On August 4, the Eleventh Circuit stayed an order of a U.S. District Court that would have required Miami to use a different redistricting plan for City Commission. The U.S. District Court had determined that the city’s redistricting plan is a racial gerrymander, but then the Eleventh circuit said the U.S. District Court should not have ruled so close to the upcoming election.
On August 6, the plaintiffs in the case had asked Justice Clarence Thomas to countermand the Eleventh Circuit.
On August 10, Justice Thomas asked the city to respond no later than August 14. The case in the U.S. Supreme Court is Grace v City of Miami, 23A116. Here is the brief filed in the U.S. Supreme Court by the plaintiffs.
Justice Thomas is handling this because he is the U.S. Supreme Court Justice who handles emergency requests from the Eleventh Circuit, when the U.S. Supreme Court is not in session.
ANTI-DEMOCRACY MINORITY RULE GERRYMANDERS IN USA-
TOP TO BOTTOM ROT
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P-A-T
REALLY MORON COURTS UNABLE TO ORDER NEW ELECTION IF OLDE ELECTION IS UNCONST.
— NONSTOP GET PAST THE NEXT ELECTION MACHINATIONS
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AZ NEEDS HIS MEDS ADJUSTED—
PERHAPS IN LOONEY BIN ???—
The quickest remedy would be to elect the entire commission at-large with approval voting.
At large? In a large city like Miami? Are you insane? That’s almost AZ level of retardedness.
APPARENTLY A MERE 5 MEMBERS ON CITY LEGIS BODY — ALL N-O-T ELECTED AT SAME TIME
STANDARD SOUTHERN MORON REGIME.
BLACKS V HISPANICS = REAL DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ???
EXCUSE FOR BIDEN MARTIAL LAW ???
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P-A-T
https://miamigis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MapSeries/index.html?appid=e44c932135584e77b4ad9866a0798568
G MAP – 5 DISTS
HOW MANY VOTERS VOTED IN 2 OR MORE G DISTS IN 4 YEARS ???
Does AZ (which urbandictionary tells me is slang for midgrade marijuana) want at large elections for 51 member NYC council serving around 8 million people in 5 counties? And then for hundreds, maybe thousands of candidates for all those seats to have to rank each other in order to be allowed to run? That’s past retarded. I don’t know if there’s a word in any language for what that is.
If that’s not bad enough for you, let’s see if he wants the 400 or so NH state reps elected as a single district. How many candidates to be ranked? His condorcet fantasy is gibberish to me, so I don’t know whether he would require not just candidates but also voters to rank all those candidates.
AZ wants the entire US to vote on the Senate seats. How retarded.
No, he actually wants to get rid of the senate completely. One of the rare cases that his machine language is close enough to English where I actually understood him at all.
TROLL MORONS = TOO MORON STUPID TO UNDERSTAND SIMPLE DIVISION MATH —
TOTAL VOTES / TOTAL MEMBERS = EQUAL VOTES TO ELECT EACH MEMBER
HIGHEST SURPLUS VOTES DOWN – REPEAT
LOWEST LOSER VOTES UP – REPEAT
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(11) Example 100 Votes, Elect 5
Ratio = 100/5 = 20
Surplus Moved
C1 25-20 = 5 Surplus
C2 19+1 = 20
C3 14+4 = 18
Final
C1 20 = 20 Elected
C2 20 = 20 Elected
C3 18+2 = 20 Elected
C4 17+3 = 20 Elected
C5 15+5 = 20 Elected
Sum 90+10 = 100
Losers 10 are moved to elected persons.
(12) Each member shall have 1 vote in the legislative body and a YES majority of all members shall be required to enact legislation.
Actually this might be a good place to test the Max plan.
If he says that mid-August is not too late for Miami, one could say it is not too late for ballot access at the state or federal level.
I’m sorry, wait, hold on… Miami, with a population of over 400k, has five commissioners? Five!?
My city, of about a third of the size, has forty. Actually, it has multi-member districts (two-seaters).
NOT SURE IF MIAMI HAS COUNTY-CITY COMBO.
MANY OLDE SOUTHERN COUNTIES HAD / HAVE 5 MEMBER LEGIS BODIES —
WITH TYRANT COUNTY MONARCH BOSSES — EASY TO CONTROL 3 OF 5
Greg,
I was about to say Miami is too large population for my plan, but I must have remembered incorrectly, or else was thinking of the metropolitan area or county rather than the municipality. 400 k is within the one order of magnitude margin of error I conceive, although ideally it would be four precincts (or whatever you wish to call them). I have not looked at the district map, but if the 5 districts are contiguous and somewhat natural in geographic or demographic terms (admittedly, a big if) they would each be closer in size to my ideal sized government than Miami as a whole would be.
