The March 8 Los Angeles Times has this op-ed by Marcela Miranda-Caballero and David Daley. It is behind a pay wall, but it says that the California top-two system is flawed and should be replaced with a top-four system. Thanks to Eric Wong for the link.
Top-four won’t solve the basic problem: parties have no control over who runs on their labels.
I am not paying to read fake news.
NOOO PRIMARIES
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Walter Ziobro and Mike are correct. What is it with old people screaming lately? Beijing Biden, AZ etc.
Dementia makes you scream often.
That makes sense, I guess.
Alternatively, California could support a constitutional amendment to repeal the 17th Amendment, returning the power of choosing their federal Senators to their state legislature, who could come up with their own voting system. Just an idea.
Ultimately, Californians, and the rest of us, have to make good decisions about who should represent us. If we choose bad people, we suffer, no matter the voting system.
Repealing the 17th is a good idea, but Commiefornia is one of the least likely places to support it any time soon.
WORTH SCREAMING ABOUT —
MINORITY RULE EXTREMIST PRIMARIES
MINORITY RULE GERRYMANDERS
BAN TROLL MORON POSTS – ESP FOR/AGAINST BIDEN/TRUMP — LIKE TOILET PAPER BLOWING IN A TX WILDFIRE
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The screaming is really fixing things. That’s how you put out wildfires.
Urinating into the wind and screaming is also how you turn back tsunamis, tidal waves, hurricanes, tornadoes, lava etc. Everybody knows this.
There’s only one BAN troll moron. We all know who it is.
@AZ
Approval Voting, which should be done for executive positions like governor, could also be done for federal senate. That’s another option.
For federal house, if you have no primaries, how would it work? Can party leadership choose the candidates? Can anyone petition to have a party label (and party leadership can’t stop you)?
Gerrymandering is a problem. A public algorithm strongly influenced by geography and municipal/county boundaries could be used. Districts could also have multiple representatives, elected using something like Single Transferable Vote (but not bloc voting). I’d prefer that over statewide PR with party lists.
Az is a troll bot. Those who think it is human or anthropogenize it are the morons.
Approval voting and other such voting schemes are a terrible idea. They make vote counting more complicated, which makes it easier to cheat. And that’s how dirty commies steal elections. It’s already way too easy to cheat. Just look at the stolen 2020 presidential election. Keep it simple.
Vote for one candidate. The candidate with the highest score wins.
Vote for one or more candidates. The candidate with the highest score wins.
Too complicated? Easier to cheat?
In what universe is this too hard for you to understand?
In what universe does this have any effect on fraud?
Did the 2020 presidential election use approval voting? It did not. Not in any state.
In fact, how do you know the outcome of that election wouldn’t be different under approval voting?
Can you point to an analysis? Have you not met people who prefer someone else but would settle for Trump?
You invoked the KISS principle. Kiss mine. And if I reply to AZ/DemoRep/Mr. Jones, stay out of our business.
The system is already too easy to cheat. Approval voting and your other schemes obviously don’t make the count quicker or simpler. It has an effect on fraud in this universe, increasing it, leading to dirty commie scum unjustly holding office and ruining everything for all of us.
Demo Rep / Mr. Jones died several years ago. AZ is a troll bot. You can be a fool and talk to it all you want. I obviously have no power to stop you, and if that’s what gives your life meaning, I can scroll past.
My sole comment regarding the AZZbot was directed at the moron who called it a moron. Bots can’t be morons. They can only be programmed to mimic morons.
Adam has put together some valuable and interesting points. As for me, California’s Top Two must be scrapped.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/state-race-six-key-senate-080052688.html
GERRYMANDER USA SENATE – MARGINAL 2024 SEATS
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NOW – ANTI-DEMOCRACY MINORITY RULE IN LEGIS BODIES
1/2 OR LESS VOTES X 1/2 RIGGED CRACKED/PACKED G DISTS = 1/4 OR LESS CONTROL- WITH TYRANT MONARCH BOSSES
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SIMPLE PR- ELECT ODD NUMBER LEGIS — 5, 7, 9 ETC.
