Democratic Party Official Explains Why 2008 Certification to Hawaii Differed from Certifications to Other States

A former official of the Democratic Party kindly telephoned Ballot Access News to explain why the party’s national convention officials sent a different version of the national convention nominee certification form to Hawaii than to the other states. As noted earlier, the Democratic certification to Hawaii says the nominees for President and Vice-President are constitutionally qualified, and the certifications to the other states didn’t contain that language.

Democrats sent a different version of their Hawaii certificate because Hawaii election law, section 11-113(c)(1), says that officials of a ballot-qualified party must file a sworn application with the names and addresses of the presidential and vice-presidential nominees, and a statement that each candidate is legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the U.S. Constitution. Section 11-113(c)(1)(C) also requires a statement that the candidates are the duly chosen candidates of both the state and the national party. Therefore, it is plausible that the Hawaii law only applies to the state party officials, not the national party officials. But the law is ambiguous, and the Democratic national convention officers felt it was best to be cautious and assume the law applies to the national certification form. Therefore, after the 2008 Democratic national convention, the party prepared one particular type of form for Hawaii, and a simpler, shorter form for the other states.


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Democratic Party Official Explains Why 2008 Certification to Hawaii Differed from Certifications to Other States — 19 Comments

  1. I hope that bullshit isn’t believed.

    The correct and cautious way to do it would be to send the longer version, *along with documented proof to prevent perjury charges*, to all 50 states and DC.

    In they’re that stupid, inconsistent, and inept, it’s no wonder they’re floundering so badly.

  2. Michael Seebeck is right. Why not send the certification that was sent to Hawaii to all 50 states? The Republicans send the same certification to all 50 states that include the language that the candidates are constitutionally eligible.

    The Hawaii law requiring political parties to swear that the candidates are constitutionally eligible has been around since 1993. Did the Democrat Party certifications for Al Gore and John Kerry include this language as well, or was this just special for Obama?

    There’s something really fishy here. What was the DNC up to?

  3. Birdyh,

    We have ordered the 200 and 2004 Certs from HI. I should have them by the end of the week (hopefully). I will post them at http://www.yourfellowcitizen.com as soon as I have them, and they will be distributed to http://www.therightsideoflife.com, Leo Donofrio’s site, and jbjd’s blog (just google the last two, I can’t remember their URL’s at the moment).

    And please, as I’ve been saying, let’s not rush to judgment. There is absolutely no reason to suspect anything until the documents arrive.

  4. today may be eventful day for the use and force of the orginal US Constitutional limitations on POTUS/CINC and other cabinet officers

    — first in USDC-DCD Judicial Watch has a special three judge district level court will hear challenge to former Senator Clinton appointment to US-SOS.

    — also a TRO/PI decision will be made in USDC-GAMD by a USDJ in the case of an active duty army officer challenging the constitutionality of Obama eligibillity.

  5. Is the DNC setting the groundwork for contesting a lawsuit over Pelosi sllegedly committing fraud? Are they going to argue that the statute applies only to state candidates?

  6. There was nothing fraudulent in what the DNC did. All that’s really been proven is that the RNC is slightly more efficient in candidate certification.

    Oh, the TRO sought in Georgia was denied. Case dismissed, costs imposed, and sanctions threatened.

  7. #5, the law clearly applies to presidential candidates. The ambiguity is whether it is the state party or the national party that is supposed to file the document. I think the law only applies to state parties. The Libertarian Party’s national certification to Hawaii didn’t say that Bob Barr and Wayne A. Root met the constitutional qualifications, but that omission didn’t keep Barr and Root off the Hawaii ballot.

  8. The party hack certifications have ZERO legal effect on the legal qualifications of anybody in the court.

    What human (if any) has *standing* in the courts to ENFORCE the qualification requirements of the U.S.A. Constitution for U.S.A. Rep., U.S.A. Senator, U.S.A. Prez/VP — due to the MORON party hack Supremes and their JUNK cases from the 1920s.

    Is the 1787 Constitution de facto D-E-A-D or what ??? — such that the U.S.A. is a free- for- all banana republic of FORCE and NOT *LAW* ???

