On the evening of July 12, the presidential nominees of the Libertarian, Green, and Constitution Parties debated each other. The event was in Las Vegas and lasted almost two hours. See it here. The moderators were Kentucky Congressmember Thomas Massie, and Christina Tobin of Free and Equal, which organized the debate.
Chase Oliver won that debate, it wasnt even close. I didnt hear him stutter ONCE!
Chase Oliver supports child abuse. He is a secret communist.
Chase Oliver won and he was the best speaker of the three of them. Jill Stein also did well but Randall was terrible. The Constitutional party is also Libertarian in economic terms and he could not highlight any of those points.
Are you kidding me? Terry won easily on both style and substance!
ANY SO-CALLED MAIN MEDIA SHOW UP AND RECORD/REPORT ANYTHING ???
Nope.
Ballot access is going to be pretty bad for the Constitution Party this year.
Why would it be bad? Word has it Terry is raising a lot of money, plus he clearly won the debate.
Dr. Stein and Chase did great, the only thing that was missing was one of them throwing glitter at Randall Terry a la icon Vermin Supreme
Comrades,
I’m no fan of Randall Terry’s views, but I think he was the best master debater, LOL.
Randall Terry blew it out of the park, as expected.
Chase Oliver actually spoke really well. Audibly at least, visually he looked like a used car salesman. But he made all the right noises and meticulously minced his way through all his controversial opinions. He talked the talk this time, unfortunately he does not walk the walk, so it’s all BS.
Jill Stein was an utter train wreck. Between antisemitic blood libels and climate hoax lies, she somehow managed to bring up the Shah of Iran and smear him has puppet dictator of the CIA… She kept going over time and is the only candidate whose mic had to be turned off. It was complete dumpster fire.
And Robert Kennedy and Cornel West couldn’t even be bothered to take part in the debate, despite both being “featured speakers” at the event. Not cool. I didn’t expect Biden or Trump to have the balls to show up, but these guys were already there anyway. And isn’t Kennedy always going on about how nobody wants to debate him? For him, this was seriously bad optics.
Calling a Jewish person anti-Semitic? Islamophobic anti-Semites are something else!
And even many right-wingers acknowledge that climate change is real, so calling it a hoax is absolutely delusional.
I know some people in my state who would really appreciate Terry’s stances and energy (sadly they won’t appreciate the hair), but I fear he won’t make it on the ballot!
I want to support my friends by allowing them the option to vote for someone I don’t support. Am I a fool?
The hair was supposed to be for a movie. I guess they must still be shooting. I don’t see why they’re doing poorly with ballot access when he supposedly is getting a lot of donations? Is the donation part even true? Are June numbers out yet?
@Progressive Leftists
Supporting the genocide of the Jewish people and the occupation of Israel is antisemitic. Opposing Israel’s right to defend itself against genocide and occupation is antisemitic. Jill Stein is antisemitic. It’s as simple as that.
You “progressive” leftists always like to talk about “following the science”, where by “science” you mean the “consensus” among those who haven’t been ostracized for actually following the science. By definition there is no such thing as “scientific consensus”, that is a contraction in terms, but the consensus among climate scientists is actually that the phenomenon which non-scientists sloppily bundle together under “climate change”, are not caused by human activity but are the result of natural cycles which remain poorly understood.
Ergo, “anthropogenic climate change” is a hoax. Left and right don’t come into it. It is simply a fairy-tale that goes against all evidence.
But since leftists are more prone to delusions because it allows them to pursue their perverse desire for control and oppression of others, leftists tend to be the ones who delusionally cling to this hoax regardless of how much lying it takes.
@Adam Cerini
It makes you an idealist rather than a pragmatist. Whether that is foolish or not, depends on whether or not democracy is in fact less bad than any other form of government that has been tried.
@Carl
Terry’s campaign manager Joe Slovenec just told IPR’s Joe Buchman the other day that “Originally all we really wanted was 10 states. That’s all we really need for our media campaign. […] because if you are on the ballot in 10 states, you can place national ads in all 50 states, and the FCC cannot censor your ad 60 days prior to the election. The key states we wanted were Virginia because of its proximity to DC. We wanted New Jersey so we could advertise in New York, etc. Our whole goal is putting our commercials on television, our radio spots on the radio. You can see those at our website, http://www.Terry2024.com and while you’re there, hey, feel free to make a donation! You want to see any of these ads on television? Make a huge donation and we’ll make sure we get them on. […] 20 would be solid; the Party thinks that we could do a little better, but 20 would be great.”