I don’t see Miami as the best place to immediately implement my plan. For one thing, immediately implementing all of it anywhere would he too disruptive. I prefer gradual transitions with time to see whether real results confirm theoretical expectations where possible. The cultural changes envisioned in my plan also take time. I have no desire to have a top down version of my own “new soviet man” or its converse.
Miami isn’t ideal for the rapid implementation of my plan, or if it was to be implemented anywhere all at once, it wouldn’t be among my top choices. It is far too cosmopolitan with rapidly changing population. A hundred years ago the population was less than 10% of the current level; at the preceding turn of the century, a mere 123 years ago, it was a fraction of 1% of the present total. The demographic and cultural character of that population has also changed greatly. The number of Miami resident men who own and habitate land owned by his father, grandfather, and the grandgather’s father and grandfather must be miniscule, if indeed any such men even exist at all.
For relatively rapid implementation of my plan, or a full scale test, I’d prefer places with a relatively homogeneous long term resident population. For example in the United States, rural West Virginia or central Pennsylvania would be a good example. In Florida, I would pick the northernmost part of the state. Among my three residences, I would select my ancestral lands in rural Moscow region first, center city Moscow second, and Sochi area dead last due to its population explosion very much along the lines of Miami within approximately the same timeframe. Central Moscow, while it has been populated for many centuries, has had a great deal of population turnover and rebuilding, and Soviet laws played chaos with property title. My ancestral lands in rural Moscow region, which I repurchased, have a relatively stable long term population, despite Soviet laws equally screwing up intergenerational property ownership rights, as they did everywhere in the former USSR.
What do you think? Points, counterpoint, or questions, anyone (except AZ)?
Adam,
Miami districts aren’t the largest. New York and Los Angeles council districts are approximately a quarter million population each.
AZ, as usual, seems incapable of rudimentary research. The population of Miami-Dade county is at latest census over 2.7 million, much larger than the city of Miami. I wasn’t entirely wrong in my recollection that it seemed much larger than a city of 400k. As I suspected, I was confusing the county or metro area (which includes additional counties) with the municipality. The research on the numbers took me 15 seconds. AZ would do better to repeat himself less and attempt to learn something from time to time.
As always, AZ brands anyone who disagrees with him or questions him “troll morons.” This is of course projection (who buy a troll or moron would equate Trump and Hitler?). I’m quite good at arithmetic, statistics, and the like, but I have the same questions as Kyle. AZ doesn’t use standard mathematical notation or standard English grammar. Combine his seld-created shorthand jargon in both and you have a jumbled mess I do not have the patience to decipher. However, to the extend my quick scan determined the meaning of what he wrote with his calculation example, it did not answer any of Kyle’s questions. Kyle’s questions still stand. Predictably, AZ is the troll who pretends he answered them when he did not, or the moron who actually thinks he somehow answered them.
I really don’t care. It’s not as if the AZ plan is about to be implemented anywhere. If he wants to make it more trouble than it’s worth to understand it, that’s on him. I understand parts of it, and disagree with the vast majority of those. If AZ needs a public audience to yell gibberish at himself, I don’t feel compelled to linger and provide such audience, much as I would not for presumably homeless individuals who exhibit a similar need for public audience for their yelliing, insults, and indecipherable repetive rants, such as you would find in sections of any large city downtown.
As for the Max plan, it seems very good directionally. As Maxim himself points out, it should be implemented slowly and carefully, and not exactly the same everywhere. I agree with that.
In thinking about it a bit more, if an actual local test of my plan were possible, my favorite place in the United States to begin would (unless someone has a better suggestion) be northernmost parts of Maine and New Hampshire. That area has been populated by White men since the 17th century, with relatively little population replacement or demographic change. Property ownership tends to be relatively stable.
The population is overwhelmingly White and Christian. New England has the town meeting tradition, which is one of the inspirations for my plan. The residents of that area tend to be well armed, relatively self reliant or mutually self reliant, and used to hard physical work, especially on farms, cutting timber, etc. Extended family ties and close long term next-generation connections to local communities abound. Almost everyone has at least one mutually understood language, and many common cultural traditions. The area tends to have a conservative-libertarian political character. If secession were to become plausible, it has coastal access and a border with Canada as well as a new one that would exist with the US, were those entities to remain intact for the time being at that point.
If anyone can think of a better place to test my proposals in the United States, please say where and why. I know that presumes a luxury to choose a place, which seems unlikely. Nevertheless, I see it as a useful theoretical exercise for various reasons.
I’d also say the entire Appalachian area would be relatively good.
