The U.S. House seat in New York’s 22nd district is still undecided. See this story. Thanks to Joe Burns for the link.
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One U.S. House District Race is Still Undecided — 19 Comments
Another case for ranked choice voting.
How do you figure Walter? NY-22 is being held up by numerous counting mishaps. Changing to a different voting system would not make it any easier to count votes, and there is no reason that this situation makes a case for RCV. In fact, it might make things worse by complicating the process— there are already several ballots that nobody knows whether or not they were counted, and holding more than one round of voting would make the election returns even less accurate then they already are.
That race had 3 candidates, including Keith D. Price, Jr., the Libertarian. So Walter is right.
@ MCUSAP:
Take a good look at all the numbers for ALL the candidates.
Dominion machines?
PR in ALL legislative body elections.
Candidate rank order lists of other candidates
—- pending delayed Condorcet via voters.
Will the USA H Rep hacks rule 1-5-1 —
regardless of any NY hacks ??? Stay tuned.
Pelosi wants every possible RED commie donkey hack.
Proportional representation in legislative races can only work with multi member districts. How big should such a district be? An entire state? Electing the entire legislature at large would eliminate gerrymandered districts altogether, but would make for complicated, long ballots, unless party list voting is used, as in Israel. IMO, most Americans would prefer to vote for individuals, and not parties.
That’s not true. There’s a way to make proportional representation work while not having lists. I’m not aware of anyone having this idea other than me.
1. Everyone goes and votes for a party for their legislature. Prospective candidates are required to register before this date.
2. Following results, you assign the number of seats to each party based on what they won (e.g. in a 100-seat legislature, if it goes 52 R, 46 D, 2 L, the Republicans would have 52 seats, the Democrats 46, and the Libertarians their 2).
3. The parties then draw their own districts equalizing the size based on votes received in areas.
4. They then hold their own internal party election for each district. That is why prospective candidates have to register up front. The only people allowed to vote would be those who voted for the party in the 1st election but it also means everyone has their own legislator.
Would work like a primary in reverse.
WZ –
PR districts — 5 to 12 Total Votes / Total Members — to have some longer term districts.
1 or more locals or part of 1 large local.
Split both D and R gangs.
How many gerrymander district changes for MANY voters in 1964/1966-2022
1964-/1966
1972
1982
1992
2002
2012
2022
plus residence machinations in most/all States — lots of bogus renter HACKS.
WZ –
PRE-election candidate rank order lists of other candidates.
TV/TM = EQUAL votes to elect each Member
surplus votes down
loser votes up
ALL votes count.
—
Advanced math delayed — to END ALL the statist ROT since 6,000 plus BC.
Spoiler alert. GOP wins.
@ Ryan:
Your method still has the problem that in the first round, voters still have to choose a party before they can choose any candidate. What’s worse, even if they like any of the candidates of a party, there is no guarantee that that candidate will end up being a choice in their district.
If I am not mistaken. I recall some years ago that Ohio had to elected their entire state legislature at large because federal courts had thrown out their legislative districts. In their any record of voter satisfaction of that method?
I can imagine Representatives in Congress being elected at large by ranked choice voting, if the number of districts is not too large. I seem to recall that Rep. Conyers introduced a bill that would require any state with fewer than 6 Representatives in Congress to elect them at large by ranked choice voting, and that every state with more create multi member districts.
Many USA Reps were elected at large in 1932 –
in part due to the blatantly UN-constitutional failure to re-apportion 435 Reps after the 1920 [1920] Census.
Contributed to USA regime becoming Donkey RED communist in 1933-1935.
If New York used an open primary like Louisiana, the runoff would already be over.
Another case for ranked choice voting.
How do you figure Walter? NY-22 is being held up by numerous counting mishaps. Changing to a different voting system would not make it any easier to count votes, and there is no reason that this situation makes a case for RCV. In fact, it might make things worse by complicating the process— there are already several ballots that nobody knows whether or not they were counted, and holding more than one round of voting would make the election returns even less accurate then they already are.