    I.E. Whoever occupies the banana republic palace(s) is/are the rulers of the moment ??? Duh.

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  10. IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
    FOR THE MIDDLE DISTRICT OF GEORGIA
    COLUMBUS DIVISION
    CONNIE RHODES,
    Plaintiff,
    vs.
    THOMAS D. MACDONALD, Colonel,
    Garrison Commander, Fort
    Benning; et al.,
    Defendants.
    CASE NO. 4:09-CV-106 (CDL)
    O R D E R
    Plaintiff, a Captain in the United States Army, seeks a temporary restraining order to prevent the Army from deploying her to Iraq in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Plaintiff alleges that her deployment orders are unconstitutional and unenforceable because President Barack Obama is not constitutionally eligible to act as Commander in Chief of the United States armed forces. After conducting a hearing on Plaintiff’s motion, the Court finds that Plaintiff’s claims are frivolous. Accordingly, her application for
    a temporary restraining order (Doc. 3) is denied, and her Complaint is dismissed in its entirety.
    Furthermore, Plaintiff’s counsel is hereby notified that the filing of any future actions in this Court, which are similarly frivolous, shall subject counsel to sanctions. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 11(c).

    BACKGROUND
    Plaintiff’s counsel is a self-proclaimed leader in what has become known as “the birther movement.” She maintains that President Barack Obama was not born in the United States, and, therefore, he is
    not eligible to be President of the United States. See Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire, [1] http://www.orlytaitzesq.com (last visited Sept. 15, 2009). Counsel has filed numerous lawsuits in various parts of the country seeking a judicial determination as to the President’s legitimacy to hold the office of President. The present action is the second such action filed in this Court in which counsel pursues her “birther claim.” Her modus operandi is to use military officers as parties and have them allege that they should not be required to follow deployment orders because President Obama is not
    constitutionally qualified to be President. Although counsel has managed to fuel this “birther movement” with her litigation and press conferences, she does not appear to have prevailed on a single claim.[2] In fact, Plaintiff previously filed the present action in the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas. That Court summarily dismissed her complaint upon finding that Plaintiff “has no substantial likelihood of success on the merits.” Rhodes v. Gates, 5:09-CV-00703-XR, Order Den. Mot. for TRO 3 (W.D. Tex. Aug. 28, 2009). Counsel then re-filed the same action in this Court.
    [1] Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 of the United States Constitution provides in relevant part that “No Person except a natural born Citizen . . . shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
    [2] This Court dismissed an earlier action filed by Plaintiff’s counsel on behalf of a military reservist based upon that plaintiff’s lack of standing. See Cook v. Good, No. 4:09-CV-82 (CDL), 2009 WL 2163535 (M.D. Ga. Jul. 16, 2009).
    Plaintiff’s counsel speculates that President Obama was not born in the United States based upon the President’s alleged refusal to disclose publicly an “official birth certificate” that is satisfactory to Plaintiff’s counsel and her followers. She therefore seeks to have the judiciary compel the President to produce “satisfactory” proof that he was born in the United States. Counsel makes these allegations although a “short-form” birth certificate has been made publicly available which indicates that the President was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961. To press her “birther agenda,” Plaintiff’s counsel has filed the present action on behalf of Captain Rhodes. Captain Rhodes entered the Army in March of 2005 and presently serves as a medical doctor. The American taxpayers paid for her third and fourth years of medical school and financially supported her during her subsequent medical internship and residency program. In exchange for this valuable free medical education, Captain Rhodes agreed to serve two years in active service in the Army. She began that term of active service in July of 2008 and had no concerns about fulfilling her military obligation until she received orders notifying her that she would be deployed to Iraq in September of 2009.
    Captain Rhodes does not seek a discharge from the Army; nor does she wish to be relieved entirely from her two year active service obligation. She has not previously made any official complaints regarding any orders or assignments that she has received, including orders that have been issued since President Obama became Commander in Chief. But she does not want to go to Iraq (or to any other destination where she may be in harm’s way, for that matter). Her “conscientious objections” to serving under the current Commander in Chief apparently can be accommodated as long as she is permitted to remain on American soil. Captain Rhodes is presently stationed at Ft. Benning, Georgia awaiting deployment to Iraq. This deployment is imminent and will likely occur absent an order from this Court granting Plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order.
