A UMassLowell Public Opinion poll has been released for New Hampshire. For Governor, it shows: Republican Chris Sununu 51%; Democrat Tom Sherman 35%; and these results for the two Libertarians: Kelly Haldorson 5%, Karlyn Borysenko 2%. Undecided and other equals 7%.
Haldorson is the Libertarian associated with the traditional Libertarian Party. Karlyn Borysenko is the Libertarian associated with the Mises Caucus.
For U.S. Senate, the results are: Democrat Maggie Hassan 51%; Republican Don Bolduc 41%; Libertarian Jeremy Kauffman 3%; undecided 5%. Kauffman is associated with the Mises Caucus. The other Libertarian faction has no candidate for U.S. Senate.
The Senate results are on page two; the gubernatorial on page three. Thanks to PoliticalWire for the link.
Richard, you have that backwards. Baryshnikov is the candidate of the real libertarians, Halvorsen is the candidate of the commies and Bill Weld supporters, and of people who fake assaults at conventions.
Sorry, Borysrnko. Stupid auto correct.
I didn’t use the word “real”.
You uses traditional which is your substitute for real. So much for just the facts.
Both factions are real.
The Mises Caucus does not take the traditional libertarian position on a number of issues. For example – the Mises Caucus is welcoming of members who are pro-life, support immigration restrictions, are openly bigoted, and relish populist culture wars. “Non-traditional” is putting it politely.
The garbage comment on November 3, 2022 at 10:33 pm is from Robert K Stock.
Mises caucus is traditional libertarian like the founders of libertarianism Murray Rothbard and Ron Paul. The leftist commie interlopers came in with goofy stoned Gary Johnson and Bill sloppy Weld.
Was John Hospers are “real” libertarian?
Bill Weld wants to take your guns and loves the Council on Foreign Relations and the Great Reset.
Neither Murray Rothbard nor Ron Paul were founders of the Libertarian Party.
And the historical founders of right-libertarianism were the founders of liberalism; like John Locke, John Stuart Mill, Thomas Jefferson, Frédéric Bastiat, Adam Smith, etc. Right-Libertarianism, in the proper sense of the word, traces its roots back to these people. In fact, in most of Europe most libertarianism is STILL called liberalism.
The current usage of the term “libertarianism” was popularized by Jerome Tucille in his book, Radical Libertarianism. He was an advocate of the “circular” or “horseshoe” political spectrum in which libertarianism occupied the point where the right and the left curve back and meet each other.
The retards and commies are in full force.
John Hospers came out in support of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he endorsed George W. Bush for President in 2004.
Murray Rothbard was the main founder of libertarianism which had roots in the Old Right, exemplified by his support for Strom Thurmond, who was indeed the best choice for President in 1948. He developed libertarian theory in the 1950s and 1960s. At one time he was friends with Ayn Rand but she rejected his God fearing, pro family values, bourgeois socially conservative ideas (traditional, real libertarianism) and insisted that her objectivism was something brand new with no roots in anything other than ancient Greek philosophy.
One thing they did both have in common was that they were very right wing. Rothbard did foolishly try to work with “new” left COMMIE scum during part of the late 1960s and early 1970s but then quickly regained his senses and returned to his rightist roots, supporting the great Pat Buchanan and having many kind words for the heroic Dr. David Duke towards the end of his life.
In 1972 some young Randians scrambled their brains with marijuana and other dangerous illegal narcotics and creating the Libertarian Party. They managed to recruit older and more respectable Rand acolyte Hospers as an obscure President candidate on the ballot in two states and got about 2,000 votes nationwide, managing to attract nearly 90 weirdos, most in the 18 to 30 age range, to a “national convention.” Rand herself rightly rejected them as right wing hippies. At least there was no argument that they were right wing. Rothbard, like Rand, wisely supported President Nixon for a second term despite his flaws. Those casting a credible protest vote that year voted for Congressman John Schmitz that year, not Hospers.
It was only a year or two later when Rothbard began giving the Libertarian Party it’s first real credibility. Soon after that he was betrayed by the Kochs and their bought and paid for operatives who created beltway libertarianism seeking favor with the welfare-warfare state.
When the Kochtopus loosed it’s grip on the Losertarian Party , Rothbard briefly recruited Ron Paul to lead the Libertarian Party, giving it far more credibility than it had before or since with patriotic Americans. Meanwhile our awesome President Reagan, the greatest of our times before the even better Trump, wisely pointed out that libertarianism is the heart of right wing conservativism.
