A coalition of groups are about to circulate a petition to use ranked choice voting for all Oregon federal and state elections. Here is the text. Thanks to James Belcher for the link.
A coalition of groups are about to circulate a petition to use ranked choice voting for all Oregon federal and state elections. Here is the text. Thanks to James Belcher for the link.
Hope it fails.
If the NPV is NOT adopted, does that mean that Oregon will treat each Presidential Elector as a separate candidate, and use proportional ranked choice voting for President, whereby the final vote-transferred ranking of Presidential candidates will be used to award the electors proportionally?
PR – LEGIS
APPV – EXECS/JUDICS
TOTSOP
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PENDING CONDORCET — RCV DONE RIGHT
Someone please translate what AZ said to English from Retardese.
Rank commie voting can’t be done right.
AZ IS ONE OF MY KIDS!
@Ron… His unfortunate excessive use of acronyms is annoying, but here’s my best take at it:
PR – LEGIS : Proportional Representation for Legislature
APPV – EXECS/JUDICS : Approval Voting for the Executive Branch and Judiciary
TOTSOP : Total Separation of Powers
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PENDING CONDORCET — RCV DONE RIGHT : this part I’ve never fully understood (particularly the “pending” part) but Condorcet is a term used to refer to electing a winner that would be the most preferred choice by the most people. There are theoretical tests done on different single winner voting systems showing that most of them don’t produce a winner that is actually the most preferred by the most people, thus most single winner electoral systems fail the “condorcet test”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method
I can translate. AZ is saying he’s a virgin and even hookers won’t have sex with him because is that crazy.
That sounds like AZ!
RCV is rank choice voting. Pending, I think he means that proportional representation and the rest of his proposals are an interim step to some kind of utopia in which some “condorcet” rank choice voting scheme will fix everything. Unfortunately, the masses are asses and easily manipulated and his proposed fixes would only make a bad situation even worse.
To add to what Alden translated.
RCV is rank choice voting. Pending, I think he means that proportional representation and the rest of his proposals are an interim step to some kind of utopia in which some “condorcet” rank choice voting scheme will fix everything. Unfortunately, the masses are asses and easily manipulated and his proposed fixes would only make a bad situation even worse.
A petition is already circulating in Oregon to allow STAR Voting or Score Then Automatic Runoff (see BAN link at name). What if both initiatives pass in November 2024–which method would take precedent?
Why the obsession by people on the left with RCV given its troubled history even if it is somewhat of a modest but very inconsistent improvement over the simplest ranked voting system called Plurality or “Name only your first choice then shut up”? Why continue to advocate for any voting system based on ranking and therefore subject to Arrow’s Impossibility Theorem? Score or STAR or Approval Voting are not subject to Arrow’s Theorem when some reasonable assumptions are made.
P.S. I suspect AZ (Demo Rep?) used to be a headline writer: verbs are your friend! Clarity over conciseness.
Approval voting is even worse. It results in a vote counting mess like you wouldn’t believe until you experience it for yourself.
CONDORCET WITH APPV [YES/NO] TIEBREAKER.
BOTH NUMBER VOTES AND YES/NO — NO IS DEFAULT.
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MEMBERS OF LEGIS BODIES WOULD HAVE VOTING POWERS EQUAL TO FINAL VOTES RECEIVED.
@Lester,
What was your experience with approval voting?
P.S. Which St. Petersburg are you from. The one near Tampa or the one near Helsinki?
@AZ,
What do you mean by “final vote”? Why not just “vote”?
If Joe receives 5,386 votes why can’t he just exercise 5,386 votes in the legislature?
Why have segregated primaries and preferential voting?
JR- HOW MANY MEMBERS BEING ELECTED ???
FIXED IN ALL/MOST STATE CONSTS.
SIMPLE PR — TOTAL VOTES / TOTAL MEMBERS = ALL VOTES COUNT
WITH PR – MANY MORE CANDIDATES LIKELY — LIKELY 3 OR MORE PER *PARTY* IN MANY/ALL DISTRICTS.
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NOOO CAUCUSES, PRIMARIES AND CONVENTIONS – FOR PUBLIC OFFICE NOMINATIONS —
NOM PETS / FILING FEES FOR ALL BALLOT ACCESS
Jim Riley, I’ve seen approval voting used in voluntary association governing body elections a number of times over the years. It has always resulted in vote counting delays and confusion as well as games played by factions to elect their people and befuddlement on the part of voters. In most cases there were vacancies because not enough candidates won approval to fill the available number of seats, resulting in additional rounds of voting and/or boards filling vacancies because the assembly ran out of time.
PS Originally the,one near Tampa for most of my life. Currently the one near Helsinki. The name was not the primary reason I picked it, but it did play a role.
JR –
PR— POSSIBLE TO HAVE ONLY NNN TOP VOTE GETTERS BE ABLE TO DEBATE / BE PHYSICALLY ON COMMITTEES.
LOWER VOTE GETTERS GIVE PROXY VOTES TO A TOP NNN MEMBER.
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HOW REALLY ***SECURE*** IS THE INTERNET — ALLEGEDLY MADE FOR *SECURE* MILITARY COMMUNICATIONS ???
partial APPV in use for many judge elections — 2 or more to be elected.
aka bed sheet judicial ballots. — generally entire counties or larger cities.
Segregation is good, whether in the schools, buses, housing, event venues, public parks, or partisan primaries. I say to you today from the heart of the great Anglo-Saxon Southland…Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!
I agree with Forrest. We need segregated primaries and we also do need to bring back Jim Crow.
South Africa has become a much worse place to live, even for the blacks, since the end of apartheid. And the United States was certainly safer and more civilized before the end of racial segregation.
JIM CROW LYNCHINGS – VERY CIVILIZED ??? >>> STONE AGE BARBARIAN
HOW MANY PLANTED/FALSE EVIDENCE CASES GETTING BLACKS KILLED IN ALL STATES AFTER 13 AMDT IN 1865 ???
Not nearly as many as there have been Whites killed, robbed, raped, beaten, tortured etc, by vicious nonwhite animal criminals who have been imported into the country or coddled with welfare, quotas, desegregation etc since 1965 or so.
Look at the WHITE genocide in South Africa since the end of apartheid. Far worse than anything under apartheid or American lynching.
Look at all the black on white crime and black on black crime since 1965. Much worse than before. Lynching wasn’t even a drop in the bucket in comparison. The same can be said of South Africa when you compare apartheid with what has happened since. And then there’s all the crime that we would not have were it not for the immigration law of 1965 and all those who are in the United States as a result.
The last few people are right. Both blacks and Whites, in the United States and South Africa, are worse off due to the end of segregation, Jim Crow, and Apartheid. These wise policies need to be revived. And of course both blacks and Whites are worse off because of other disastrous policies such as coddling criminals, tolerating illegal drugs, easy divorce and birth control, “great society” and “new deal” welfare programs, White genocide/population replacement, selling out to Red China, and the importation of third world immigrants since 1965 immigration law changes.
That list is certainly incomplete without prayer being taken out of public schools.
The holocaust of dead innocent babies that euphemistically gets called abortion should be at the very top of the list.
The whole feminism and gender bender agenda, especially emasculating men, is weakening the country and opening it up for conquest by foreign enemies.