    [3] The Court observes that the President defeated seven opponents in a grueling campaign for his party’s nomination that lasted more than eighteen months and cost those opponents well over $300 million. See Federal Election Commission, Presidential Pre-Nomination Campaign Disbursements Dec. 31, 2008, http://www.fec.gov/press/press2009/20090608Pres/3_2008PresPrimaryCmpgnDis.pdf (last visited Sept. 15, 2009).
    Then the President faced a formidable opponent in the general election who received $84 million to conduct his general election campaign against the President. Press Release, Federal Election Commission, 2008 Presidential Campaign Financial Activity Summarized (June 8, 2009), available at http://www.fec.gov/press/press2009/20090608PresStat.shtml. It would appear that ample opportunity existed for discovery of evidence that would support any contention that the President was not eligible for the office he sought.
    Furthermore, Congress is apparently satisfied that the President is qualified to serve. Congress has not instituted impeachment proceedings, and in fact, the House of Representatives in a broad bipartisan manner has rejected the suggestion that the President is not eligible for office. See H.R. Res. 593, 111th Cong. (2009) (commemorating, by vote of 378-0, the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood and stating, “the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August
    4, 1961”).
    DISCUSSION
    I. Jurisdiction and Abstention
    Plaintiff seeks to have this Court declare a deployment order issued by the United States Army void and unenforceable. It is well settled that judicial interference in internal military affairs is disfavored. As the Supreme Court has explained:
    [J]udges are not given the task of running the Army. The responsibility for setting up channels through which such grievances can be considered and fairly settled rests upon the Congress and upon the President of the United States and his subordinates. The military constitutes a specialized community governed by a separate discipline from that of the civilian. Orderly government requires that the judiciary be as scrupulous not to interfere with legitimate Army matters as the Army must be scrupulous not to intervene in judicial matters.
    Orloff v. Willoughby, 345 U.S. 83, 93-94 (1953), quoted with approval in Winck v. England, 327 F.3d 1296, 1302-03 (11th Cir. 2003). The limitation on the judiciary’s involvement in military affairs does not mean that such interference is never appropriate. However, “‘a court should not review internal military affairs in the absence of (a) an allegation of the deprivation of a constitutional right, or an allegation that the military has acted in violation of applicable
    statutes or its own regulations, and (b) exhaustion of available intraservice corrective measures.’” Winck, 327 F.3d at 1303 (quoting Mindes v. Seaman, 453 F.2d 197, 201 (5th Cir. 1971)). Moreover, mere
    allegations of a constitutional violation unsupported by a reasonable factual foundation are insufficient to warrant judicial review. To hold otherwise would be to create chaos within the military decision-making process and chain of command. As explained below, the Court must balance several factors to determine whether judicial review of a military decision is authorized.
    Typically, the first issue to be resolved in cases seeking judicial review of a military decision is whether the soldier has exhausted all intraservice administrative remedies. See Winck, 327 F.3d at 1304. In the present case, Defendants do not contend that Plaintiff was required to exhaust her intraservice administrative remedies, presumably because no procedure is in place for a soldier to contest the qualifications of the Commander in Chief. Defendants do argue, however, that the dispute presented by Plaintiff’s complaint is not justiciable in the courts.
    Even if a soldier has exhausted her intraservice administrative remedies, the Court must decline to review the military decision if the review would constitute an inappropriate intrusion into military
    matters. Id. at 1303 & n.4 (citing Mindes, 453 F.2d at 201). It has long been the law in this Circuit that in determining whether judicial review of a military decision should be undertaken, the reviewing court
    ‘must examine the substance of that allegation in light of the policy reasons behind nonreview of military matters,’ balancing four factors: (1) ‘The nature and strength of the plaintiff’s challenge to the military determination’; (2) ‘The potential injury to the plaintiff if review is refused’; (3) ‘The type and degree of anticipated interference with the military function’; and (4) ‘The extent to which the exercise of military expertise or discretion is involved.’
    Winck, 327 F.3d at 1303 n.4 (quoting Mindes, 453 F.2d at 201). Although certain aspects of the Mindes decision have been eroded through the years, the Eleventh Circuit has relatively recently reaffirmed the “unflagging strength of the principles of comity and judicial noninterference with, and respect for, military operations that informed” the analysis in Mindes. Winck, 327 F.3d at 1304.
    [4] It is not always clear whether the analysis of the appropriateness of judicial review of military decisions involves subject matter jurisdiction or abstention principles based on comity and respect for the unique military decision-making process. The Court finds that the proper analysis in this case requires an evaluation of the deployment order using principles of abstention. See Winck, 327 F.3d at 1299-1300 (distinguishing subject matter jurisdiction from abstention principles).