You didn’t answer any of my questions. You can try again, or maybe someone else could do better at it.
For anyone who doesn’t feel like scrolling past all that jibber jabbering to find them, they were
1. I don’t see why they’re doing poorly with ballot access when he supposedly is getting a lot of donations?
2. Is the (getting a lot of) donations part even true?
3. Are June numbers out yet?
You misunderstand. I gave you a (condensed) quote to show that they don’t consider themselves to be doing poorly with ballot access at all, so you are asking the wrong questions.
Whether expanding ballot access is the purpose of the Constitution Party or not, it is not the purpose of Terry’s campaign: they are only interested in getting enough ballot access to place national ads in all 50 states without the FCC censoring them. Airing those ads is what they want to spend donations on, not on growing ballot access.
I’ll give you another quote and a link to the interview:
“there are states that just may need just this one little thing, and then it’s done. Maybe just a signature from Randall, or the like. We are solid right now at 14 or 15 states and that’s growing. We’ll finalize Michigan on the 27th of this month. So it’s one state at a time. Finalizing things in Colorado. I have a whole list where there’s just a very little bit of paperwork that is required.”
https://independentpoliticalreport.com/2024/07/ipr-interview-cp-campaign-director-joe-slovenec-re-ballot-access-ice-t-endorsement-of-randall-terry/
Can you just let someone else answer? That would be great.
Andy says they’re doing bad with ballot access. Joe says they’re not, I guess?
Numbskull says blahblahblahblah…x10000…blah…
I guess the new question
1. Doing bad or good should be compared to what. Other 3rd-9th parties? Their own immediate past performance in this regard?
Remaining q
2. Is the (getting a lot of) donations part even true?
3. Are June numbers out yet?
May according to some dude named George who heard it from some dude named Jose:
Robert F Kennedy Jr. (I) $2,568,406.27
Jill Stein (G) 398,411.38
Cornell West (I) 61,072.95
Claudia De La Cruz (S&L) 36,656.78
Chase Oliver (L) 24,164.44
Randall Terry (C) 23,680.00
Somebody else, I forgot who or where, claims in reply that Terry brought in a much bigger haul in June, but at that time the exact numbers were not yet available.
So, I thought this might be a good place to find out if they are available yet to see whether that’s true or false.
Maybe my questions are the wrong questions for you. Fine. Then they are not for you. In which case, maybe you can let someone else answer?
That would be super awesome.
Oh crap. That was way too long. Only a crazy person would read all that, much less answer. Tl;Dr in next comment. Hopefully numbchucks will not bury it again and let some one else who is not Nuna reply? Pretty please?
Andy: Ballot access is going to be pretty bad for the Constitution Party this year.
GZSR: Word has it Terry is raising a lot of money, plus he clearly won the debate.
Carl: What number of states would be bad or good ballot access for them? What’s a lot of money and when did he raise it? Numbers please, someone?
Fuck you. I gave you the answer as well as a source for you to follow up further. It’s not my fault you don’t like it, you rude asshole.
Joe Buchman (contributing editor at Independent Political Report):
Where are you on the ballot now?
Joe Slovenec (Constitution Party campaign director/manager for Randall Terry and Stephen Broden):
That’s a good question because there are states that just may need just this one little thing, and then it’s done. Maybe just a signature from Randall, or the like. We are solid right now at 14 or 15 states and that’s growing. We’ll finalize Michigan on the 27th of this month. So it’s one state at a time. Finalizing things in Colorado. I have a whole list where there’s just a very little bit of paperwork that is required.
Joe Buchman:
What’s your aspirational goal for ballot access by November?
