Mike Ter Maat Wins the Libertarian Party Vice-Presidential Nomination

Posted on by May 26, 2024

The third-place candidate for President Mike Ter Matt was elected the Libertarian Party Vice-Presidential candidate after two ballots.

On the first ballot:

Freddie Clegg                         9     1.22%
Marke Stewart Greenstein      3     0.41%
Kendal Ludden                        3     0.41%
Mike Ter Matt                       367   49.66%
Clint Russell                         339   45.87%
Write-ins                                   4     0.52%
None of the Abova                    8     1.08%

On the final ballot:

Mike Ter Maat        371          51.31%
Clint Russell           340          47.03%
Write-ins                     4            0.52%
None of the Above      8            1.11%

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Mike Ter Maat Wins the Libertarian Party Vice-Presidential Nomination — 88 Comments

  1. Based on that first ballot, Mike would have won a majority outright – but there were 10 write-ins on the first ballot, not 4

  5. Term, depends on what time scale you’re looking at. Why do you bring that up?

  6. Walter: more like condolonces, given he will be serving with a board most of whom he is very out of step with again.

  7. Nevertheless, it appears that no faction has full control of the Libertarian Party. It has become a kind of laboratory for Madisonian federalism.

  10. I think it just ended. They merged with libertarian.

  11. Say it ain’t so shoeless Joe! Jones Santos is the ticket! They have to be on the ballot!

  15. No true libertarian would vote for Trump. Trump’s MAGA party loves the power of the state. The MAGA movement is all about making the American people bow to the will of a cadre of religious and nationalist zealots who deeply desire the monitoring, control, and punishment of anyone with a lifestyle at even the slightest variance from their imagined norm.

    Project 2025, their roadmap to the future, is a roadmap to a hellscape for libertarians, with massive expansions of the power of government. MAGA doesn’t want a smaller, smarter, or less intrusive government at all. Their vision relies creating a constant, intrusive Panopticon of monitoring and control, just like the Chinese, but with flag, eagle, and Punisher skull branding.

    Even libertarians believe the rule of law is a fundamental underpinning of liberty. If libertarians believe that the government’s role should be bounded and strictly limited to protecting individuals’ rights to life, liberty, and property by the most minimal state possible, MAGA, as the Gen Z kids say, ain’t it, boss. QED, every word from them about Donald Trump’s legal challenges. “We love the rule of law, but the divine right of Trump is our guiding principle” isn’t exactly libertarianism at its finest.

    MAGA and Trump, if they can be said to have one unifying policy belief, is that it’s time to round up the immigrants to America and ship them home. Their number varies depending on the phase of the moon and where they are on their oxycontin dose that day, but in a second Trump term, between 7 and 25 million immigrants are going to be rounded up, placed in detention camps, and shipped back to their home countries.

    To do this, Stephen Miller’s vision of America must vastly expand police forces at the state and federal levels and surveillance powers so wildly that the Patriot Act will look like a post office renaming. A party that wants to monitor women’s periods, create a national registry of pregnant women, and merrily seeks to ban travel, birth control, and medical privacy over abortion isn’t exactly a poster child for libertarian beliefs, either.

    Trump’s economic ideas are a moronic gumbo anathema to libertarians. He most certainly believes in picking economic winners and losers, offering selective and preferential tax treatment to his donor class. Sure, libertarians love low taxes, but not low taxes where the President picks and chooses who gets the tax cuts as a political payoff.

    Trump also embraces a portfolio of discredited economic nostrums around trade and tariffs, none of which are even vaguely libertarian. Far from ending the Fed, Trump has lately stated he wants to put the Fed Chairman under the President’s direct control.

    The “libertarians” who say they will vote for Trump were never really libertarians.

  18. Trump is much better than Biden (or Kennedy) and will be much better on his second term than he was in his first.

  21. Will Trump still pick some libertarians for his cabinet after they chose a communist to run against him?

  23. They deserve some recognition for running a communist who will split some commie votes off from Biden.

  26. Funny how they didn’t proceed to run ter Maat against NOTA, the way they ran Oliver against NOTA. Scared NOTA would win hm?

  27. Ter Maat had over 50% of the vote, that’s why. Oliver didn’t until the end.

    NOTA was the best candidate.

  30. 7 ballots and only 60% supported him even when he was the last candidate left. Everyone else would have literally rather had NO candidate. Clearly the LP candidate least well supported, even by his own party, since at least 1984, or maybe ever.