Much like Hospers, the Kochs, and later on everyone ranging from Bob Barr to Bill sloppy Weld, Ron Paul and Murray Rothbard eventually went back to the natural home of libertarianism in the GOP. Other right wingers such as Pat Buchanan, Donald Trump, David Duke and others who tried the third party path all eventually reached the same conclusion.
The Mises institute, wisely and appropriately headquartered in the heart of the Old Confederate Dixieland, further developed real, traditional libertarianism. They were the heart of libertarians for Buchanan and Trump and directly developed blood and soil propertarian libertarianism which is the only true and highest form of traditional libertarianism.
Ron Paul made libertarianism far bigger and more popular as a Republican presidential candidate than it had ever been before. It is clear that traditional libertarianism has always revolved around Rothbard, Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell and the Mises Institute, Hoppe, blood and soil patriotism, patriarchy, civil rights for Whites, right wing nationalism, the GOP, and Libertarians for Trump.
The Mises Caucus brings traditional libertarianism back to the Libertarian Party after it had been hijacked by country club Rhinos and commie leftists as a counterrevolution to Ron Paul. It makes the Libertarian Party fit it’s natural role of pushing the Trump natcon GOP further right. The Hoppe Caucus is not as well known but is right behind the Mises Caucus in pushing an even more explicit traditional libertarian blood and soil position. Perhaps a David Duke caucus would make the point even more clear for anyone who doesn’t get it yet, but I don’t know if anyone started one yet. How about an Invictus-Cantwell caucus, since they are two of the best and most famous people recently involved with the libertarian party? Just a thought.
These are the real facts whether u like it or not. Hail Trump!
In, I believe, 1991, Rothbard gave a speech to the John Randolph Society, when he was promoting his newly invented PaleoLibertarian voting alliance strategy, in which Rothbard claimed that he was “coming home” to the right after thirty or forty years in the ideological wilderness of libertarianism. That is, Rothbard acknowledged that his beliefs from the mid 1950s to the late 1980s were separate and distinct from his ideological beliefs before and after. Rothbard, in essence, was admitting that the libertarianism he believed in from the mid 50s to the late 80s was not the same ideology as that which led him to support Strom Thurmond in 1948 and, in fact, his early and late life ideology was not traditional libertarianism at all but, rather, a right wing isolationist fusion ideology.
Walter Ziobro – the current, American use of the term ‘libertarian’ did not come from a 1970 book by Jerome Tucille. It was coined in 1955 by Dean Russell in an article in FEE and was then repeated in 1956 by Leonard Read in the same publication and Frank Chodorov, also in 1956, in National Review. It was well established by 1970.
As Jim admits, Rothbard developed libertarian thought and ideology before it ever had that name. It is true that during this middle period Rothbard deviated from the right positions on some very important issues such as immigration and abortion. But it’s important to note that the source of his rift with Ayn Rand, aside from her ignorant narcissism and cult leader tendencies, was her vehement rejection of bourgeois cultural norms and values, and particularly her hatred of Christianity. On these matters Rothbard, who was married to a Christian woman and very culturally conservative himself, was always in and the right.
On the other hand, Rand was right, and Rothbard was naive and foolish, when it came to the necessity of all out war against our global enemies such as communism and Islam. It was Rothbard’s reticence to engage our enemies militarily which brought undue cover to the cowardly young Randroid men who started the Libertarian Party. While patriotic young Americans of their generation were killing commies and dying and being maimed in rice paddies to beat back the global red menace, these long haired and bearded sissies were smoking dope, protesting against the war, evading the draft, and trying to chase after loose and slutty hippie girls. When those commie females rejected their clumsy virginal advances most of them resorted to homosexuality and other unspeakable perversions.
It is also important to note that Rothbard’s coming home to the right started much earlier than Jim would like to have you believe. Rothbard rediscovered his traditional libertarian roots through his ongoing collaboration with his two most important allies, Lew Rockwell and Ron Paul, both conservatives who hailed from the right. That collaboration dates back to the 1970s, and it is no accident that the Mises Institute is appropriately headquartered in the heart of Dixie or that Ron Paul has campaigned with the confederate flag.
Rockwell is originally from Boston, and Paul originally hailed from Pennsylvania. Rothbard was a jew from jew York city. These Yankee northerners came to embrace the confederate cause not through their own ancestral connection to our great Anglo Saxon Southland blood and soil, which they did not have, but through the intellectual development of traditional libertarian ideology. Traditional libertarianism is what led them inexorably to the truth. QED.
I think the other Vernon meant to say:
On these matters Rothbard, who was married to a Christian woman and was very culturally conservative himself, was always in (the right) and ON the right.
Glory to Perun!
Perhaps my fellow Vernon meant to say in and OF the right?
Everyone who agrees raise your right hand!