On August 24, the proponents of an initiative in Montana asked the Ninth Circuit for rehearing en banc in Pierce v Jacobsen, 21-35173. They only want a rehearing on the part of the August 10 decision that declined to strike down the Montana ban on paying initiative circulators on a per-signature basis. They already won the other half of the case, against the out-of-state ban.
The Ninth Circuit on August 10 had declined to rule against the per-signature ban on the grounds that the evidence wasn’t sufficient. But the initiative supporters argue that their evidence is strong enough.
What is the most ANTI-Democracy FASCIST statist State regime now ???
MT, WY, TX, FL, etc ???
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PR
APPV
TOTSOP
New York or California. Maybe Massachusetts. DC is of course even worse.
Minimal difference between COMMUNIST and FASCIST statist regimes.
Both full of wannabee killer absolute control freak monarchs/oligarchs.
USA NOW like Russia in 1917-1918, Germany in 1929-1933 and Spain in 1931-1936.
Minimal difference between COMMUNIST and FASCIST statist regimes.
TRUE. THEY ARE BOTH BIG GOVERNMENT = LEFTIST SCUM. IN AMERICA EQUIVALENT IS DIM RATS, GREEN PUKES, SOCIALIST, COMMUNIST, AND ALL OTHER TYPE OF LEFTIST, FASCIST, COMMUNIST SLIMEBAGS. THE OPPOSITE IS THE MAGA WINNERS OF THE GOP WHICH STANDS FOR TRADITIONAL AMERICAN AND ANGLO-SAXON LIBERTY AND THE EUROPEAN RACIAL< CULTURAL AND RELIGIOUS HERITAGE WHICH MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO BEGIN WITH, THE NATIONALISM AND PATRIOTISM NEEDED TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT THAT LIBERTY, CAPITALISM, PATRIARCHY, BOWING DOWN TO GOD LIKE OUR FOUNDERS (AND UNLIKE THE COMMIES AND FASCISTS WHICH TRY TO TURN GOVERNMENT INTO GOD), TRADITION (COMMIES AND FASCISTS SEEK TO SWEEP AWAY EVERYTHING TRADITIONAL), ECT BOTTOM LINE!!! LEFTIST ARE THE FASCIST ***AND*** THE COMMUNIST!!!
A lot of people misuse the term fascist or fascism to mean right wing authoritarianism. That is a misuse of the term. Right wing authoritarianism existed long before fascism and still exists today. Characteristic of right wing authoritarianism:
Adherence to social and cultural traditions
High degree of respect for traditional institutions outside of government such as church and family, no attempts to make them subservient to the political nation state government
Usually, reverence for the elderly
In most cases not a militarily aggressive policy except in cases of border disputes or former areas of the nation which had fallen to foreign rule
Strong limits on political opposition, freedom of expression, assembly, press, etc
Often but not always, a mercantilist or neofeudal economic system.
Fascism shares only the last two attributes with right wing authoritarianism. Right wing authoritarianism shares the other attributes with right wing non authoritarianism. The other aspects of fascism are much more aligned with the far left, albeit slightly less extreme:
Destructive of social, cultural and economic tradition. Fetish for rapid and radical change. As a corrolary, fetish for youth and disregard and disrespect for the old.
Love for centralization, nationalization of commerce, or quasi-nationalization through government-corporate partnerships.
Seeking to bring other social institutions such as churches, schools, families, local government, judiciary, press, labor unions, businesses, fraternal and charitable groups, etc, under the thumb of the national government, and destroying any balance of power within that government
Global foreign policy and military aggression, territorial expansion even without historical justification
Those aspects are much more in common with left than right.
But we keep hearing that fascism is far right. Why? It is not. Conservatives only find fascism to be the lesser evil against communism because in all of these ways communist are even worse than fascists .
But make no mistake. Fascism still has a lot more in common with leftism and communist than it does with conservative or right wing, or even right wing authoritarianism. Fascism also grew out of leftist socialist views. Before Mussolini developed fascism he was a socialist. He made a few quick adjustments to create fascist ideology but the basis remains leftist socialist..
And fascist copied far left organization methods, uniforms, armbands (yes leftist wore those first), street fighter methods, matches, propaganda methods, governing methods… everything.
Fascism is left wing. The left wing is fascist. Any questions?
The other Doug is right.
And right wing.
Right wing = right= correct.
I also agree with Jeff.
in time order in POWER –
Mussolini, Hirohito and Hitler —– ALL *left* wing fascists ???
ONLY in the brains of New Age right wing NUTCASES on drugs ???
Mussolini and Hitler, absolutely. Your pejoratives are not an argument, nor any kind of reply to detailed arguments above as to why they are more properly seen as left wing. Hirohito was a tool, and the 124th emperor of Japan, ruling from 25 December 1926 until his death in 1989. It’s hard to make the case that he was a left wing fascist or any kind of fascist. If you mean General Tojo, he was mostly a right wing authoritarian with some fascist tendencies and a tactical ally of fascists.
