Although state legislatures are barely beginning to work, in at least eight states bills have been introduced for the National Popular Vote Plan. They are Florida (HB 39), Kansas (HB 2002), Minnesota (SF 18), Missouri (HB 267), Pennsylvania (HB 2922), South Carolina (HB 3187), Texas (SB 130), and Virginia (SB 1101).
Of these eight states, the only one with a Democratic majority in each house of the legislature is Virginia. Virginia also has a Democratic Governor. Thanks to John Koza for the list of bills.
They’re wasting their time with the legislature, except maybe in Virginia out of that list. NPV organization should focus on ballot initiatives at this point to reach the 270 threshold.
NPV = blatant violation of 14-1 EPC –
Votes OUT of a State determining results IN a State.
RED commies will have to pack SCOTUS also
— in this New Age of RED gerrymander commies on the march.
Agreed.
Ballot initiatives and/or Interstate Compact on NPV.
The reactionary democrats and republicans are just that: status quo.
But thanks for reporting this anyway, Richard.
Socratic Gadfly,
You said in IPR January Open Thread that Babbitt was not murdered.
Previously William S. Saturn had said she was.
I have said here in BAN comments that I wanted an investigation, that it appeared on the video that she was in effect murdered. The plain clothed cop was behind the door they were breaching, around a corner. Babbitt was up and about to go through when the cop shot her close range. She fell back and down on her back unmoving, all but dead.
Why not just arrest her upon her finishing getting through the door, unarmed?
Now, since I cannot reply to your comment there and you have banned me from commenting in your red fascist rag, would you care to discuss this further here?
I do not think Richard would mind, would you Richard?
NPV is an idea whose time has passed. It still doesn’t solve the fundamental problems of plurality voting, and compounded the problems of the Presidential election in a number of ways that aren’t acknowledged by its proponents (e.g. uncounted absentee votes from non-participating states). Maine is showing the way with district and ranked choice voting.
More EC gerrymander district noises in total control Elephant States that Biden won —
ie WI for starters — copy ME and NE.
BUT – NATIONAL gerrymander for USA H. Reps. in the RED commie agenda
— ie MAX RED commie Donkey USA reps — MIN fascist Elephant seats/hacks
— ie PERMANENT RED commie Donkey CONTROL of USA H REPS.
Totally unconstitutional. One state cannot relinquish their sovereignty over on the basis of other states voting outcome.
We need solutions asap.
What are the possibilities of success-a fair and representative election- and how long before it is implemented? IF EVER?
Trump was persuasive when he called the elections rigged because they ARE, but not the way he said.
By Duverger’s Law and the Electoral College.
Red states, Blue states, purple states? Gid doudda he ya!
Uniform definition of Voter in ALL of USA —
USA citizen, 18 + yrs olde — NOOO criminal/mental stuff.
PR and nonpartisan APPV – pending Condorcet
TOTSOP
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Even the the 2021 crop of gerrymander HACKS might detect the R-O-T after the USA barely survives until noon on 20 Jan 2021 — with the wannabee lawless tyrant NUTCASE DJ Trump out of power and in the polisci junkyard forever.
@Another Voice
Of course they can. States can choose their electors in whatever way they wish. If they want to go by the national popular vote winner, they can, the constitution says so.
I agree with Robert. The elections ARE rigged with single member districts and plurality voting. It has been that way since the early 1800’s.
The stuff that happened this week shows another weakness in NPV. What happens when half the states accuse the other half of reporting wrong results? What happens if some states really do report wrong results?
If you going to do popular vote, it needs to be an amendment rather than 51 partisan officials deciding whether they want to play along or pull a Hawley.
How many FELONY invasions of State Capitol bldgs in close statewide office or issue elections ???
Even more oppressive USA and State laws coming soon ???
— due to the Trump MORONS invading the USA Capitol bldg. Duh.
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NOOOO MENTION BY THE JUNK MEDIA OF THE MINORITY RULE GERRYMANDER ROT IN THE USA.