Joe Slovenec:
Originally all we really wanted was 10 states. That’s all we really need for our media campaign. Originally we were doing this as independents, but I was the executive director of the U.S. Taxpayers Party in the late 90s. So I contacted the chairman of the Constitution Party (which was originally the US Taxpayer’s Party) Jim Clymer. So we went through their process and presented our case to a number of the state executive committees prior to their national convention. Then at the national convention we won hands-down as their nominee. So that helped us with the ballot access.
So our original goal of 10, if we were doing it by ourselves, all of a sudden we knew we would have that. We have no realistic aspiration of ever being in the White House. That’s not going to happen to a minor party at this time. But our goal is to get 10 states, because if you are on the ballot in 10 states, you can place national ads in all 50 states, and the FCC cannot censor your ad 60 days prior to the election. The key states we wanted were Virginia because of its proximity to DC. We wanted New Jersey so we could advertise in New York, etc.
Our whole goal is putting our commercials on television, our radio spots on the radio. You can see those at our website, http://www.Terry2024.com and while you’re there, hey, feel free to make a donation! You want to see any of these ads on television? Make a huge donation and we’ll make sure we get them on.
Joe Buchman:
That’s useful background, but what’s your aspirational goal for November? How many states do you hope to have?
Joe Slovenec:
20 would be solid; the Party thinks that we could do a little better, but 20 would be great.
So whether or not the Constitution Party wishes to use the 2024 presidential campaign to expand the party’s ballot access, Randall Terry and Stephen Broden’s campaign acknowledges that they are not going to get elected in November, so they want to use their funds to get as many people around the nation as possible to see their ads as possible, and especially people who might be vote Democrat out of stupidity rather than because they are evil.
They have ballot access in more than enough states to be allowed to air their ads nationally, without FCC censorship for the 60 days leading up to election day. They will use however much they raise in donations towards the airing of those ads.
Then they’re not thinking it through very well. More people will see their ads if more people are more aware that they’re running. More people will be more aware that they’re running if they get more media coverage, are on more sample ballots, etc.
Getting on the ballot in more states, and doing so sooner rather than later, helps build campaign momentum, including donations. Some people will only donate to candidates who are on the ballot in states where they live and ads that air where they and people they talk to in person frequently can see them.
And so on.
If it’s true that they brought in a lot more money in June than in May, they would be very, very stupid to sit on it until the 60 day time frame before the election.
Or to neglect ballot access in favor of whatever else they spend it on in the meantime.
The biggest long term ROI for them between now and early September would be ballot access. After that, ads.
It might just be that the supposed June money haul is a myth. Fec.gov should answer Carl’s questions:
Are the June Numbers available yet? If so, what are they?
Of course, it got buried. I’m not going to read what it got buried by. I scrolled through it and saw no dollar signs or numbers with more than two digits.
Andy: Ballot access is going to be pretty bad for the Constitution Party this year.
GZSR: Word has it Terry is raising a lot of money, plus he clearly won the debate.
Carl: What number of states would be bad or good ballot access for them? What’s a lot of money and when did he raise it? Numbers please, someone?
Someone.Who.Is.Not.Nuna.
Thanks in advance.
@Facepalm
Oh I’m not saying your wrong about that. And I’m sure the CP would love to get ballot access in every state. All I’m saying is that based on what Joe Slovenec said, Terry’s campaign does not appear to be prioritizing that.
Now please pardon me while I make sure that rude asshole’s post gets buried again until he learns to not to call people “Numbskull” and “numbchucks” just because he doesn’t like their answers to his questions.
@Carl
Joe Buchman (contributing editor at Independent Political Report):
Where are you on the ballot now?
Joe Slovenec (Constitution Party campaign director/manager for Randall Terry and Stephen Broden):
That’s a good question because there are states that just may need just this one little thing, and then it’s done. Maybe just a signature from Randall, or the like. We are solid right now at 14 or 15 states and that’s growing. We’ll finalize Michigan on the 27th of this month. So it’s one state at a time. Finalizing things in Colorado. I have a whole list where there’s just a very little bit of paperwork that is required.
Joe Buchman:
What’s your aspirational goal for ballot access by November?