New age = left wing
On drugs = left wing
??? = not an argument
ONLY NUTCASES = not an argument
An argument has been made why fascists are left wing using logic and facts. Do you have a better reply to that argument than “new age on drugs ONLY NUTCASES”? Want to try again? Or is that the best argument you are capable of making as to why the arguments presented above are incorrect?
The standard dictionary definitions do NOT have *arguments*.
New Age statists — trying to redefine stuff.
The dictionary says a woman is someone (no matter how delusional) who identifies as a woman. Do you take that definition at face value as well?
People write dictionaries. Some of those people have agendas. Indeed, one of the main purposes of writing dictionaries is in fact to redefine words. Did you really not know that, or are you just pretending to be ignorant?
I’m the farthest thing from new age. I don’t consider myself a statist either. Admittedly I’m nowhere near a pure libertarian either. However I am for less government, less powerful government and more decentralized or localized government on most issues, and where I’m not it’s because I believe that it is in order to stop the totalitarian left.
The left is for much bigger, more powerful, more centralization of government vis a vis the right. Ultimately they want complete and eternal satanic tyranny. They must be stopped at all costs to save what remains of our liberty and restore what we have already lost.
“Dictionary definition” is an argument, but far from an adequate one. Every dictionary ever written redefines some words vis a vis previous and competing dictionaries. When there are multiple authors contributing to writing a dictionary there are often debates as to the definition of some words.
Sometimes you have to dig deeper. But we can start with dictionary definition if you want. Please provide your favorite definitions of right wing and fascist , and let’s see how well they match up and how accurate they are or are not.
I always question what I think I know and recommend you should too. Don’t forget that a very dedicated and persistent leftist termite invasion is chipping away at the foundations and support beams of our civilization. Some of their very favorite breeding feeding and stomping grounds are anything having to do with defining how people see the world such as education, media and yes, writing dictionary definitions. I am open to changing my mind and have before but don’t do it easily. So are you capable of making a better argument than “dictionary definition”?
communist dictionary vs fascist dictionary vs libertarian dictionary.
all full of arbitrary stuff re political-social-economic stuff ??? Duh.
Physics – math – chemistry ***science*** esp in 1600-1950 – SAME results in ALL experiments ???
vs social ***science*** in 1800s-1900s — NEVER SAME results in ALL experiments ???
esp left hand / right hand bio-chemistry – DNA, mutations, etc, etc.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R14RH35E1F2U0V?ASIN=B01N39W2DI
https://www.aier.org/article/why-hayek-was-right-about-nazis-being-socialists/
Not just in name only
Gotta agree with the Doug’s.
https://www.berlinjewish.com/nazis
If Nazis were far right and commies are far left why did or do they act, govern, think and speak in so many similar ways? In what sense are they ideological polar opposites? How could there have been a Molotov-Ribbentrop (“Hitler-Stalin”) pact in 1939-41? Why do so many people move back and forth between Nazi/fascist and commie/socialist?
To claim that the fascist/Nazi and socialist/ communist are polar opposites is like claiming that the Hatfield’s and McCoys were polar opposites. Or that two competing mob families are polar opposites. Or that the Bloods and Crips are polar opposites. Sure they each hate the other. But from an outside perspective they seem very similar.
In the case of national socialist and international socialist, dictatorship of the proletariat and democratic socialism, progressivism vs revolutionary socialism…they are all internal battles of different left wing socialist, no matter how much they accuse each other of being right wing or even far right.
Indeed, Hitler and Stalin saw themselves as leftist. In the 1920s and through much of the 1930s there was little dispute that fascism and nazism were leftist. In 1939-41 Soviet and Nazi propaganda were full of mutual praise.
Those of you with longer attention spans and more open minds should read
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/350425183_How_and_Why_Fascism_and_Nazism_Became_the_Right
A historical exploration of the Marxist big lie that fascism and nazism are far right whereas they are in fact center to far left. This lie has been spread by Marxist and fellow travelers in academia, education, media, arts, etc. The right has not yet mounted an adequate debunking of this libel.
In reality welfare state social democracy today continues the economic program of the Nazis and all the totalitarian movements of the last century – communist, Nazi and fascist – were all left wing. Today’s left is becoming more and more totalitarian. Or I should say more and more openly totalitarian. The democratic mask is quickly coming off. Their true demon nature is becoming more apparent and undeniable all the time and at an accelerating pace. They are somister Satanic totalitarians, the leftist are.
Do not be deceived. There is no equivalency between the left and right. The left is totalitarian, the center left being gradualistic or progressive, with fascism a bit further left and communist furthest left of all. The further left u go the more totalitarian and mass murderous they get. Yet the end goal and end result is always the same.
Libertarianism, not nazism or fascism, is the genuine far right. Democratic capitalism and national capitalism are center right. The left is monstrous and evil, and must be fought to the death for our survival and our liberty.
Somister should read sinister.