    Using the Mindes factors as an analytical framework, the Court finds that it is not authorized to interfere with Plaintiff’s deployment orders. First, Plaintiff’s challenge to her deployment order is frivolous. She has presented no credible evidence and has made no reliable factual allegations to support her unsubstantiated, conclusory allegations and conjecture that President Obama is ineligible to serve as President of the United States. Instead, she uses her Complaint as a platform for spouting political rhetoric, such as her claims that the President is “an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, [and] an unqualified imposter.” (Compl. ¶ 21.) She continues with bare, conclusory allegations that the President is “an alien, possibly even an unnaturalized or even an unadmitted illegal alien . . . without so much as lawful residency in the United States.” (Id. ¶ 26.) Then, implying that the President is either a wandering nomad or a prolific identity fraud crook, she alleges that the President “might have used as many as 149 addresses and 39 social security numbers prior to assuming the office of President.” (Id. ¶
    110 (emphasis added).) Acknowledging the existence of a document that shows the President was born in Hawaii, Plaintiff alleges that the document “cannot be verified as genuine, and should be presumed
    fraudulent.” (Id. ¶ 113 (emphasis added).) In further support of her claim, Plaintiff relies upon “the general opinion in the rest of the world” that “Barack Hussein Obama has, in essence, slipped through the guardrails to become President.” (Id. ¶ 128.) Moreover, as though the “general opinion in the rest of the world” were not enough, Plaintiff alleges in her Complaint that according to an “AOL poll 85% of Americans believe that Obama was not vetted, needs to be vetted and his vital records need to be produced.” (Id. ¶ 154.)
    Finally, in a remarkable shifting of the traditional legal burden of proof, Plaintiff unashamedly alleges that Defendant has the burden to prove his “natural born” status. (Id. ¶¶ 136-138, 148.) Thus, Plaintiff’s counsel, who champions herself as a defender of liberty and freedom, seeks to use the power of the judiciary to compel a citizen, albeit the President of the United States, to “prove his innocence” to “charges” that are based upon conjecture and speculation. Any middle school civics student would readily recognize the irony of abandoning fundamental principles upon which our Country was founded in order to purportedly “protect and preserve” those very principles.
    Although the Court has determined that the appropriate analysis here involves principles of abstention and not an examination of whether Plaintiff’s complaint fails to state a claim under Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(b)(6), the Court does find the Rule 12(b)(6) analysis helpful in confirming the Court’s conclusion that Plaintiff’s claim has no merit. To state a claim upon which relief may be granted, Plaintiff must allege sufficient facts to state a claim to relief that is “plausible on its face.” Ashcroft v. Iqbal, 129 S.Ct. 1937, 1949 (2009) (internal quotation marks omitted). For a complaint to be facially plausible, the Court must be able “to draw the reasonable inference that the defendant is liable for the
    misconduct alleged” based upon a review of the factual content pled by the Plaintiff. Id. The factual allegations must be sufficient “to raise a right to relief above the speculative level.” Bell Atl. Corp. v. Twombly, 550 U.S. 544, 555 (2007). Plaintiff’s complaint is not plausible on its face. To the extent that it alleges any “facts,” the Complaint does not connect those facts to any actual violation of Plaintiff’s individual constitutional rights. Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so. The weakness of Plaintiff’s claim certainly weighs heavily against judicial review of the deployment order, and in fact, would
    One piece of “evidence” Plaintiff’s counsel relies upon deserves further discussion. Counsel has produced a document that she claims shows the President was born in Kenya, yet she has not authenticated that document. She has produced an affidavit from someone who allegedly obtained the document from a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya by paying “a cash ‘consideration’ to a Kenyan military officer on duty to look the other way, while [he] obtained the copy” of the document. (Smith Decl. ¶ 7,
    Sept. 3, 2009.) Counsel has not, however, produced an original certificate of authentication from the government agency that supposedly has official custody of the document. Therefore, the Court finds that the alleged document is unreliable due to counsel’s failure to properly authenticate the document. See Fed. R. Evid. 901. 10
    authorize dismissal of Plaintiff’s complaint for failure to state a claim.5 Examining the second Mindes factor, the Court further finds that the risk of potential irreparable injury to Plaintiff as a result of the Court’s refusal to review the deployment order is minimal. Plaintiff has not sought to be excused from all military service. She does not seek a discharge from the Army. She does not even seek to avoid taking military orders under President Obama’s watch. She simply seeks to avoid being deployed to Iraq. As observed by the Eleventh Circuit, one “cannot say that military deployment, in and of