  31. Too bad. As a Life Member of the LP, I will not be voting US president in 2024. I’d imagine that a lot of real libertarians will echo the same sentiment, or heaven forbid, vote for Trump instead. Sad that the LP has morped back to leftism.

  32. Steven, vote for a different third party. The worse Chase Oliver does the better chance they get a real libertarian in 28.

  34. HOW MANY PRO/ANTI PERSONALITY CULTS IN THE LP VS

    GETTING STATIST LAWS REPEALED AND LP LAWS ENACTED ???

  37. So this ex Democrat Chase Oliver whom nobody has ever heard from , stands for open borders,, which is a disastrous stand simply by seeing what’s occurring with the current borders over. It’s been nothing short of an invasion. Then he is for drag queen story hour. And the Libertarian Party thought he is better than Kennedy ??? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

    The LP are 🤡s. What a waste

  40. So, you don’t know what libertarian means, and you’re mad that libertarians are libertarian. Got it.

  44. I don’t know who that is. You still don’t know what libertarian means.

  45. Supporting lockdowns and mandates, pushing puberty blockers on children, and fundraising for Democrats is not libertarian. All of these things Chase Oliver does. He is a communist.

  46. Larry, I don’t think Chase supports lockdowns. I just saw a video where he talked about the dangerous overreach by the government forcing small businesses to close during the lockdowns. He mentioned his sister’s flower shop as being forced to close and so she had to work in the garden department of a large chain store that the government permitted to continue opening.

  47. He’s not pushing puberty blockers on children. Allowing kids to be who they are is a lot different from pushing something. Maybe the idea of free will doesn’t compute in your mind.

  48. When was the last time he fundraised for Democrats? He wasn’t always a libertarian. He doesn’t claim he was always a libertarian. Rectenwald was a Republican less than a year ago. Kennedy was a Democrat less than a year ago. Chase has been a Libertarian for over a decade.

  49. The retardedness by Whitfield and Stock’s many fake names is off the charts.

    Larry is 100% in this case. John supports child abuse.

  50. You support child abuse. And it is your retardedness and many fake names that are off the charts.

  51. @John
    Free will starts at 21. Or maybe 18. Depending on where you live. Obviously, I jest. But you cannot abuse your free will to destroy your body, when you are not old enough to bear that responsibility. And honestly, I don’t think anyone is ever sufficiently mature to know better than God.

  54. Nuna: There is no God and the Bible is just a book of fairy-tales. Any argument based on religion is worthless. All ethics and all morality comes from the minds of human beings.

  55. And the mind of human being comes from God. Every argument is based on “religion”, or more accurately on faith. Even the most fundamental and rigorous mathematical systems, like Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, are ultimately based on religion.

  56. 371 IS WHAT PERCENT OF ALL LP MEMBERS (OR EVEN OF ALL ADULTS IN THE USA ) ???

  57. Nuna: Nothing can come from something that does not exist. All religion is superstitious nonsense. Mathematics is definitely NOT based on religion. Faith is simple credulity. Marx was absolutely correct to point out that religion is the opium of the people.

  60. AZ is a bot. Bots can’t be retards or morons, only programmed to simulate them by trolls.

  61. “Nothing can come from something that does not exist.” Ah, so you admit that God exists.

    No, I don’t supposed it is completely sound to say that “mathematics is BASED ON religion”. But mathematics, like everything else – perhaps because of its purity and universality, more so than anything else – is a consequence of faith.

    Marxism is the opium of the ignorant: an ersatz religion, a product of the will to power, so totally empty and hollow that it cannot even measure up to paganism and idolatry, because it is so totally void of any essence or meaning.

  62. Stock didn’t admit God exists. You admitted you need remedial reading courses.

  64. Nuna: Hell no! I did not admit that God exists. God is something that does not exist just like leprechauns do not exist. You cannot be given a pot of gold from leprechauns because they do not exist. Just like you cannot be given any plot of land, a code of morality, or anything from God because God does not exist.

  65. Nuna: Using a word to represent an abstract idea is not proof of that abstraction’s existence. It is just words used to communicate ideas.

  66. ANY STATE LP N-O-T CERTIFYING 2024 LP CONV PREZ/VP CHOICES TO STATE REGIMES —

    ESP ANY GETTING A LP LNC MISES GANG PURGE EFFORT — SUCH AS LP MICH ???