MAX ZIM CAN START HIS PLAN ON N.Z. ISLAND AMONG THE DEAD PLANTS AND ANIMALS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Zemlya
BIGGEST NUKE TEST SO FAR – N RUSSIA STILL NUKE POLLUTED ???
Too small population. If I was to draw up a region there, I would include it together with Nenets Autonomous Okrug, plus Onezhsky, Primorsky, and Mezensky districts of Archangelsk Oblast. Why do you write my name “Max Zim” like two words? It’s just Maxim, and I throw the Z in the middle for effect, in solidarity with the special operation to liberate Ukraine. Also, why is it that when I explicitly ask for people who are NOT AZ to answer, AZ answers? In case you missed it, I’m explicitly asking you (AZ) to not answer.
MAXZIM WROTE –
I throw the Z in the middle for effect, in solidarity with the special operation to liberate Ukraine
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MAXZIM — ONE MORE KILLER RUSSIAN AND WAR CRIMINAL.
MORE DEAD 2023 KILLER INVADER RUSSIANS IN/OUT OF UKRAINE THE BETTER.
GULAGS IN RUSSIA GOT NEW NAMES AFTER TYRANT PUTIN TOOK OVER IN 1999 ??? – WITH THE HELP OF OTHER KILLERS / ENSLAVERS.
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P-A-T — TO SAVE WESTERN CIVILIZATION FROM BARBARIAN KILLERS/ENSLAVERS IN EURASIA — WITH THEIR EVIL FAKE REFORM SCHEMES.
ANY BODY CAN POST WHATEVER ON BAN — PENDING CENSORSHIP — ESP OF WAR CRIMINALS.
ANY CENSORSHIP IN TYRANT PUTIN RUSSIA — LIKE FOR ANY PROTEST OF THE ATTACK/INVASION OF UKRAINE IN 2022 ???
MERE DEATH AT 4 AM BY SOME SORT OF *ACCIDENT* OR MERE DISAPPEAR ???
Back to the US, in further studying the map, my first choice is probably Washington and Aroostook counties in Maine. Taken together, their geographic location and population size is pretty optimal.
Does anybody who is NOT AZ have other suggestions along with reasons for suggesting them?
AZ, can you support your claim that I’m a killer and war criminal with any facts? Otherwise, it’s what’s known as libel and slander. You’re almost certainly not worth suing, but I might consider it. I do have US holdings, and US attorneys on retainer to protect my interests there. While it’s unlikely that I’ll actually have you served legally, I’ll ask you to cease and desist from making nefarious claims of fact about me for which you have no evidence.
Your idiotic questions are easy to research; you can do so if you wish. I didn’t suggest censorship, I asked you to refrain from addressing my questions. If this site had the function for individual users to block other individual users like many other sites do, I’d block you, which would mean you would not see my comments and I would not see yours. However, I’m in favor of your comments being available for those who actually do wish to see them.
AZ, I wouldn’t ask me to intervene between you and Max if I was you. I wouldn’t be on your side.
SEND MAXZIM TO NORTH FROZEN MAINE AND LET HIM TRY TO HAVE A MAXZIM REGIME.
LOCAL MAINE NATIVES WILL IMPOSE JUSTICE ON FOLKS in solidarity with the special operation to liberate Ukraine.
HOW MANY *** SPECIAL OPERATIONS*** BY RUSSIAN KILLERS [LENIN, STALIN, ETC.] IN 1917-1991 — TO KILL / ENSLAVE OTHER RUSSIANS AND OTHER FOLKS ???
I’ve lived in places which are significantly colder than Maine. Where I live now is comparable on average climate to northern Maine. However, I have no interest in moving. As mentioned many times I have no interest in trying to establish a “Maxzim regime.” Also, I’m the furthest thing from a defender of the Soviet system.
I’m in touch with a number of people in the US, including Maine, who side with Russia against the Nazi occupation regime in Kiev, as well as many more who hold no opinion except that the United States should not take sides. Contrary to AZ idiotic statements, it’s highly unlikely anyone in Maine would attack me for opposing the fascist Ukrainian government. Even if they disagree with my opinion, unlike fascist communist AZ, they generally don’t consider it “justice” to physically attack me simply for holding a different opinion.
I was trying to have a civilized conversation with civilized people. Too bad that uncivilized lout AZ insists on trying to yell at and pester me after being asked to move along and quit harassing me just so he can prevent such a conversation from taking place. What’s he so afraid of? Go hassle someone else, you ridiculous wanker, and let some other folks weigh in for a change. It probably wouldn’t kill you to give it a try.