    itself, necessarily entails [irreparable harm], even if to volatile regions.” Winck, 327 F.3d at 1305 n.9. “Holding otherwise could unduly hamper urgent military operations during times of crisis.” Id. Thus, the lack of potential irreparable harm to Plaintiff weighs against judicial review.
    Finally, the “type and degree of anticipated interference with the military function” that judicial review would cause is significantly burdensome. Any interference with a deployment order injects the Court directly into the internal affairs of the military. This type of interference has serious implications. For example, it would encourage other soldiers who are not satisfied with their deployment destination to seek review in the courts. It also will have an adverse effect on other soldiers who honorably perform their duties. Presumably, some other military doctor, who does not resort to frivolous litigation to question the President’s legitimacy as Commander in Chief, would be required to go to Iraq in Plaintiff’s
    place. Similarly, the doctor who Plaintiff is being sent to relieve and who has likely been there for months would be delayed in receiving his well deserved leave because his replacement seeks special treatment due to her political views or reservations about being placed in harm’s way. “It is not difficult to see that the exercise of such jurisdiction as is here urged would be a disruptive force as to affairs peculiarly within the jurisdiction of the military authorities.” Orloff, 345 U.S. at 94-95.
    Based on an evaluation of all of these factors, the Court concludes that it must abstain from interfering with the Army’s deployment orders. Accordingly, Plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order is denied, and her complaint is dismissed in its entirety.
    II. Failure to Satisfy Elements for Temporary Restraining Order
    Even if the Court did not abstain from deciding the merits of Plaintiff’s claim, the Court finds that Plaintiff has failed to establish her entitlement to a temporary restraining order.
    Plaintiff must establish the following to obtain a temporary restraining order:
    (1) [Plaintiff] has a substantial likelihood of success on the merits;
    (2) irreparable injury will be suffered unless the injunction issues;
    (3) the threatened injury to [Plaintiff] outweighs whatever damage the proposed injunction may cause the opposing party; and
    (4) if issued, the injunction would not be adverse to the public interest.
    Schiavo ex rel. Schindler v. Schiavo, 403 F.3d 1223, 1231 (11th Cir. 2005).
    As explained previously, Plaintiff has demonstrated no likelihood of success on the merits. Her claims are based on sheer conjecture and speculation. She alleges no factual basis for her “hunch” or “feeling” or subjective belief that the President was not born in the United States. Moreover, she cites no legal authority supporting her bold contention that the alleged “cloud” over the President’s birthplace amounts to a violation of her individual constitutional rights. Thus, for these reasons alone, she is not
    entitled to a temporary restraining order.
    Second, as previously noted, the Court’s refusal to interfere with Plaintiff’s deployment orders does not pose a substantial threat of irreparable injury to her. Plaintiff does not seek to be discharged and apparently is willing to follow all orders from her military command except for any order that deploys her to Iraq.
    Although close proximity to any combat zone certainly involves personal danger, Plaintiff, somewhat disingenuously, claims that fear is not her motivation for avoiding her military duty. She insists that she would have no qualms about fulfilling her duties if President George W. Bush was still in office. The Court cannot find from the present record that deployment to Iraq under the current administration will subject Plaintiff to any threat of harm that is different than the harm to which she would be exposed if another candidate had won the election. A substantial threat of irreparable harm related to her desire not to serve in Iraq under the current President simply does not exist.
    Third, any potential threatened injury that may be caused to Plaintiff by the denial of the temporary restraining order certainly does not outweigh the harm that will result if the injunction is granted. As mentioned previously, the threatened injury to Plaintiff is not substantial; yet if the temporary restraining order was granted, the harmful interference with military operations would be significant.
    Finally, Plaintiff has failed to establish that the granting of the temporary restraining order will not be adverse to the public interest. A spurious claim questioning the President’s constitutional legitimacy may be protected by the First Amendment, but a Court’s placement of its imprimatur upon a claim that is so lacking in factual support that it is frivolous would undoubtedly disserve the public interest.
    For all of these reasons, the Court finds that Plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order should be denied.
    CONCLUSION
    For the reasons previously stated, Plaintiff’s motion for a temporary restraining order is denied and Plaintiff’s complaint is dismissed in its entirety. Defendants shall recover their costs from Plaintiff. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 54(d).
    IT IS SO ORDERED, this 16th day of September, 2009. S/Clay D. Land
    CLAY D. LAND
    UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