  67. ANY USA/STATE/WORLD GAMBLING ON LP PREZ PCT IN NOV 2024 OF POPULAR VOTES – ???

    0
    1
    2
    3
    ETC.

    WIN AT LEAST 1 CENT ???

  68. If you say “nothing can come from something that does not exist”, and we accept that things do exist, they must have come from something: God.

    Since you bring up a code of morality, let us consider that. How is it that all people are born sharing the same inherent code of morality, which it takes years of brainwashing to break their conscience before they can let go of that and pursue silly fair tales about moral relatives like those of Nietzsche, Marx, Lacan and Foucault?

  69. Saying God exists doesn’t do anything to explain the universe existing, since it can’t explain how God came to be. You can say God always existed, and you can say the same thing about the universe. Even if you believe in a creator, it’s a long leap from that to claiming that the creator cares about anyone’s gender identity or transitioning. I’ve created sculptures – I don’t care about the fascinating lives of microorganisms on their surface or atoms in their insides.

  70. All people are born with a sense of morality? I’ve seen no evidence of that.

  71. One question for both Chase Oliver and Mike ter Matt: during the Covid tyranny, what actions did you personally take to challenge the cult of the omnipotent state and defend the rights of the individual? Like most Libertarian “leaders”, I suspect that both of you took no steps to question authority.

  72. HOW MANY BAN TROLL MORONS ARE 666 AGENTS OF THE FINAL ANTI-CHRIST ???

    EARLIER ANTI-CHRISTS —

    NAPOLEON ??? – DESTROYER OF OLDE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
    KAISER BILL ??? – WW I
    HITLER ??? – WW II

    CURRENT –
    PUTIN ???
    XI ???
    BIDEN ???
    TRUMP ???

    HOW MANY CURRENT ROBOTIC STOOGES / AGENTS / HACKS / SHILLS OF EACH ???

  73. Oliver ran for office in 2020 and 2022. Beyond that they’ll have to answer themselves.

  75. ANY WRITTEN/ORAL QUESTIONS ASKED OF PREZ/VP CANDS BEFORE VOTING ???

    PLATFORM
    BYLAWS
    SOCIAL
    ECONOMIC
    RELIGION
    ETC.

    —
    MORE REASONS FOR ALL MAIL BALLOTS OF ALL LP MEMBERS FOR ELECTION OF LP OFFICERS AND PUBLIC OFFICE CANDIDATES.

  77. To answer “Question’s” question from above, I’d be willing to bet that Oliver and ter Maat were both hard-core maskers during Covid. They were unwilling to have a 20-second conversation with some bureaucrat demanding that they wear a mask.

    I remember the days when there were real libertarians like Paul Jacob who actual defied government tyranny.

  79. Personally choosing to wear a mask, regardless of your opinion of that, is not incompatible with opposing lockdowns. That should go without having to be explained.

  80. “All people are born with a sense of morality? I’ve seen no evidence of that.”
    Yes. I feel kind of cheap, plagiarizing Ron Paul’s words from just the other day, but look at the Sumerians and their natural sense of the NAP: you don’t lie, you don’t steal, you don’t murder, etc. Every civilization in history as independently come up with very similar rules based on an underlying sense of right and wrong.
    Young children, before they are old enough to have been corrupted by moral relativism and post-structuralism, inherently know right from wrong, know to feel guilty, know to be sneaky, etc. A code of morality is hard coded into every human before leaving the womb.

    “You can say God always existed, and you can say the same thing about the universe.”
    Can you say that about the universe though? Cosmology suggests no, which is how we arrive at the Big Bang hypothesis. The closest thing to an eternally old universe, is the idea that the universe keeps collapsing to and expanding from a singularity, in which case everything in the universe – all of Creation – is not persistent and eternal.

    “I’ve created sculptures – I don’t care about the fascinating lives of microorganisms on their surface or atoms in their insides.”
    Firstly, if you really cared about your sculpture, deeply, if you loved it as your child, then you would care about those things. And that would be guaranteed with certainty by knowledge (omniscience) of those tiniest building blocks, and your power (omnipotence) to manipulate them.
    Secondly, when you create a sculpture, you are merely remolding the clay – fashioning it differently. You have not truly created it in any sense. To create it, you would need to have that full knowledge and full control over every aspect of it at all levels, including microorganisms, atoms, subatomic particles, everything – including more abstract aspects like its “substance” in the Platonic sense.