I hate to say it makes me feel better that AZ is harrassing someone else besides me, and a man to boot, but in a way it does.
Also, I think Max is selling his plan short. Miami is less than ideal, yes, but that just means it needs the Max plan, or progress towards it, all the more. Being less than ideal just means that the gradual roll out would be different than in northern Maine or Appalachia. But the prescription and direction of movement is the same everywhere, regardless of how ideal or how far from ideal the starting point. I think Greg’s suggesting Miami was a good suggestion.
Pat is right. Miami needs the Max plan!
I get Max’s point though. Like, if we could just dump the whole west coast, the eastern seaboard from the middle of Virginia up to southern Maine, and the great lakes coast megalopolis which includes Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc into the ocean or give them to Canada or something, there’s no question we’d be a great country again real quick. Of course we’d have to finish the wall with Mexico and move the federal district from DC to the backup in Denver. Miami kinda fits in with the places that need to go. Basically, get rid of the 10% of the country that has 90% of the leftards. The west coast is the worst. Like omg if we could even just dump California alone that just by itself would make everything so much better.
Gary posted:
“At large? In a large city like Miami? Are you insane?”
There are a total of five commissions. A relatively simple number to elect at-large. Many cities have councils with more members elected at-large.
In fact, five members is probably too small for a city like Miami. They could easily have 9 or 12 commissioners that could be elected at large.
And, for that matter, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to actually split large cities into smaller ones, and have a metro federal council
AZ making violent threats against Max. Richard Winger allows this?
OLDE DETROIT HAD 9 MEMBER CITY COUNCIL – ALL AT LARGE –
ZERO BLACKS FOR DECADES
1967 RIOT >>> DEAD DETROIT
NOW 2 AT LARGE, 7 GERRYMANDER DISTS — ROT CONTINUES — DE FACTO MAYOR MONARCHY
ABOUT 10 KILLED PER WEEK. MAJOR MOVE-OUT BIZ.
1953 — 1.8 MILLION — NOW 0.6 MILLION — 2/3 POP GONE.
SEE COMING UAW STRIKE MID SEPT 2023 – MAY FINISH OFF DETROIT
>>> ANOTHER TAKEOVER — ***EMERGENCY MANAGERS*** — STATE APPOINTED TYRANTS
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I WET MYSELF!
Bob, yes, apparently some people are allowed to falsely accuse others of being war criminals here, threaten extrajudicial mob “justice” (lynching) for merely just disagreeing with them, for example about the Russian liberation of Ukraine from fascists, etc.
Detroit became much worse after the riots, take over by black communist scum, and move from at large to council districts. Labor unions are of course all thoroughly controlled by communists, that should go without saying.
Communists control opinion shaping of all sorts so thoroughly that many, probably most, people still think Africa was “liberated” from colonialism by black rule, with little knowledge of how much worse they have made every country they took over, that they are literally committing genocide against Whites who still live there, that they gave wrecked the economy and resorted to ancient tribal warfare, this time with modern weapons brought to them by White civilization. Detroit is very similar in that regard, along with other U.S. cities taken over by black and leftist communists SOBs.
Each candidate chooses precincts with 1/16 of the electorate. Voters vote for one candidate running in their precinct. Top 79 are elected. Candidates outside the top 79 may transfer votes to other candidates who ran in their precincts.
Councillors exercise the number of votes they received. If a candidate received 5671 votes they get 5671 votes in council meetings.
Pat and Kyle, fair points about Miami. I only meant gradual implementation of my plan there would probably take longer than in, say, Northern Maine or the Appalachian region, for cultural reasons – the ground has to be prepared for planting, so to speak.
Pat, I can understand a certain sense of relief that AZ’s unwanted attention isn’t solely focused on you.
Bon, I’m not particularly threatened by AZ talking out of his AZZ. His threats are hollow, like his accusations. His baseless claim that I’m a war criminal has to be taken in light of his other bizarre beliefs, for instance that the only difference between Trump and Hitler is that Hitler did jail time for the beer hall putsch – he doubled down on that claim repeatedly regardless of how many times he had his face rubbed like a bad puppy which soiled the living room rug in much more significant differences; that the US is currently a monarchy; and that he never makes any more significant mistakes than typographical errors, among many others. If he wasn’t that guy, I might point out that directly accusing someone of being a war criminal without a shred of evidence discredits the accuser, but in his case I don’t see how anything he could possibly say could conceivably discredit him any further.