That race had 3 candidates, including Keith D. Price, Jr., the Libertarian. So Walter is right.
@ MCUSAP:
Take a good look at all the numbers for ALL the candidates.
Dominion machines?
PR in ALL legislative body elections.
Candidate rank order lists of other candidates
—- pending delayed Condorcet via voters.
Will the USA H Rep hacks rule 1-5-1 —
regardless of any NY hacks ??? Stay tuned.
Pelosi wants every possible RED commie donkey hack.
Proportional representation in legislative races can only work with multi member districts. How big should such a district be? An entire state? Electing the entire legislature at large would eliminate gerrymandered districts altogether, but would make for complicated, long ballots, unless party list voting is used, as in Israel. IMO, most Americans would prefer to vote for individuals, and not parties.
That’s not true. There’s a way to make proportional representation work while not having lists. I’m not aware of anyone having this idea other than me.
1. Everyone goes and votes for a party for their legislature. Prospective candidates are required to register before this date.
2. Following results, you assign the number of seats to each party based on what they won (e.g. in a 100-seat legislature, if it goes 52 R, 46 D, 2 L, the Republicans would have 52 seats, the Democrats 46, and the Libertarians their 2).
3. The parties then draw their own districts equalizing the size based on votes received in areas.
4. They then hold their own internal party election for each district. That is why prospective candidates have to register up front. The only people allowed to vote would be those who voted for the party in the 1st election but it also means everyone has their own legislator.
Would work like a primary in reverse.
WZ –
PR districts — 5 to 12 Total Votes / Total Members — to have some longer term districts.
1 or more locals or part of 1 large local.
Split both D and R gangs.
How many gerrymander district changes for MANY voters in 1964/1966-2022
1964-/1966
1972
1982
1992
2002
2012
2022
plus residence machinations in most/all States — lots of bogus renter HACKS.
WZ –
PRE-election candidate rank order lists of other candidates.
TV/TM = EQUAL votes to elect each Member
surplus votes down
loser votes up
ALL votes count.
—
Advanced math delayed — to END ALL the statist ROT since 6,000 plus BC.
Spoiler alert. GOP wins.
@ Ryan:
Your method still has the problem that in the first round, voters still have to choose a party before they can choose any candidate. What’s worse, even if they like any of the candidates of a party, there is no guarantee that that candidate will end up being a choice in their district.
If I am not mistaken. I recall some years ago that Ohio had to elected their entire state legislature at large because federal courts had thrown out their legislative districts. In their any record of voter satisfaction of that method?
I can imagine Representatives in Congress being elected at large by ranked choice voting, if the number of districts is not too large. I seem to recall that Rep. Conyers introduced a bill that would require any state with fewer than 6 Representatives in Congress to elect them at large by ranked choice voting, and that every state with more create multi member districts.
Many USA Reps were elected at large in 1932 –
in part due to the blatantly UN-constitutional failure to re-apportion 435 Reps after the 1920 [1920] Census.
Contributed to USA regime becoming Donkey RED communist in 1933-1935.
If New York used an open primary like Louisiana, the runoff would already be over.
https://www.scotusblog.com/2020/12/opinion-analysis-court-tosses-challenge-to-trumps-plan-to-exclude-unauthorized-immigrants-from-congressional-reapportionment/
Census – illegal INVADERS mess.
Which mess is FATAL — direct to Civil W-A-R II ???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections
has the standard gerrymander pcts in the districts.
NOOO mention of the ANTI-Democracy overall minority rule CONTROL —
UNEQUAL WINNER VOTES.
UNEQUAL DISTRICT VOTES.
DEMS MAY HAVE ONLY 219 DONKEYS — DUE TO SOME DONKEYS JOINING BIDEN REGIME – BRAIN DEAD SENILE BIDEN AT WORK.
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PR AND APPV
TOTSOP