  81. Trump asked to be invited. The ruling clique welcomed the opportunity. They got a lot of press attention out of it and made a lot of money on this convention as a result. Mission accomplished. Those who wanted to purge them had an opportunity at the convention. They failed, and an overwhelming majority of Mises Caucus members are on the new LNC. They had less luck with presidential ticket nomination.

  82. @Matt He asked? It wasn’t originally McArdle’s idea? How do you know? If true, his horrible behavior vis a vis Mapstead and Starchild is even more inexcusable.

  83. Civilizations borrow from each other, and are a long way from creating anything independently. It’s not the same thing as saying people are born with a sense of morality. There’s a certain sort of rules which tend to lead to peace and prosperity, but gender roles and transitions between them are not among those. Different cultures have treated that differently, and still do. Anyone who raised kids would know that any rules, including not hitting others or taking their things, have to be taught. If kids were inherently moral from birth, life would be a lot easier.

    If I wrote a play or movie script, I might care about how it’s staged – not what’s going on with the actors gut parasites, except to the extent they impact their work. If I staged a scientific experiment, I care about certain details, not every tiny conceivable subatomic aspect, unless it’s at that scale.

    There’s no logical contradiction to a universe that repeatedly collapses in an endless series of big bangs. There is also no logical contradiction in a creator that creates the universe and then leaves it alone, or doesn’t pay attention to details as minor as us. We’re projecting parental love of children, which itself isn’t even nearly as universal as we’d like to think, unto a hypothetical creator.

  84. I read in numerous places that he asked. It’s not been officially confirmed as far as I know. Officially,the LP invited Trump, Kennedy, and Biden, and to my surprise, 2/3 accepted. Later, I read that he asked.

    Security, not Trump, took down starchild and took down Mapstead posters, although Trump would probably order them to do exactly that. However, I doubt he micromanaged to that extent.

  86. “Civilizations borrow from each other, and are a long way from creating anything independently”
    Well, in as far as civilizations arose without any contact yet with similar moral codes, they kinda did. Wouldn’t you agree? And even still in recent history, it still sometimes happened that some completely isolated tribe was discovered, yet they also had their own implementation of the same moral code as everyone else.

    “There’s a certain sort of rules which tend to lead to peace and prosperity”
    Are you saying civilizations evolve according to a survival of the fittest-like principle. Civilizations independently arrive at roughly the same rules, because those rules work better. And the civilizations that had worse rules, collapse and were lost to history without any trace?

    “but gender roles and transitions between them are not among those.”
    I strongly beg to differ. Gender roles, or more accurately sex roles (since people don’t have genders, words have genders), are the backbone of peace and prosperity. Whenever a society starts treating men and women too similarly or interchangeably, it collapses.

    “Anyone who raised kids would know that any rules, including not hitting others or taking their things, have to be taught. If kids were inherently moral from birth, life would be a lot easier.”
    Having a moral code is not the same as acting morally. Unfortunately. Knowing right from wrong, doesn’t mean you will never do wrong. For example, a child might still steal but would inherently know to be sneaky about it. They know it is wrong without being taught that.

    “If I wrote a play or movie script, I might care about how it’s staged – not what’s going on with the actors gut parasites, except to the extent they impact their work. If I staged a scientific experiment, I care about certain details, not every tiny conceivable subatomic aspect, unless it’s at that scale.”
    But that is because you are only human. You are imperfect. You lack omniscience and omnipotence. If you had the capacity/ability to care about every detail, surely you would, if you cared enough about your play/script/experiment. Right?

    I’m going to chicken out of addressing your last point. Because we would quickly get bogged down in “but you can feel the love, you can see the care and attention that went into every detail”-type arguments. Which I have never found particularly compelling – much less attractive – myself.

  87. HOW MANY MAJORITY RULE AND MINORITY RULE REGIMES IN WORLD HISTORY ???

    WHICH HAVE SURVIVED THE LONGEST ???

    NOTE — MANY REGIMES CLAIMING TO BE MAJORITY RULE REGIMES ARE DE FACTO MINORITY RULE REGIMES —

    PRIME EXAMPLE – USA REGIME AND ALL 50 STATE REGIMES — DE FACTO MINORITY RULE GERRYMANDER REGIMES CLAIMING TO BE *DEMOCRATIC* —- 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4.
    —-
    PR – LEGIS
    APPV – EXEC/JUDIC
    TOTSOP

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