His claim that I would be physically attacked in northern Maine if I expressed support for the Russian military is similarly laughable. Of course it’s true that there are crazy people everywhere, but the vast majority of Mainers and Americans have a concept of justice which makes room for freedom of expression, as well as respect for a legal code that protects freedom of opinion. He also knows full well I have no interest in moving anywhere for the purpose of setting up any “regime,” that I believe it will probably take several generations for it to be fully implemented anywhere (by which time I’ll be dead), and that I no longer would even qualify to vote under my own proposal (although I live in the real world, so will keep voting). He says the crazy and stupid things he does because he’s actually what he accuses so many other people of being, a troll moron.
Walter Ziobro, I agree that bigger cities can have multiple separate governments. In fact, this already happens; it was pointed out above that Miami-Dade county has 2.7 million people, Miami municipality around 442k, and I’ll add that a further quick search reveals that the Miami metropolitan area has over 6 million people. I see no reason that metro couldn’t be 60+ governments, and they don’t necessarily need a metro federal council.
Kyle makes good points about Detroit and other black run U.S. cities, as well as about postcolonial Africa. I also agree with Kyle that the US would be much better off without California.
MaxZim V Zaslon = MAXIMUM INVASIONS ???
— STANDARD ASIA BARBARIAN STUFF FOR MANY 1000S OF YEARS ???
I’m a European, living in the largest city in Europe, you ignoramus. I’m not for any invasions. I do support the liberation of Ukraine, which is not an invasion.
A nefarious cabal of Nazis, fascists, Zionists, NATO/EU foreign agents, criminal syndicates, and corrupt businesses and politicians/wannabes overthrew the legally elected government of Ukraine in 2014. They have been attempting ethnic cleansing/genocide of the Russian ethnic majority in Eastern and Southern “Ukraine” – areas annexed to Ukraine by diktats of Stalin and Khruschev – ever since.
Ukraine itself was a nebulous concept invented in the 19th century which turned regional customs and dialect into a supposed ethnicity and language. It was never a nation state except very briefly during the chaos of civil war in 1917-22, and since 1991. Russian is the only language commonly understood by virtually everyone in all parts of Ukraine.
I propose a system of governments of 100,000 people give or take , with government reduced to a very minor role of solely defense from mala in se criminals and invasion. The opposite of “maximum invasion.”
As for barbarian, only one of us insists on addressing someone after being asked in no uncertain terms to stop, name calling, false accusations of war crimes , endless repetition, yelling all the time, mischaracterization of the other’s views, etc – and it’s not me. As usual, AZ accused others of what he is and does himself.
INVASION OF UKRAINE IN FEB 2022 BY RUSSIA WAR CRIMINAL KILLER/ENSLAVER GOONS —
REGARDLESS OF ANY SPIN BY ANY EURO FOLK.
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SEE HITLER BIG LIE ON SEPT 1, 1939-
ALLEGED POLISH ATTACK ON GERMANY —
PERSONS PUT INTO POLISH ARMY UNIFORMS — KILLED BY HITLER NAZI SS GOONS – DUMPED IN GERMANY NEAR POLAND BORDER.
EXCUSE FOR HITLER INVASION OF POLAND >>> 6 YEARS OF WW II.
ANY OLDE HITLER NAZIS GOING TO CELEBRATE ON 1 SEPT 2023 ???
ALSO – INVASION OF EASTERN POLAND BY STALIN KILLERS/ENSLAVERS – MURDER OF TOP CIVIL/MILITARY POLISH FOLKS.
ANY OLDE STALIN GOONS GOING TO CELEBRATE ON 1 SEPT 2023 ???
AZ SUPPORTS A BLANK CHECK TO TYRANY ZEKENSKY—
—ON BIDEN PAYROLL ???
AZ is definitely on the Biden Crime Family payroll. Maybe Burisma too.
PA and Tom, seems quite plausible. The spin is obviously from AZ, who said nothing to contradict the facts I laid out with his false comparison. One side has involved German tanks rolling across Ukraine for the first time in 80 years, Ukraine under the thumb of a German led “European union” just like 80 years ago, and bombing of Russia just like then. It is not the Russian side.
Jim Riley, sounds far too complicated. Just the calculation of votes, both to elect the politicians and of their own votes once elected, would be time consuming, prone to software error, and prone to deliberate vote tabulation fraud. There’s already far too much of any of those things as it is.
Why is this necessary at all? It seems to be taken as a given that every level of government requires a massive legal code which is impossible for anyone to remember and understand,but which they can nevertheless be put in a cage at taxpayers expense for violating any aspect of. Furthermore, if that wasn’t bad enough, that this complicated legal code needs to be continuously revised, to the point that people whose full time job it is to debate how to revise it have to be elected – by everyone, including young adults who are children in all but name, hysterical women, paupers, lunatics, vagrants, criminals, unasimilated aliens from uncivilized third world crapholes, narcomaniacs, etc – with the positions being highly sought, and whatever they come up with must nevertheless be so open to interpretation as to require the further services of highly trained professionals to adversarially arbitrate?