1/2 OR LESS VOTES X 1/2 RIGGED GERRYMANDER AREAS = 1/4 OR LESS CONTROL
=== OLIGARCHS IN CONTROL — ALWAYS WITH LURKING MONARCHS.
USA H REPS / SENATE / EC / ALL 50 STATE LEGIS / MOST LARGER LOCAL GOVTS.
MORE/WORSE LAWLESS PARTISAN TOP EXECS/JUDICS.
MORE/WORSE SOP VIOLATIONS.
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PR AND APPV
TOTSOP
Yes, very well. Add Constitutional Amendment to the list of voting reform and Electoral College reform.
Again, which is better? Fastest? Most effective as to what is wanted.
It might develop that state legislatures run by republicans and democrats get more reluctant as the threshold nears of 270. Kind of like as the 38 states for the Equal Rights Amendment neared (35).
If the national popular vote plan gets enough states so that it is on the verge of taking effect, I think the country really would buckle down and come up with a constitutional amendment to improve the existing system. The Lodge-Gossett Plan of 1950 could conceivably pass. It does not dilute the influence of any state. It merely provides that each state would apportion its electoral voltes proportionately to its own popular vote. The human being electors would be eliminated, and electoral votes would have fractions. The Lodge-Gossett Plan had 4 digits to the right of the decimal point. So if Donald Trump got 70% of the popular vote in Wyoming, he would get 2.1 electoral votes from Wyoming. The plan passed the Senate by the required two-thirds in 1950, but it didn’t get enough support in the US House. Ironically black members of congress from the big urban northern states killed it.
Excellent comment, Richard.
I take it you have no objection to Mr. Gadfly and I discussing shooting an unarmed woman in the chest close range and his red fascist rag here.
I see from IPR comments that Austin Cassidy is the new owner of IPR.
Interesting.
Austin, are you going to correct my being banned from IPR comments?
Might as well for the others also.
Plurality winner elections could be very problematic under NPV. The 1968 election, under NPV, would have seen several states that went for Humphrey give there electoral votes to Nixon. With the partisan nature of the support for NPV, millions of people would be very upset with a similar result today. Another example is 1888 where Cleveland’s popular vote victory was built on large margins in the South. For instance, removing just Texas would have given Harrison a 140,000 vote popular total win.
NOOOO DEFINITION OF ELECTOR-VOTER IN THE NPV SCHEME.
HOW MANY RUSSIA / CHINA VOTERS VOTING IN RED COMMIE STATES FOR USA PREZ/VP — CA, MA, ETC ???
OK. Austin has reinstated my commenting privilege in IPR.
How about all trolls form their own website
— to attack each other nonstop 24/7/365
— and Get O-F-F of BAN ???
BAN —- for adults dealing with the the various fatal election system defects in the USA
—– unequal ballot access laws, gerrymanders, partisan exec/judic hacks, etc etc etc
You can form your troll website at any time demo dem. Let me be the first to wish you good riddance.
Well that did not last long.
All my comments “moderated”.
If a constitutional amendment were proposed, the best way forward would be to create a truly national deliberative body.
(1) Apportion electors among the United States and their territories on the basis of citizen population over the age 18. Require at least one such elector for every 50,000 such persons. This would result in a body of 5100, roughly proportional to the CVAP, and include US territories.
(2) Require popular election of electors. Give Congress plenary authority just like it has over congressional elections.
The reason we have district elections is that Congress requires it. The reason we have at-large election of electors is that Congress can not require district elections. Many smaller states elected representatives at large, and there was concern that the Demo-Reps or Whigs would gain domonance in larger states and mandate at-large election.
Congress might require district elections for electors, but with 616 California electors that is somewhat unlikely. Since apportionment is based on CVAP, districts would also be based on CVAP, so Congress could require proportional representation. They could also regulate ballots and presidential primaries.
At the same time, no method is hardened into the Constitutional.
(3) Electors meet as a single body and choose a President by majority. Let the senate choose its President, and Congress to provide for temporary succession, with a special election to be held within 6 months of a presidential succession.
(4) Repeal superfluous 23rd Amendment.