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European Green Party Endorses Kamala Harris — 46 Comments

  5. usa commie donkey party endorsing euro commie parties – UNDER VARIOUS OTHER NAMES – LABOUR / SOCIALIST / ETC ???

  11. I now endorse the ticket of Jill Stein and Anita Rios on the ballot in Ohio. Gotta counter-balance those Tahe European Green Party election saboteurs somehow.

    “What country is the Tahe European Green Party from?”
    Tahe Europe. You might have missed that one in the “Yakko’s World” song on Animaniacs. He sings those small European countries fairly quickly.

    @AZ, Daylight Saving Time always ends two days before Election Day (ever since the schedule changed, around 2007, from the old April-October schedule to the new March-November one). This is not a case of election interference, unless the Bush Administration somehow wanted to screw up all future elections from that point forward. I do believe that Daylight Saving Time should be abolished, or at least have the schedule pushed back again until the week after the election. If your username indicates the state where you live (Arizona) then you probably agree with abolishing it. We may have opposite approaches, though. Arizona stays on Standard Time year-round, while I would prefer to keep Daylight Time year-round. Put the daylight in the evening hours, where it belongs!

  12. Had the British Conservative Party had endorsed Trump the Left would freak out. Green Party, not a problem.

  13. Jill Stein is 100 times better than Kamala Harris. But I’m still voting for Chase Oliver.

  14. This is not a surprise. The European Greens have supported several wars. The German Green Party are the most pro-war of any other party in Germany. They have supported the wars against Serbia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. They have pressured Chancellor Scholz to be more supportive of the Ukraine War.

  17. “Thae was a typo, it is now fixed. It is The.”
    Tahe was a typo (obviously). You just typo’d the original typo. It’s now typoception!

    By the way, the one and only true “The” is The Ohio State University.

  18. Well said, Eric. The European Greens are corrupt garbage, no wonder they support scum like Holocaust Harris.

  19. Most Euro Green parties, and definitely the largest, in Germany, support the genocide in Gaza and NATO’s meddling in Ukraine. Plus, they’re not even that good of environmentalists, taking a largely neoliberal stance on climate change issues.

  21. Just you:

    Maybe you can define genocide and explain how it applies to events in Israel and Gaza?

  23. Aprril, “Mae Be” you can explain how Israel can possibly accomplish even the smallest portion of their objective without resorting to committing genocide. What is the endgame there? Again, “How many of us do you have to kill, to make us safe?”

  26. Pat Kiser, you were fully addressed in that conversation, in case you missed mine. The answer to your question was in my most recent response to you in that threat. You can still attempt an answer, which would start by defining genocide – the generic term – in your own words, as can anyone else. Although in this particular case, I was asking the person posting as “Just Me,” it’s an open challenge to anyone, including you.

  29. T-H-E USA CONST ???
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    ANY POLITICS DICTIONARY — THAT A-L-L FOLKS AGREE WITH ???

    LEFT – RIGHT – MIDDLE – GENOCIDE ???

  31. “Like other ultra-conservative politicians across the globe with whom [Trump] has close relationships, such as Vladimir Putin, Viktor Orbán, and Jair Bolsonaro, he would undermine democracy,”

    None of whom are as conservative as all that… Yet since all three of them are a lot better than Trump, how ’bout we swap him for any one of them?

  32. The response to define genocide (general verbal definition) and demonstrate that it applies to current events in Gaza continues to be underwhelming.

  33. The response to my challenge to watch that video posted by The Young Turks, and then provide your justification for each of Israel’s actions listed therein, remains underwhelming. By the way, that video was not even posted until the day after our previous most-recent posts in the other thread, so I obviously hadn’t seen it yet the last time we were discussing this topic.

  34. I’m not going to watch any videos. My challenge to “Just Me” or anyone else, including you if you want to participate, is to provide a verbal, general definition of genocide and then explain how it applies to current events in Gaza.

  36. HOW MANY 100 PERCENT WIPEOUT GENOCIDES AFTER OLDE JEWS CROSSED THE JORDAN RIVER INTO OLDE PALESTINE WITH ITS PHILISTINE CITY-STATES ???

    ZERO NEW AND DIFFERENT IN MIDDLE EAST IN 6,000 PLUS YEARS ???