In addition, that these elections of the persons to be paid full time to argue over and revise the shelves of books of legal code must be carried out over multiple voting places by secret ballot, inviting fraud at multiple stages of the process? And that the people voting be by and large strangers to each other and to the managers of the voting process, requiring trust that the complicated system used to ensure that only eligible voters participate, and that each such voter only do so once, is not intentionally or unintentionally mismanaged?
Why is all of this taken by virtually everyone as not only the best way to run things, but indeed inevitably the one and only way? To me it seems blindingly obvious that some things have gone terribly wrong to bring us to such a pass, and that there must be a simpler, more logical way to manage government, starting by keeping it out of things other than protecting citizens from crime and foreign attack. Why does the same thought not occur to many other people?
Pat, Kyle, and anyone else agreeing with me here: how do we start to make large numbers of people even question those things, much less actually change them?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/14/economy/russia-ruble-slump-ukraine-war/index.html
ANY MAXZIM ACCOUNTS IN RUSSIAN RUBLES ???
WHERE DOES TYRANT PUTIN KEEP HIS STOLEN CASH ???
CNN IS FAKE NEWS!
MAXZIM WROTE –
A nefarious cabal of Nazis, fascists, Zionists, NATO/EU foreign agents, criminal syndicates, and corrupt businesses and politicians/wannabes overthrew the legally elected government of Ukraine in 2014.
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WHAT FOLKS WIPED OUT THE ROTTED EVIL USSR EMPIRE IN 1989-1991 ???
AND REVIVED IT IN 1999 WITH TYRANT PUTIN ???
@Max,
I will address the issue of my proposal vs. the status quo in Miami (5 member council elected by district) and not your fantastical idea that has no chance of being adopted.
Voters would go to a polling place and mark a paper ballot which is deposited in the ballot box. At the end of the voting day, ballots would be taken from the ballot box and tallied by tellers. The ballots would be returned to the ballot box which would be locked and taken to city hall, where all votes would be tallied.
Counting weighted votes in council is trivial.
Councillors need not be paid a large amount. Miami has a city manager to actually run the city.
Under the current system the city is divided into five districts of equal population, regardless whether the population naturally divides into five communities of equal population. The elected councillors may or may not represent many persons living in their district. The current litigation is intended to influence who is elected in the five districts. When it is said that a certain groups is able to elect its candidate of choice it means that other groups will not be able to elect the candidate of their choice.
Under my proposal all voters will be able to choose their representative. If more voters choose a particular representative, that representative will be able to exercise more authority.
THE EVIL ROTTED USSR WIPED ITSELF OUT AND IT WAS NOT REVIVED WITH PUTIN, WHO IS NOT A TYRANT. AZ IS FAKE NEWS!
Jim Riley, your proposal isn’t likely to be adopted either. Max asked a very reasonable question about why certain things are taken for granted. He’s been very clear that he does not expect, or even want, immediate implementation of his whole plan. His question about why the things he asked about are such a consensus makes a lot of sense. I have no answer to it myself.
I enjoyed the fake news spin on our economy. In the real world, my investments and businesses are doing great. I do have some accounts in various currencies, including Rubles, but the vast majority of my wealth is in assets, including real estate, stocks, crypto, precious metals, collectors items, and direct ownership stakes in non-public companies. A weak Ruble doesn’t have any appreciable negative effect on my overall well being. I’m having a record year in overall profits, but thanks for your “concern.”
We must add the fantasy that President Putin is a tyrant who reassembled the USSR in 1999 to the list of AZ knee slappers such as no difference between Hitler and Trump other than jail time for beer hall putsch, US is currently a monarchy, etc. In the real world, the former USSR continues to be 15 internationally recognized nation states, plus several break away regions of dubious nation state status; the USA and Russian Federation both have elected Presidents and national legislatures (Congress and Duma); and more significant differences between Hitler and Trump include an 8 digit body count and invading dozens of countries, among many others. AZ mentally inhabits crAZyland, with only very tangential connection to reality.
How is the purge of Wagner Group going?
Max plan would be great if people were open to it. I just don’t know what it would take to make that happen and start the ball rolling to get from here to there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami-Dade_County,_Florida
Jokeapedia? Lame!
https://www.miamidade.gov/global/government/commission/home.page
UNLUCKY 13 GERRYMANDER DISTRICTS — M-D CO COMM
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P-A-T
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami
NOTE J. TUTTLE
AS ABOVE – 5 GERRYMANDER DISTS IN CITY COUNCIL/COMM
HOW MANY EX-CUBANS WHO FLED CUBA COMMIES/KILLERS/ENSLAVERS ???