  11. Judge Land is the essence of a wise judge and this case is the essence of a frivolous lawsuit. Orly Taitz owes the taxpayers an apology and reparations for continuing to waste thye valuable time of courts throughout the country with her garbage.

    What part of “spurious claim”, “lacking in factual support” do birthers mot understand?

  12. 11 –

    If one “Birther” is not a part of the 25-30% who would have given “W” a third term if given the chance, he/she wasn’t of legal age on Election Day 2008.

    So what do you expect them to understand? Facts mean nothing to them.

  13. Harley Says:
    September 17th, 2009 at 3:46 am

    “If one “Birther” is not a part of the 25-30% who would have given “W” a third term if given the chance, he/she wasn’t of legal age on Election Day 2008.

    So what do you expect them to understand? Facts mean nothing to them.”

    and Judge Land’s order says:
    ““Unlike in ‘Alice in Wonderland,’ simply saying something is so does not make it so,”

    So, if the facts are what’s important and proving the facts is important, why are “the people” supposed to accept Obama’s birth in Hawaii when he refuses to prove it. Why can’t “the people” see the real birth certificate and shut all this silliness up? And why are “the people” demonized for asking to see it? See Judge Land’s ruling. He refused to believe the plaintiffs because they didn’t provide proof. The proof of Obama’s eligibility to Judge Land is all the money that was spent trying to beat him. For some unknown reason no one who was able to beat him even tried. This has turned into quite a mystery.

  14. #13 You obviously don’t understand the legal concept of PRESUMPTION. Just as the accused in a criminal trial is presumed innocent until proven otherwise, valid state documents like birth certificates are presumed to be proof of what they say until proven otherwise. Obama has a fully valid certificate, vouched for by the state of Hawaii. Forget about whether it says “Birth Certificate” or “Certification of Live Birth” on top-that is up to the Hawaii Dept of Health. The important FACT is it states “place of birth-Honolulu”. No one has shown any evidence to the contrary. That would shut the silliness up except that some have interests in keeping the silliness going so they can raise money from suckers, appear on news shows and score political points. It’s as simple as that.

  15. Jude, don’t be crazy. I voted for W the second time, and he embarrassed me. I was happy to get him out of the Oval Office. I would have preferred McCain-Palin take the White House — but I voted for Chuck Baldwin — to provide a balance of power against the Democratic Congress. Here we are $trillions later. Maybe now that the treasury is raped, China will assert control over the shipping lanes, after they make Pearl Harbor look like mild spanking.

