troll and fake libertarian not me. Secondly everyone on my list is libertarian. Libertarian means right wing. If you are right wing you are libertarian. If you are not right wing you are not libertarian. It really is that simple. You are not a real libertarian, you are a subversive Marxist lootertarian masquerading as a libertarian to mislead people to vote for burn loot murder Marxist subversive ho horgensen lootertarian masquerading as libertarian and against the real libertarian TRUMP. YOU WORK FOR GOOGLE, SOROS AND SATAN, AND AGAINST PUTIN, TRUMP, POLAND AND WHITE CHRISTIAN HUNGARY. YOU are not on the side of true libertarians and Nordic astronauts of yore.
The troll above is NOT a legitimate Trump supporter. This person is posing as a Trump supporter, and purposely spitting out a few things that are true, but also mixing in crazy and more extreme sounding stuff, in order to make Trump supporters look bad. This person is likely a Joe Biden supporter, or, is at least working with a group that wants Biden as President because they believe that their agenda can be better served by a Bu
iden/Harris administration. They are also engaging in a dual purpose of smearing libertarians, and trying to divide and conquer them, by calling Jo Jorgensen a Marxist, and also by lumping right leaning libertarians in with people who are clearly not libertarian, as a means of tarnishing the actual libertarians they mention via guilt-by-association. I can see right through your tactics.
I wonder how much this troll gets paid to post here, or do they do this as a volunteer?
So, why SHOULD have all those Marxists who voted for Jorgensen voted for Trump instead?
What a shame a third party candidate has to have that abuse. Americans need more choices on the ballots and easier ballot access for candidates.
I am a legitimate TRUMP worshipper and libertarian. Andy is a troll who works for Google, Soros, Satan, Iran and red China. He is a Marxist demon rat pretending to be a libertarian. But he voted for Marxist burn loot murder lootertarian ho horgensen because he has a Marxist burn loot murder lootertarian just like her. Or he claims he did but he probably really voted for Joe Stalin Biden which she probably did too.
Andy claims I said something crazy or extreme or making TRUMP worshippers look bad. That is bs. Andy is the one who looks bad. Andy claims I am a troll and a Joe Stalin Biden supporter which is actually what he is. He works for Google which is really a front for Soros and Satan. They are trying to steal the election from TRUMP but we will never ever let them in a googolplex years.
Andy is trying to smear and divide the right by falsely claiming some of us are not libertarians. I am working to unite the right just like in Charlottesville where many fine people, all of them libertarians, marched to unite the right and protect our heritage. He is trying to smear, tarnish and conquer us but we will prevail because TRUMP is with us and we have faith in HIM and pray to HIM.
Ho horgensen stands with burn loot murder. Burn loot murder is Marxist. Andy stands with ho horgensen. Andy is Marxist. I can see through his tactics. So can you. I don’t care how much Google, Soros, Satan, red China, Iran, Venezuela and demon rats pay him. I don’t want their money. All I want is TRUMP as ruler of the universe for all eternity. Forever and ever amen.
Should read is a Marxist burn loot murder lootertarian just like her.
Is the BAN resident troll is a re-hatched nazi after being run-over by a Russian tank in Jan. 1943 at Stalingrad ???
Clean up election mess next week – Trump and his trolls gang surrender ???
Is it a 2024 Prez candidate ???
Most of the votes jo Jorgensen the Marxist burn loot murder ho got were not from Marxists. She hid her true Marxist nature and pretended to be a libertarian to get confused libertarians to vote for her instead of the real libertarian TRUMP. Actual Marxists voted for Joe Biden Stalin which she probably did too just like Andy who is a Marxist running the same fakeout play right here. It won’t work here just like we the people won’t let them get away with it on the presidential election.
Are the Nazi leftist troll. I am a right-wing capitalist libertarian like Bob Barr, William Barr, Wayne Root and all TRUMP, q ANON, proud boys and boogaloo boys, sons of CONFEDERATE veterans etc etc. TRUMP will never surrender and will never leave office. There won’t be any more elections so there won’t be any more candidates in 2024, 20240, 202400 or any other year.
Jorgensen supports BLM, that’s not libertarian. Jorgensen wants a mask mandate, that’s not libertarian. Jorgensen had support from outright Marxists, Richard Winger himself posted an article stating so.
I wanted a real libertarian to vote for, and once again I didn’t get it. Castle in 2016 was the closest thing since what, 2004?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi!
the alleged *You demon rat*.
Send all Trump troll posts to Biden’s new AG / FBI / DHS folks.
make room for it in a mental ward of Fed slammer.
Demo Rep, Ogle, and Milnes are the ones in the mental ward, probably sharing the same padded cell.
6 MORE BAN RESIDENT TROLL POSTS IN A ROW –
QUOTA PER DAY/WEEK/MONTH/YEAR ???
Notice how the level of conversation here always goes downhill whenever this troll shows up.
Whatever Nathan. I’m not playing your bipolar games here. Yet it is entertaining.
O… K…
I’ve heard a lot of Trump voters express regret that Jorgensen voters didn’t vote for Trump. I haven’t heard too many Jorgensen voters express regret that they didn’t vote for Trump.
As Marx said:
“I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.”