    MUSLIM CONQUESTS IN 700S
    CRUSADES IN 1,000S PLUS
    MUSLIM INVASIONS IN SE EUROPE IN 1,500S
    ANTI-MUSLIM WARS IN SE EUROPE IN EARLY 1,900S – JUST BEFORE WW I
    WW I – ESP CHRISTIAN ARMENDIAN SUPER-GENOCIDE IN OTTOMAN EMPIRE — MODEL FOR HITLER IN 1939-1945

    JAP MASS MURDERS OF CHINESE IN 1937-1945

    ETC ETC ETC. BONES AND RUINS EVERYWHERE

  38. Why should it matter who Pat Kiser is and who else Pat Kiser or anyone else might be? Focus on the issues.

  39. Aprril, you keep demanding that others provide a definition of genocide, while failing to provide one yourself. I’m starting to think that you actually don’t know what that word means. Well, if you’re too lazy to look it up, why should I (or anyone else here) help you?

    Hamas killed and/or kidnapped an extremely small minority of the overall Israeli and American populations. By that metric, Hamas is not committing genocide, either. Yet you have consistently argued that Hamas is genocidal. So, either both sides are committing genocide, or neither side is. Pick one.

    Given the entire history of that region (not just the current conflict) how can there ever be any reconciliation? How does that go? What does that process look like? Explain to me exactly what Israel’s, non-genocidal, option for lasting peace actually is.

  40. I’m not too lazy to look it up. I already know what it means. You have not asked me, and before you do:

    1) I’m asking people who claim that Israel is conducting a genocide in Gaza, therefore it is logical to ask such people what they think genocide means and how they think that applies to what is happening in Gaza.

    2) I asked first.

    You keep responding as if I was solely addressing you. I’ve made it clear that I’m not.

    This is far from the only place that I’m posting this challenge. Anyone is welcome to reply. More directly on this site I was asking “Progressive Leftist” in the initial discussion and “Just Me” in this one, but since I don’t know whether or not you’re one, both, or neither of them, and don’t care, the challenge is open to you and anyone else.

    You keep responding, but your purpose seems to be to prevent other people from answering the question. That beings to mind an additional question: what are you scared of and why don’t you want other people to answer, especially but not only the people I was initially asking?

    Additionally, instead of all this dancing around a very simple question, why don’t you just take 30 seconds to define “genocide” verbally (copy and paste is ok if you’re really lazy) and explain how you think it applies to anything currently happening in Gaza?

    That’s the starting point for any discussion of you want to have one with me. If you don’t, that’s ok. I’d rather talk to someone else.

    If you meet this challenge, you can then ask questions of me. If you don’t, I wasn’t talking to you and am not interested in answering your questions, either.

    “Yet you have consistently argued that Hamas is genocidal”

    I didn’t argue anything. They have stated it themselves and make no effort to hide that that is their purpose. The ability to achieve that purpose is a separate question. I made that clear before.

    This is the last time you get this much benefit of the doubt.

    Although I’d rather not talk to you at all if you don’t start the discussion where I’ve asked you to start it, going forward if you insist on addressing me and misrepresenting what I’ve previously said I’ll just point out that you are being dishonest and ask you exactly what I said and exactly where I said it.

    If you answer my question, we can then discuss yours. If you don’t, I’d prefer to not talk to you at all. If you insist on talking to, at, or about me, I’ll just refer you to the initial starting point for a discussion if you want to have one with me and if you misrepresent things I’ve said I’ll just ask you to refer to exactly what I said and where I said it.

    None of your questions are hard to answer. I’ve answered various versions of them posed by many people in many places over the course of many years. But I won’t answer them here unless you answer the question I asked first.

  41. How are my posts preventing anyone else from responding to you?
    I know, you won’t answer that, either.

    It seems clear that nobody else is interested in having a discussion with you, much less repeatedly coming back to post such discussion in the comments section of an article, the topic of which has nothing to do with the topic of genocide that you seem to be so obsessed with. You say that you’ve asked the same question in numerous other places. Most of those places, I’ve never even been to, much less posted in. How many people actually answered your question, without my “interference”? How many definitions of genocide did you get? I don’t expect any answers from you, of course. I’d be happy to read the responses from Progressive Leftist and/or Just Me, if they ever bother to respond. See, I’m encouraging them to answer your question. I’m not blocking them in any way, shape, or form.

  43. Pat Kiser,

    Thank you for the encouragement. I hope that they will answer.