TOTAL VOTES / TOTAL MEMBERS = EQUAL VOTES TO ELECT EACH MEMBER = RATIO
LEGIS — PRE-ELECTION CANDIDATE RANK ORDER LISTS OF OTHER CANDS – MADE PUBLIC BEFORE E DAY
HIGHEST SURPLUS VOTES DOWN – REPEAT
LOWEST LOSER VOTES – UP – REPEAT
ALL VOTES COUNT
PARTS OF MODEL STATE CONST
Sec. 6. (1) Each Elector may vote for 1 candidate for each legislative body.
(2) The Ratio shall be the Total Votes for all candidates in all districts divided by the Total Members, dropping any fraction.
Ratio = TV/TM
(3) A candidate who gets the Ratio shall be elected.
(4) The largest surplus more than the Ratio shall be moved to 1 or more candidates in any district who do not have the Ratio and who are highest on the candidate’s rank order list.
(5) Only the votes needed to get the Ratio shall be moved to any 1 candidate.
(6) Repeat steps (4) and (5) until all surplus votes are moved.
(7) If all members are not elected, then the candidate with the least votes shall lose.
(8) Such losing votes shall be moved to 1 or more remaining unelected candidates in any district who are highest on the candidate’s rank order list and subject to (5).
(9) The moving order shall be original votes and then the earliest surplus or other loser votes.
(10) Repeat steps (7-9) until all members are elected.
(11) Example 100 Votes, Elect 5
Ratio = 100/5 = 20
Surplus Moved
C1 25-20 = 5 Surplus
C2 19+1 = 20
C3 14+4 = 18
Final
C1 20 = 20 Elected
C2 20 = 20 Elected
C3 18+2 = 20 Elected
C4 17+3 = 20 Elected
C5 15+5 = 20 Elected
Sum 90+10 = 100
Losers 10 are moved to elected persons.
(12) Each member shall have 1 vote in the legislative body and a YES majority of all members shall be required to enact legislation.
(13) Each legislative body may meet any time in person, by written proxy or electronically and shall appoint its officers provided by law.
Sec. 7. (1) All legislative body candidates and members shall file 1 or more rank order lists of persons to fill any temporary or permanent vacancy of the candidate or member during an election time or term respectively.
(2) The qualified person who is highest on the list shall fill the vacancy.
(3) If (1-2) does not happen, then the other candidates of his/her party (if any), the other members of his/her party (if any) or the legislative body shall fill such vacancy with a qualified person of the same party immediately at its next meeting, as the case may be.
Sec. 8. (1) Each Elector may vote for 1 or more candidates for each executive or judicial office (including 1 write-in vote for each position).
(2) The candidate(s) getting the most votes shall be elected (for the longest terms respectively).
[(1-2) is the Approval Voting method.]
A ballot initiative petition should be filed to repeal Top Two Primary and to restore the way elections were previously held in California. Republicans initially supported Top Two Primary in California, but now after it has been in place for over a decade it is clearly apparent that it is helping Democrats more than it is Republicans, many Republicans in California have turned against Top Two Primary. This is a good opportunity for minor parties and supporters of independent candidates to coalition with Republicans to try to repeal Top Two Primary. I think if an initiative to repeal Top Two Primary and to restore the previous election system qualified for the ballot in California that it would be likely to pass, because most of the public there does not like Top Two Primary.
I would like to see Ranked Choice Voting without any Top Four or Top Five Primary schemes attached to it pass there, but that may be biting off more than we can chew at the moment. Repealing Top Two Primary and restoring the previous election system there ought to be a priority.
Nobody with the money for a California initiative considers it a high enough priority.
CA – NOW ABOUT 65 PCT COMMIE DONKEY-
WITH 20-35 PCT OF ALL ILLEGAL INVADERS – ESP IN EAST LA COUNTY.
GOOD LUCK ON A-N-Y PETITION/REFORM
Los Angeles and San Francisco are well on their way to third world city status, especially in the downtown areas. The people’s republic of California is a total loss. For anyone still living there, get out while you still can, and pray for those left behind.
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=141913
ELB STORY ON LAT ITEM
Downtown LA and SF are worse than third world big cities. In the third world they at least have the good sense to put their squalid camps in the outskirts of town next to the garbage dumps. In California, they put them right in the middle of downtown, because duh.
A Republican makes the top two, and suddenly hte left-wing propaganda sheet called the LA Times thinks top two is a bad idea.
It is a bad idea. Top One is much better. Unanimity is the best form of government.