1. Hourly pay under $$$ 10,000 per hour ???

2. Good.

3. If anyone from the leadership of the NPV organization or in touch with them reads this, why don’t they do state ballot initiatives?

4. Most states don’t have ballot iniatives.

5. Yes, Virginia has no statewide initiative or referendum process via citizen’s petitions.

   The legislature can place an issue on the ballot in any state though.

6. But many do, and npv polls well in all of them, whereas it’s not popular with legislators in those states. Right now mainly only democratic states have npv. It could expand into some toss up and Republican states through initiatives. About half the states have initiatives and most of those do not have npv. Yet it leads in the polls in those states and just a few state initiatives could get it over 270, with the addition of states which already passed it through legislature.

7. Virginia doesn’t but some other states which could get npv to 270 do.

8. Here is a list of initiative states:

   https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/chart-of-the-initiative-states.aspx

9. Compared with the list of npv states on the npv website these are the states which could pass it by initiative and have not passed it yet with evs:

   Alaska 3
   Arizona 11
   Arkansas 6
   Florida 29
   Idaho 4
   Maine 4
   Michigan 16
   Mississippi 6
   Missouri 10
   Montana 3
   Nebraska 5
   Nevada 6
   North Dakota 3
   Ohio 18
   Oklahoma 7
   South Dakota 3
   Utah 6
   Wtoming 3

   Total 143, plus current 196 equals 309, well over 270.

10. Correction 339

11. Just the initiative states with double digit ev alone would get it over 270: AZ, FL, MI, MO, and OH combine for 84 ev, plus current 196 is 280. You could even eliminate Missouri from that list and still get to 270 with just 4 state initiatives.

12. NPV scheme = UNCON violation of 14-1 Amdt —

    having results OUT of State determine results INSIDE State.

    SCOTUS awaits.

13. That’s incorrect. Legislatures can determine on what basis they allocate electoral votes. It could be based on a roll of the dice or if a gopher sees his shadow. They could play a game of hoops to settle it. Or, for example, on the basis of the national popular vote. 100 percent up to each state legislature.

    As for Joe’s question. The reason is probably that the npv organization isn’t much of an organization and lacks much in the way of lists or finances. It doesn’t take much money or membership to do legislative lobbying. But it does to qualify an initiative and wage the pr campaign to pass it. The wiki article on npv says they tried in a few states and failed. That indicated they probably tried to do it with volunteers or below market pay rates on signatures.

    It’s pretty obvious that they won’t get to 270 with legislators. There just aren’t enough democratic trifecta states left where they haven’t passed it. Reappointment from the census will work against them. So they need to move to initiatives. But they don’t know how. They need to hook up with someone who has the money and has done initiatives before such as Mike Bloomberg. The sell should be pretty easy. It’s above water everywhere it’s been polled including red states. The last repug to win a plurality of the npv was Bush Jr in 2004, the last nonincumbent repug was Bush Sr in 1988, and the last one with a democratic incumbent was Reagan in 1980. Bloomberg or someone like that should see the value proposition. So who’s going to reach out and make the call?

14. Failed to get enough signatures, that is. The only places it was up for a vote, where the opposition tried to overturn it, was Colorado, and they won.

15. In case the court wants to be partisan and actually throws out npv after it hits 270 on, ahem, trumped up constipational arguments? I think that would finally be enough for the generally gutless and spineless democrats to get up on their hind legs and poke around in the dark til they stumble on the jar where their testes are shelved, and finally expand the court. The supreme kangaroos probably realize this, so they’ll wisely and correctly, albeit for the wrong reasons, rule that npv is constitutionally a ok.

16. Without ranked choice voting, NPV doesn’t solve the basic problem of plurality voting. You can still get a President elected with a minority of the popular vote.

17. https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

    has V-O-T-E-S by VOTERS — NOT by dice rolls or gopher shadows [yet]

    or even the voodoo entrails of some poor dead critter.

18. ALL the Prezs since 1832 have been de facto elected by about 30 pct of the popular votes in the States/DC having a bare majority of the 12th Amdt EC votes.

    IE – Winner pop votes / EC votes — low to high

    >>> accumulated pop votes and EC votes.

    ——–
    ABOLISH the super nuke timebomb EC — keep counting the about 750,000 DEAD in 1861-1866 Civil War I —

    due to the Nov 1860 minority rule election of Prez A. Lincoln.

    Uniform definition of elector-voter in ALL of the USA —

    USA citizen, 18 + years olde. PERIOD. NOOOO mental/criminal machinations.

    PR- legis
    NONPARTISAN APPV – execs/judics

    both pending Condorcet.

    TOTSOP

19. https://aaui.or.id/members/idnpoker/

    niceee

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