On January 8, New York city Mayor Eric Adams said he supports the idea of letting non-citizens vote for New York city office. This is an extremely strong signal that he will sign the bill that passed the city council last month. See this story. Even if he doesn’t sign the bill, if he doesn’t veto it either, it becomes law. The deadline is the end of the day, Sunday, January 9.
If non-citizens can vote in government elections, what’s the point of becoming a citizen?
This is Democrats trying to swing elections more in their favor.
This kind of nonsense just provides fuel for right-wing paranoia.
The point of becoming a US citizen, for many people who do that, is to get a US passport.
Maybe I need to become an un-citizen and avoid paying federal taxes that citizens do.
Non-citizens still pay taxes, but good luck with that. Also, the council and mayor of NYC can’t give anyone the right to vote in federal or state elections, only city elections. Citizens also have the right to remain in the country even if convicted of a crime, etc.
If a 6 year old buys a candy bar, they pay a sales tax on it, so should 6 year olds be able to vote?
How many ENEMY invaders will be voting in NY City ???
esp Russia/China secret police types — in order to connect with ANTI-Russia/China regime folks and then kill them ???
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Earlier — LEGAL immigrants who registered to become USA naturalized Citizens {after 5 years of good behavior] in some Western States were allowed to vote in State elections].
NOT sure about olde USA Territories.
A US passport is in some ways not one of the best passports to have. The USA is one of the few countries in this world that taxes its citizens for money they earn outside the USA, even if they are gone all year, or for years. Also, I think there are a few countries Americans are not supposed to visit, like Cuba, and North Korea. You can still visit these countries, but I think you have to go to another country first, and then go there from that other country.
Richard: Actually, I thought the point was tax evasion, especially if they renounce their former citizenship, setting aside Andy’s caveat.
Austin (and I’ll probably due a post at IPR soon): the Greens’ Texas guv candidate has the same stance.
Do any other major cities do this?
I think this is a horrible idea. Even for a leftist/progressive society. It’s really an unnecessary challenge to the integrity of government. I think if you’re going to have discrete municipalities you must start by defining your population. If someone is a noncitizen that means they are a citizen elsewhere. You shouldn’t be claiming them. How about Nassau County? Can people from that place vote in NYC elections? That would be terrible. Elections shouldn’t be about trying to establish an ideal state that voters may or may not reside within. They should be about organizing things in a way is a reasonable compromise for people who live where the voters are cast.
Can I go to NYC the day of the election and vote, even though I live hours away?
If this passes, NYC should not receive a penny of federal or state aid of any kind. If the state of NY gives them any money they should get none from the federal government until NYC does away with this nonsense either. No federal aid or services to NYC residents while this is happening. Don’t allow them to get on federally regulated flights. buses or trains. Do not accept their drivers licenses as valid if they get pulled over outside NYC. This can not be tolerated at the federal or state level.
Oh yeah, don’t allow their congressional representatives to vote either. Consider them expelled. Maybe just send federal troops to NYC, to quell the insurrection? And no, not some phony “insurrection” like the staged J6 event, this is a real insurrection. It’s not OK to allow hostile agents of foreign governments to just take over our biggest city by illegally invading our country. That is an act of treason. City council members who voted for it, and the mayor if he allows it to happen, should be tried for treason and executed.
San Francisco, CA, allows non-citizens, including illegal aliens, to vote in school board elections.
Then the same should be done with them. Any illegal who is caught should always be deported, and only Citizens who meet all the other qualifications of voting should ever be allowed to vote. A city which allows non-citizens to vote is betraying this country. What if foreigners elect the city leadership and turn over the port and airport to a hostile foreign power, or let them have data shared by federal intelligence services with city first responder and emergency management agencies, etc? And anchor babies need to removed together with their parents too. We need to finish the wall and save America. And we need a deportation force and troops at the border.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2022/01/09/noncitizens-vote-new-york-dreamers-immigrants/49628681/
Watershed moment in NYC: New law allows noncitizens to vote
Bobby Caina Calvan | Associated Press
New York – More than 800,000 noncitizens and “Dreamers” in New York City will have access to the ballot box – and could vote in municipal elections as early as next year – after Mayor Eric Adams allowed legislation to automatically become law Sunday.
Opponents have vowed to challenge the new law, which the City Council approved a month ago. Unless a judge halts its implementation, New York City is the first major U.S. city to grant widespread municipal voting rights to noncitizens.
AP story
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next — the NPV scheme — have foreign voters elect USA Prezs/VPS ???
Eric, agreed: And don’t let any Congresscritter who voted not to certify the election on Jan. 6 vote, either. Agreed, since this was an actual event, not your Alex Jones “actors,” you fricking wingnut.
Um…whuh? Lulz, you loony commie mutton. Don’t let any congressmorons who DID vote to certify the stolen election vote. Lock em up!
Joe – No, the bill specifies that all other criteria for voting, other than citizenship must be met. So, you must prove residency, be of age, etc.
I once lived in a town which held referendums that recognized two classes of voters: property owners and adult residents. There was no voter registration check, just an adult residency or property ownership check. Property owners could vote on every issue, residents on only some of them, with the difference being questions on property taxes. They only did that for referendums, not elections for town council, but I see no reason why all local elections cannot be done that way, assuming the local government’s power to tax property owners without a referendum is adequately checked.
That was in a small, strongly Republican town back in the late 1990s.
What was the name of this town?
Eric reaches the height of intelligence with “lulz” and thinking that he can add “commie” to describe anything from Status Quo Joe to the left as a vacuous epithet and it will be true.
Keep evolving, Eric; you may get to homo erectus. (Or, you may not.)
Fruit fly, a commie is a commie, and you are a commie. If you are looking for erect homos, go look somewhere else.
SocraticGadfly is troll Robert K Stock. Ignore him.
How do you know it is Stock?
OMG. Socratic Godfly just called Eric a fag!
Wasn’t Socrates a pedo?
“A US passport is in some ways not one of the best passports to have. The USA is one of the few countries in this world that taxes its citizens for money they earn outside the USA, even if they are gone all year, or for years”
So, if they let non-citixens vote, and don’t tax them for their world-wide income, like citizens, then the best status to have is citizenship in a low, territorial-only tax foreign country, and residency in the US, where they now could vote.
Would foreign, UN workers in NYC be able to vote?
“Property owners could vote on every issue, residents on only some of them, with the difference being questions on property taxes”
Interesting. If they did that in Massachusetts, many small towns on Cape Cod and the Islands could be controlled by non-residents.
Walter – maybe, but given that the 2-tiered voting system itself is not a question of property taxes, residents could, theoretically, vote to overturn it.
I don’t know the origin of the system in this town or how difficult it would be to overturn, or whether it was in the town charter, or any of those details. I moved out of the town when I was 22 and wasn’t very political at the time.
The only reason I observed the practice was because a very hot-button issue came up and most of the town came out to vote on it. This town of 6,000 people had no cops. That’s very common for many towns in Connecticut under a certain population threshold. They have ultra low crime rates, but if there is a problem, someone must call the state police. And in my old town, it took the state police roughly 2 hours to respond. So the issue being debated was 1. whether to continue with the status quo, 2. whether to establish a local police force – which would have required an increase in taxes, but would have been much more immediately responsive, or 3. to hire a resident state trooper, who would have intermediate level responsiveness, but would be tax free to the town because of a state grant. There were other issues being voted on as well, but that was the big draw. The town ended up with a resident state trooper. He already lived in town, the town basically just became his jurisdiction.