On December 12, three U.S. Senators introduced SJRes 121, a proposed constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college. One of the sponsors, U.S. Senator Dick Durbin (D-Il.) is chair of the Judiciary Committee, although he won’t be chair in the new congress. Here is the Committee’s press release about the amendment.
Here is the text. The other co-sponsors are Peter Welch of Vermont and Brian Schatz of Hawaii.
In other words, corrupt communists.
Durbin should be charged with treason.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/23/politics/read-house-ethics-committees-report-on-matt-gaetz/index.html
GAETZ STUFF — BEING READ IN CIVICS CLASSES IN FLORIDA ???
UNIFORM DEFINITION OF USA VOTER AT LEAST IN ALL USA ELECTIONS —–
USA CITIZEN AT LEAST 18 YEARS OLDE ON E DAYS / BE REGISTERED BY 28 DAYS BEFORE E DAYS. — NOOO MENTAL / CRIMINAL LOOPHOLES
NONPARTISAN EXECS/JUDICS VIA APPV– PENDING CONDORCET = RCV DONE RIGHT
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ALSO —
PR
TOTSOP
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/world/2024/12/23/new-french-government-is-named-after-previous-one-collapsed-in-a-budget-fight/77177083007/
LAST 3 WORDS IN STORY –
France’s colossal debt
All three should be charged with treason, and given a fair trial after they are executed for it.
This is not really a good idea. The states are supposed to elect the President. Each state has different amounts of land and terrain and different populations. The electoral college is supposed to give the lower population states more influence than they would have otherwise. Shifting to pure popular vote for President would shift even more power to highly populated urban areas of high population states.
This country is supposed to be a constitutional republic which uses some democratic procedures. It is not supposed to be a pure democracy.
C(CP)NN is of course fake news.
This is much worse than a bad idea.
Fred, Gary, and Jelly B. Afro are correct.
The spambot is spamming cut and paste terrible ideas to take things from bad to much worse, as usual.
Andy, for centuries, the definition of a “republic” has been a country without a monarch, such as the Republics of Venice, and Switzerland, and then came the United States. Countries are simultaneously republics and democracies. The idea that the US is not a democracy was first promoted by the Jobn Birch Society in the late 1950’s, when it put up billboards saying the United States is a republic, not a democracy.
As to the concept of a “pure democracy”, a country in which the voters decide what the laws should be directly in elections, there is no such country, except Switzerland to a slight extent.
The US Constitution is in conflict with itself. The 14th amendment has been interpreted many times by the US Supreme Court to mean that each voter must be treated equally. When some voters have more power than other voters in the presidential election, that is not treating each voter equally. Once Georgia Democratic gubernatorial primaries used an “electoral college” in which each county had a certain number of “unit votes.” The U.S. Supreme Court struck it down as violating “one person, one vote”. If this were a logical country, the same ruling should apply in presidential general elections.
“The idea that the US is not a democracy was first promoted by the Jobn Birch Society in the late 1950’s, when it put up billboards saying the United States is a republic, not a democracy.”
That’s not even close to being true. The US founders wrote many things about the dangers of unrestrained democracy, which they accurately called mob rule. The idea that “democracy” is either the US form of government or something we should aspire to didn’t gain currency until the US unnecessary and harmful entry into WWI, a HHS horrible decision which was a disaster for both the US and the rest of the world.
Here’s a link from over a quarter century before the JBS was founded which points out the difference between Democracy and Republic:
https://www.1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvdem.htm
“The US Constitution is in conflict with itself. The 14th amendment has been interpreted many times by the US Supreme Court to mean that each voter must be treated equally.”
It’s not. The court just misinterpreted the improperly adopted and disastrous 14th amendment.
Here’s another link that proves Mr. Winger’s claim here is not accurate :
https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/12/08/3-quotes-from-founding-fathers-remind-us-why-we-are-a-constitutional-republic-not-a-democracy/
HHS is a typo above. That federal department didn’t exist then, and I didn’t intend to imply either that it had or that it had anything to do with the wartime propaganda about “democracy.”
More:
https://www.quora.com/Did-any-of-the-Founding-Fathers-of-the-United-States-write-approvingly-of-democracy
Richard Winger frequently points out that the presidential electors are the true candidates in a presidential election. Therefore, even if none of the comments below his @ 1257 were accurate, his point wouldn’t hold.
Every voter within each state is treated equally in choosing their state’s electors, and all electors are treated equally in choosing the president.
You expect Richard Winger to post facts instead of commie bullshit propaganda?
Nationalizing the presidential election would further centralise power in the federal government versus the states, which would confound the wrong headed and counterproductive problem of the wrong direction the united States moved in since they were founded as a union of sovereign states.
They should have moved in the opposite direction, which points out a flaw in the original design. The Max/Vera/Stan plan for local autonomy is a hypothetical endpoint of taking the US founding as a starting point and supposing things had moved in the opposite direction along all of the directions in which things have gone progressively more and more wrong ever since.
Pete, I’m hoping Mr. Winger will peruse the links and address the arguments. Barring that, or in addition, I hope anyone who agrees with him will do so. And even if not, the links and arguments could still prove useful to anyone who happens to read this, now or at any future point, regardless of whether they reply or not.
Trump is against this, so am I.
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.
The purest democracy is a lynch mob
Moving in the opposite direction along the various axes the uS government has evolved since its founding wound indeed be salutary, beneficial, and long overdue.