The Federalist Explains Democratic Party Rules for Presidential Nominations

Posted on by June 28, 2024

The Federalist has this article setting forth the rules for Democratic Party presidential selection.

The article is somewhat flawed because it mentions that Ohio formerly had a deadline for parties to certify their national tickets in advance of the Democratic 2024 national convention, and it does not say that on June 2, Ohio relaxed its law.  However, that’s because the article was published on May 29, before Ohio changed its deadline.

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The Federalist Explains Democratic Party Rules for Presidential Nominations — 42 Comments

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  6. 25th amendment sounds in order. We should be more worried about Biden’s fitness to serve for the next seven months than his fitness to be the Democratic nominee. He won’t win another term. There may not be another term for anyone to win if the man we saw last night continues to hold the nuclear codes. Let’s put country over party.

  7. Ratings are meaninglessness in today’s multi media environment.

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  17. With a virtual convention they can nominate Biden and announce before the real convention that Biden is withdrawing.

    They can open the presidential nomination process and declare that the presidential candidate should be able to choose their running mate.

  18. They’d still be the delegates selected by the Biden campaign. They’d still have the problem that Harris is even less popular, and passing her over will create other problems for them.

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  21. @Pig Farmer,

    The delegates are not selected by the Biden campaign. It is also assumed that Biden’s withdrawal would not be wholly involuntary.

    But having the replacement nominee be chosen by the actual convention would produce more enthusiasm for the replacement. And if they stated it as “principle” that the presidential candidate choose their running mate it would be OK to skip over Harris.

  22. They are selected by the Biden campaign because they’re pledged to Biden, so any that decide to unpledge themselves can be replaced.

    It wouldn’t be ok to skip over Harris because she is identified as a black woman, regardless of what percent black she actually is. Michelle Obama, who is not actually a woman, is the only black prominent enough to where this wouldn’t cause a problem for them. S/He isn’t interested.

    Cooperation from Biden is a lot to assume.

  23. Assuming the Federalist is correct, which they regularly are, wouldn’t the “DNC’s Call for the 2024 Convention, Article IX.F.3.d” automatically release all pledged delegates from their pledge? In fact, doesn’t it sound quite plausible that such is the entire purpose of that sub-clause?
    Biden doesn’t have many friends in the Democratic Party – I can’t imagine why /s. The Clintons hate him, the Obamas dislike him, Harris and Pelosi want to get rid of him. So I don’t see much standing in the way of Biden getting removed, even if he does not wish to “gracefully bow out”, which should take little convincing. Sure, “doctor” Jill and Hunter will throw a fit about getting removed from power, but they are hardly a match for any of the factions within the DP.

    As for Big Mike claiming he isn’t interested, I don’t buy it at all. As I’ve said before, even if he doesn’t make a grab this election, sooner or later he will run for office. Maybe after coming out, because then he can try to campaign on becoming the first trans president, perhaps the first “woman” president as well, just like his “husband” campaigned on becoming the first black president despite being completely ineligible.
    But even in this election, I give Big Mike more chance of being the Democrat nominee than Newsom, Buttigieg, Harris, Warren or Clinton, who appear to be the other names getting floated as Biden’s potential replacements.

  24. Biden will be the nominee, simple and plain. If they were going to replace him it would have long since happened.

  25. @Roman Salute,

    Pledged delegates are required to vote for the candidate they are pledged to on the first ballot (unless the candidate releases them). It does not mean that they were chosen by Biden. Under my suggested scenario, Biden and Harris would be nominated at the online convention.

    Then before the real convention, Biden would announce his withdrawal, “My fellow Americans, …” They would change the rules to permit the convention to select the presidential and vice presidential nominees. This has the advantage of possibly generating actual enthusiasm for the presidential candidate. There could be a risk of a deadlocked convention, but this is less likely given that the potential candidates haven’t spent the last several months sniping at each other. Sanders is 82, Clinton 76, Warren 75, Clyburn 83, Pelosi 84, John Lewis deceased. They are not viable replacements for someone who is being removed at age 81. Also you won’t a bunch of leftist delegates brought in by someone like Sanders. You will have a lot of middle-aged to elderly delegates who are excited about going to Chicago and voting for Biden.

  26. They’re chosen by the campaign in the sense that the campaign deals them out of their plans change and has them sign contracts to make sure of this.

  27. You’re not really thinking how this would play to the voters who voted in their primary or might have with different choices.

    You’re not considering that Biden will simply not walk away.

    You’re not considering who the potential replacements would be and the sniping between them and their supporters.

  32. “You will have a lot of middle-aged to elderly delegates who are excited about going to Chicago and voting for Biden.”