I would also like to hear more about the Wagner purge from AZ.
Yes, more Wagner updates please, AZ!
ANY WAGNER SURVIVORS ???
OR ALL KILLED BY PUTIN SECRET POLICE KILLERS — BULLET IN BACK OF SKULLS – DUMPED IN LOCAL FORESTS FOR WOLVES / BEARS TO EAT ???
Wow. This AZ guy is really out of touch with reality. Try researching that yourself, ignoramuz.
@Max,
There is a Russian Orthodox Church in Miami. There may be parishioners who would be interested in your concepts. We need some terminology. How about “autonomous community” and “big men” and “meeting” which has less of a connotation of government. I don’t how you would enforce the requirement for large tracts of land under cultivation with 100s of farm workers attached to the land. Perhaps they can gradually acquire land. In Miami, you can likely grow vegetables and citrus, so farming is more intense on smaller tracts of land.
The big men need not be orthodox, but they could verify the faith and race of others.
So the big men would meet and declare an autonomous community. As a startup would they be permitted to meet more often than once a year?
How would you handle the airport and port?
Thanks Jim, as it happens transition steps have been on my mind today.
I don’t think anything that dramatic is necessary as a starting point. I think where I’d start is with simplifying local laws and governance as much as possible. I would encourage law enforcement professionals to run for all local elected office on a platform of simplifying local laws and regulations, and making punishment for mala in se crimes as swift, sure and severe as state and federal governments would allow. Where county level government victory could be achieved (probably not Miami-Dade in early stages) part of the platform would be making cooperation with federal law enforcement and bureaucratic activities more than a mere formality, extending the least cooperation with the feds that could be extended without federal military invasion. Further steps can be taken once state governments are in play, probably starting with low population conservative states (Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Dakotas, Alaska).
Additional first steps would be from the cultural side :
Encourage religious homeschooling
Propagate ideas of the dark enlightenment
Encourage early marriage and traditional families
Encourage military and law enforcement service
Encourage weightlifting, target shooting, hunting, fishing, martial arts and combat training for boys and young men
Encourage traditional roles taught for girls and young women, study of religion and home economics
Encourage young men to farm, learn trades, and serve in military and law enforcement rather than attend university, especially avoiding liberal arts universities
Encourage them to join ROTC, police athletics leagues, law enforcement auxiliaries, neighborhood watch, civil defense, militia etc
Encourage theological training, and for young men well versed in dark enlightenment to go into religious leadership
Seek men with such backgrounds more firmly developed to run for local office
These are some good cultural first steps.
Additionally, development of true conservative news, arts and entertainment programming, and encouraging families to unplug from the establishment drivel;
Business directories of like minded folks, encouraging them to patronize each other’s business ventures
Encouraging lending to help business start-ups within likeminded communities
Charities which emphasize similar values among the givers and receivers of temporary aid, emphasizing paying it forward
@Max,
Criminal laws are generally matters of state law rather than local law. Local law enforcement apprehends apparent criminals and turns over prosecution to state attorneys. Any punishment would be by the state.
It is not clear what you mean by swift and sure punishment. State and federal law would require due process.
@Max,
You would not have Miami officials cooperate with federal customs officials at the airport or seaport?
What about Homestead AFB or the Coast Guard?
@Max,
The Miami code of ordinances is online. Which would you eliminate?
If the criminal laws are state, what’s the purpose of the local ordinances? If all local law enforcement does is turn criminals over to state attorneys, why do you have both local and state law enforcement agencies?
I’m open to arguments that some specific existing ordinances serve some necessary purpose, if you want to cite some and explain why they are so indispensable. Ideally, I’d recapture local sovereignty over criminal law.
As far as non cooperation with federal agencies goes, I’d start with things like environmental and labor laws, tax laws, gun laws, and things of such nature.
Overall, unwinding such a complex system is more complex than I would know how to do. The USSR collapsed from the top down, and I would hope the same could be possible in the US. I’d also wish to see further progress here. My favorite time in Russian history was before Mongol yoke and Empire, when we had city-states, boyars, princes, etc.
@Max,
The (People of) a State are sovereign. Most States are divided into counties for administrative purposes. This permits citizens to elect the officers who administer the area. The sheriff arrests criminals, they are tried in a county or district court, and if convicted, sent to a state prison.
State police typically only provide backup and specialized investigative support.