    I’m not obsessed with genocide. I don’t like the charge being levelled at folks who are only defending themselves from being subjected to another attempt at being wiped out “from the river to the sea” (and we’ve already seen what happens when Jews don’t have a homeland).

    I didn’t come up with October 7 – Hamas did. Proportional to the population of Israel that’s like if the terrorists killed 50,000 Americans on 9/11, if they also gang raped thousands of women to death in front of their families, cooked babies in front of their families, etc, and took thousands of hostages and beat, tortured, raped, starved, shot etc thousands of them to death while continuing to do all these things to possibly thousands more who might still be alive.

    We saw how the US handled 9/11 by comparison.

    I didn’t come up with the slogan 10,000 more October 7s – Hamas did. That would be 12 million people killed and millions of hostages. The number of Jews in Israel is about 8 million, so clearly they mean all Jews everywhere, including Jill Stein.

    But, were they to achieve that, that’s not all you get.

    They also mean everyone else who is not a Muslim, or the wrong kind of Muslim from their perspective. It would be conversion, death, or in some cases both. Gender and sexual minorities, anyone standing up to their dictatorship, people who run afoul of them for any reason – death, torture, gang rape, maiming, dismemberment, sadistic execution, dungeons, starvation, you name it.

    Women would merely get to be slaves.

    Children could be cannon fodder, domestic slaves, sex slaves, agricultural or factory slaves.

    Pets and domesticated animals would be abused much more than they are already as well.

    If you think they would be nice to the environment, you’ve got another thing coming.

    So, anytime anyone levels the blood libel accusations of genocide against Israel, I’m going to ask them to define the term, preferably in their own words, and explain how they think it pertains to what Israel is doing in Gaza or anywhere else.

    As mentioned, the response everywhere has been underwhelming.

    For example, some people will copy paste a link or definition, like AZ did right below you, and then follow it up with statements or questions that indicate they didn’t even read what they posted or linked, also like AZ did right below you.

    Some people will lazily take a few seconds to ask me to read books or watch half hour or hour long or multi hour videos etc.

    I know enough about war and video editing, particularly when you have professional writers and budgets, to know that any side of any war can be given the same treatment by video propagandists.

    No thanks; use your words on a level playing field. Your response won’t take me 30, 60 or more minutes to read, whereas the video it took you seconds to link would take that long to watch, occupy my A/V which might be being used for other things at the same time, require an environment sufficiently free of background noise, use up a bunch of data, etc.

    I’m not interested in asymmetrical information warfare with professional video propagandist production teams. I already know war is horrible and chaotic and that sometimes there is no alternative to defensive war.

    I know what can happen when a people doesn’t wage war in self defense, such as the holocaust. And turning the charge around and leveling it at its victims for defending themselves against another one being attempted isn’t going to get ignored.

    A lot of folks will ask questions without having answered even one.

    We’re not going to play that. Your questions will start getting answered if and when you start answering mine.

  44. If the population of Gaza, Judea and Samaria wanted to really mess with Israel, they would ask to be annexed. There are already over 2 million Israeli Arabs, over 20% of the population of Israel, who have all the rights of any other Israeli, including voting and serving as ppoliticians. Their population is already growing faster than the Jewish population of Israel.

    If they were joined by over 4 million Arabs in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza, you’d have close to as many Arabs as Jews, and the Arab population is growing faster.

    At that point, Israel would have to decide between being democratic and being a Jewish state, which are both fundamental to the Israeli identity. Israel would be tied in such knots over the controversy that the country would grind to a halt.

    Of course, these Arabs won’t ask for that, because they can’t even temporarily pretend to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist, much less pretend to be loyal to Israel. Even if it was the only way to eventually ethnically cleanse Israel of Jews, which their slogans, charters, and propaganda all openly advocate, they won’t even pretend temporarily .

    And of course they won’t even ask the 400+million Arabs in charge of dozens of countries to take the 4 million of their fellow Arabs in either , or for that matter the billion plus non Arab Muslims , or the billion or so North Americans and Europeans who take in millions of refugees from all over the world every year. But why would they even need to ask anyone except their fellow Arabs, or else ask to join Israel?

    We can get into the “two state solution” if we ever get to my questions getting answered.

  45. I think we US GREENS need to have a right ol sit down with the EUROPEAN GREENS and get some things straight!

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