    Which is what they will do. QED

  33. They have no consensus replacement. There’s none of the popular buy in of primaries. It would be an elitist process, compressed in time. Shoving Biden aside against his will – or family will, if he doesn’t have a microbe’s presence of mind – seems even less plausible.

    Let’s not forget he is Beijing Quisling Biden. Will his Red Chinese masters know as fully that they own the replacement players, and have equal confidence in them?

  34. Whether they keep Biden or manage to replace him, they’re going to have problems with chunks of their own party, never mind anyone on the fence.

    Trump will win big, no matter what.

    Huge.

    It will be the closest thing to an old fashioned landslide in the 21st century.

    Even after they are done cheating as much as they can.

  35. @Roman Salute,

    There are no contracts. In some states that elect delegates directly, the presidential candidate may have to give consent.

    In 1968, nobody anticipated that LBJ would withdraw. Though you use a pseudonym, I am almost certain that you are not among the inner coterie of political advisors to Joe Biden.

    Most Democrat voters stayed home, unless the presidential primary was combined with other offices. Some voted for other candidates – but not because they had ever heard of who they voted for, but because they were not Biden. Others looked at the ballot – and thought “hmm, Joe Biden sounds familiar. I’ll vote for him.” Some voted for Joe Biden, but very few were enthusiastic.

    What I meant by middle-aged to elderly delegates, is delegates who were long-time Democratic activists, and wanted to go to a Democratic convention. Contrast that with 2016 where many wanted Sanders and had not got involved in party affairs until he came along. Some may have been enthusiastic for Clinton, or at least were against Sanders. Once Biden withdraws, they will be wooed by potential replacements.

  36. The major parties make their electors sign contracts as delegates for the candidates they are delegates bound for, as well as to support the eventual nominee. Since they have presumptive nominees there’s also stuff about acceptable ranges of nonsupport behavior for those who back other candidates, like we did Ron Paul when he ran Republican for President.

    How do they get to be delegates in the first place, not including super delegates, except by being active with that campaign?

    Granted in Biden’s case that may not mean a lot of enthusiasm for Biden, although to the very limited extent Biden has enthusiastic supporters, being Biden delegates to the national convention is a pretty likely spot to find those.

    The problem is not so much that primary voters enthusiastically voted for Biden. I’m going to guess you’re right. Most of them voted unenthusiastically for him. It’s that none of them voted for any of the potential replacements, and thus there’s none of the buy in that primaries are designed to create.

    You make replacement candidates will woo them sound friendly. In reality it’s likely to get quite ugly and contentious, and it would be an elitist process where only the delegates get to vote. Exactly what the primaries are designed to avoid. They could be headed for 1924 inside the hall and 1968 outside at the same time.

    Once Biden withdraws is almost certainly wishful thinking. I don’t think he will withdraw, for reasons I said.

    You are correct. I don’t support Demonrats. I’ve supported the Republican, Libertarian, and Constitution Parties. But, I do watch their propaganda networks sometimes to get their spin from their insiders. For the dims, msnbc much more than CNN since I find the non-stop bottom scrolling text thing on CNN annoying. While I am what you might consider far right and far from agreement with them, it’s more like opposition research to me. I like to get different perspectives when I can. I listened to them discuss it on a few of their shows.

  37. @RS,

    Who are the contracting parties? Are these contracts spelled out in the convention or party rules?

    It depends on the state how the delegates are selected. Party rules might dictate the numbers, but not who is selected. In 2024, since there was no contest, delegate selection could have been more of an honorarium. It certainly is not going to be like 1924 where the factions existed going into the convention, and they eliminated the 2/3 rule decades ago.

    A convention process will be much less elitist than a decision by the DNC after the convention. That is the reason I suggested that the party will go ahead with the online convention even though it is no longer necessary because of the change in the Ohio law. The suggestion of using the in-person convention to choose a replacement is more of a possibility than a probability. At the on-line convention they can play long videos showing Joe Biden lifeguard, and commuter from Delaware, etc.

    The scrolling on the bottom of the screen is a “chyron” pronounced with a hard c and a long I sound. The technology of adding text to a video feed was invented by the Chyron Corporation in the 1970s.

  38. Mr. Riley, sorry, I’m putting more time into this than I can rationally justify. Hide and watch, they will officially nominate Biden Harris in less than three weeks. If I was a betting man, I’d put money on it. I know what a chyron is. The kind where the text scrolls non-stop is annoying. So I switch those, regardless of ideology.

  39. @RS,

    Of course they will nominate Biden at the online convention. You have failed to understand why they are still going to have the online convention, and then an in person convention.

  40. The in person convention will be for rah rah speeches and a propaganda show, sane as each one since 1972.

  42. Harris will be Biden’s VP candidate, or she will be Presidential candidate and President. There is no other path forward, for our party, for our country, or for the world.

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