Joe Slovenec:
Originally all we really wanted was 10 states. That’s all we really need for our media campaign. Originally we were doing this as independents, but I was the executive director of the U.S. Taxpayers Party in the late 90s. So I contacted the chairman of the Constitution Party (which was originally the US Taxpayer’s Party) Jim Clymer. So we went through their process and presented our case to a number of the state executive committees prior to their national convention. Then at the national convention we won hands-down as their nominee. So that helped us with the ballot access.
So our original goal of 10, if we were doing it by ourselves, all of a sudden we knew we would have that. We have no realistic aspiration of ever being in the White House. That’s not going to happen to a minor party at this time. But our goal is to get 10 states, because if you are on the ballot in 10 states, you can place national ads in all 50 states, and the FCC cannot censor your ad 60 days prior to the election. The key states we wanted were Virginia because of its proximity to DC. We wanted New Jersey so we could advertise in New York, etc.
Our whole goal is putting our commercials on television, our radio spots on the radio. You can see those at our website, http://www.Terry2024.com and while you’re there, hey, feel free to make a donation! You want to see any of these ads on television? Make a huge donation and we’ll make sure we get them on.
Joe Buchman:
That’s useful background, but what’s your aspirational goal for November? How many states do you hope to have?
Joe Slovenec:
20 would be solid; the Party thinks that we could do a little better, but 20 would be great.
@Carl
So whether or not the Constitution Party wishes to use the 2024 presidential campaign to expand the party’s ballot access, Randall Terry and Stephen Broden’s campaign acknowledges that they are not going to get elected in November, so they want to use their funds to get as many people around the nation as possible to see their ads as possible, and especially people who might be vote Democrat out of stupidity rather than because they are evil.
They have ballot access in more than enough states to be allowed to air their ads nationally, without FCC censorship for the 60 days leading up to election day. They will use however much they raise in donations towards the airing of those ads.
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June numbers are not available yet. What I did find at fec.gov does not match George and Jose’s numbers. It’s through the end of May, like their numbers claimed to be. I wonder if their numbers are for just May only. I didn’t see a way to separate that out.
Randall Terry
through 05/31/2024
Receipts $157,658
Disbursements $130,607
Cash on hand $27,051
Debts owed by committee $12,500
Chase Oliver
through 05/31/2024
Receipts $108,185
Disbursements $82,823
Cash on hand $25,362
Debts owed by committee $0
At first glance it might appear that Oliver vs Terry disproves what I said at 10:04. However, Oliver has a lot of internal opposition in his party. But, he’s also starting from a much better ballot access baseline then Terry, if he manages to not get administratively removed or sued off the ballot by his state and national parties and various other groups and individuals who have some affiliation with them.
Oliver also got nominated about a month later than Terry and was not anything like a presumptive nominee – it took a record 7 ballots. He beat not having a nominee by about 60-40% some time in the middle of the night after delegates put in a double shift.
Both are behind Claudia de la Cruz..
through 05/31/2024
Receipts $215,602
Disbursements $140,818
Cash on hand $74,784
Debts owed by committee $6,414
And Jill Stein
through 05/31/2024
Receipts $971,026
Disbursements $847,440
Cash on hand $119,015
Debts owed by committee $0
And Cornel West
through 05/31/2024
Receipts $1,076,057
Disbursements $1,060,676
Cash on hand $15,381
Debts owed by committee $28,580
And RFK Jr:
through 05/31/2024
Receipts $45,751,515
Disbursements $39,312,540
Cash on hand $6,438,975
Debts owed by committee $2,652,341
Nice. It looks like all the money on the left is abandoning Beijing Biden. All the money on the right is coalescing behind our miraculous hero and savior of America, Honest Donald Trump! Truly, the hand of Jesus was on his shoulder and performed a miracle to save his life! Jesus chose him to once again save America and make us great again!
Let us all pray for, praise, hold high, champion, donate, volunteer, and vote for Trump once more! I maxed out pre nomination, and will max out again post nomination as soon as that opens up! Thanks, failed loser commie bestialist assassin flop! Rot in hell, leftist trash.
Finally someone had some numbers. Unfortunately they were for the wrong month. I asked for June not May. Still asking. Someone need to post the June Numbers. Hurry before we get another numbnuts avalanche of doo doo! Hurry!
You’ll need to wait a few days or weeks until the fec posts those.