I’ve been pulled over by state troopers in the US. Florida, for example, also has various state law enforcement agencies:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_agencies_in_Florida
If you follow the link to each agency, there’s an external link to its website, if you or anyone doubt that these agencies all exist. There are also state level courts.
In addition to a cornucopia of state prisons, there are also county jails in every county, housing both convicted and accused criminals, sometimes for years. Many cities also have separate city jails.
Furthermore, you also have a wide variety of federal law enforcement agencies, courts, and incarceration facilities, many overlapping specific subjects of state and local agencies. You can find a (partial?) listing elsewhere under the same wiki, again with links to separate articles with external links to the agencies to verify they are real.
Additionally, the article lists numerous university, school district, airport, native, and railroad law enforcement agencies, as well as private corrections facilities.
All this seems insanely and unnecessarily complex to me. As far as I can tell, my questions and statements above from the 21st still stand. I also continue to be of the opinion that the US, state of Florida, every other US State, Miami-Dade county, and even the City of Miami are larger than optimal size for sovereignty. The city of Miami and the very few smallest population states are marginal, but each of the five districts of Miami are closer to ideal.
Getting from here to there is admittedly a harder question. I’ve outlined some possible starting points. Chaos in the aftermath of systemic collapse is another one, albeit not optimal for other reasons. The model the collapse of the USSR suggests is to start with dissolving the USA into its constituent states and territories. Conversely, I’ve suggested some possible bottom up and cultural starting points.
I readily admit I do not have all the answers on either the exact destination or, especially, the exact steps from here to there, and expect local variations in both. My main suggestions are along directions of movement and reasons therefor. Your mileage may vary, etc.
@Max,
The county and state circuit courts are courts where criminal cases under Florida law are tried, as well as civil cases under Florida law. One of the grievances of the 1776 rebellion/insurrection was that the British would transport criminals to England for trial, and would not permit jury trials by their peers.
In the USA their was the concept of circuit courts, where the judges and lawyers would ride circuit, travelling from county to county to hear cases. A county might not have enough crimes to sustain a full time judge, bailiff, etc. So instead the judge and prosecuting attorney would serve the entire district, typically being elected, and would travel to each county for a week or weeks.
If you were tried in Florida, the case would be styled People of State of Florida vs. Max’ They had old forms left over that read, ‘The Crown vs. _____’. Under British law a crime is committed against the King’s Peace. The King’s duty is to provide civil order so His subjects can go about their ordinary lives. The case is not specifically brought on behalf of the (alleged) victim. If the act occurred in Miami-Dade County, the case would be tried in a state circuit court in that county, prosecuted by a states attorney for that circuit (more likely by one of his many deputies), with a jury of county citizens.
If you were considered a flight risk or likely to commit similar crimes of a serious nature, you would be incarcerated at the county jail, until your trial. If convicted and sentenced to prison, you would be moved to a state prison. There may be state prisons in Dade County.
Thanks, those were all things I knew, none of which contradicted anything I said. I spent years in both the US and UK and more time than that studying the evolution of their government systems, including fairly recently.
@Max,
Alternatively, they are examples of decomposing a complex problem into smaller components.
How much time would be wasted clearing customs between each sovereign autonomous community?
How would the airport be handled? The Port of Miami which is the busiest passenger port in the USA?
Ultimately, it would be a lot less of an issue since part of the whole point of my plan is to drastically cut down on all forms of long distance commerce, travel, supply chains, relocation, etc. It’s obviously going to take quite a while to get from here to there. There are however hopeful signs, from advances in robotics and 3D printing (still a long way from Star Trek replicators, but making great strides) to remote control drones, etc. If technology keeps advancing , the vast majority of the raison d’etre for all that frantic moving people and things around the globe will be gone. Alternatively, if there’s a technology backslide due to war, environmental disaster, idiocracy, etc, the means for all that scurrying may become significantly less available.
The new global trend toward pan-nationalism, localism (eat local, shop local, etc), tariffs and immigration controls is a very good thing. The collapse of large scale information gatekeepers, as well.
Again, ideal winding down of globalism and excesses of “enlightenment” would take perhaps a century. Less ideally it may involve massive systems collapse, leaving no choice. But anything approaching immediately shutting all that down is too disruptive to be ideal, I think. The culture needs time to readjust.
Decomposing a complex problem into smaller components is the whole point of my plan, if you think about it. Modernity has brought excessive complexity, to put it mildly, and it’s past time to recalibrate, integrating the best of traditional antiquity and modernity. I’m not for complete neofeudalism, just finding a good middle ground between historical norms and what has all too rapidly replaced them. Many of the old ways were better, tried and true over millennia, and discarded far too rashly and hastily ,absent a more complete analysis.