  16. #15-17

    Yes, Hawaii has changed their birth certificates since 1961, as has every other state. I think it has something to do with these newfangled things called computers. If you write to Honolulu or any other state capitol today you will get something that looks like what Obama has, not those 1961 documents. If you’re asking what happened to his from 1961, his parents are dead and he’s moved several times. I don’t have my original either and neither do my kids. If we need documents, we write to the state we were born in and get the newfangled ones. So far, no one has turned them down.

    As far as the stimulus and other actions, the honest truth is that without those, we were virtually certain to have a 1930s style Depression. Thanks to actions by the Fed and Treasury (under both Bush and Obama) as well as by every other country in the world, we are only having a 1980s style Recession and that is ending. Had McCain won, he would have either done what Obama did or we would all be in deep doo-doo.

    Them’s the facts, Jack..

  17. BIRTHERS!
    REQUEST NEW FEC RULE REQUIRING CANDIDATE
    ORIGINAL LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
    http://www.fec.gov

    If President Barack Hussein Obama is NOT a natural
    born citizen, and he has been hiding and seriously and
    willfully and intentionally concealing from the public
    his original long form birth certificate,
    THEN, should we try to keep this “Usurper” from
    being re-elected in 2012; and can we stop him
    from being re-elected in 2012?

    All Republican and Libertarian and Independent
    ATTORNEYS! LISTEN UP!
    PLEASE FILE A REQUEST
    WITH THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION TO
    CREATE A NEW RULE REQUIRING ALL CANDIDATES
    FOR PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    TO PROVE THAT THEY
    ARE NATURAL BORN CITIZENS AND TO CREATE A FILE
    VIEWABLE BY THE PUBLIC.

    STATUTORY BASIS FOR THIS REQUEST FOR A NEW RULE:

    TITLE 11 CFR (CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS) Section 105.3
    Place of filing; Presidential candidates and their principal campaign
    committees (2 U.S.C. 432(g)(4).
    All designations, statements, reports, and notices, as well as any
    modifications(s) or amendments(s) thereto, required to be filed
    under 11 CFR parts 101, 102 and 104 by a candidate for nomination
    for election or election to the office of President or Vice President
    of the United States or by his or her principal campaign committee
    shall be filed in ORIGINAL FORM with the FEDERAL ELECTION
    COMMISSION.

    11 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Chapter 1, Subchapter A
    Section 111.4
    COMPLAINTS
    [2 U.S.C. Section 437g(a)(1)]
    (a) Any person who believes that a violation of any statute or
    regulation over which the Commission has jurisdiction has occurred
    or is about to occur may file a complaint in writing to the
    General Counsel, Federal Election Commission, 999 E Street,
    NW., Washington, DC 20463. If possible, three (3) copies
    should be submitted.
    (b) A complaint shall comply with the following:
    (1) It shall provide the full name and address of the complainant ; and
    (2) The contents of the complaint shall be sworn to and signed in the
    presence of a notary public and shall be notarized.

    The Federal Election Commission oversees all the money spent
    in campaigns for federal office.
    11 CFR Ch. 1 Part 101 Section 101.2 CANDIDATE AS AGENT
    OF AUTHORIZED COMMITEE [2 U.S.C. Section 432(e)(2)]

    QUESTION: BECAUSE THE CANDIDATE IS THE AUTHORIZED
    AGENT OF THE COMMITTEE, THEN, THEREFORE,
    SHOULD
    THE DUTIES OF THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION
    INCLUDE DETERMINING IF EACH CANDIDATE FOR
    PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS IN FACT A
    NATURAL BORN CITIZEN by providing their original
    long form birth certificate?

    11 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Ch. 1, Subchapter B
    Part 200
    PETITIONS FOR RULEMAKING

    11 CFR Ch.1, SubCh. B, Section 200.2 PROCEDURAL
    REQUIREMENTS
    (a) ANY INTERESTED PERSON MAY FILE WITH THE COMMISSION
    A WRITTEN PETITION FOR THE ISSUANCE, AMENDMENT, OR
    REPEAL OF A RULE IMPLEMENTING ANY OF THE FOLLOWING
    STATUTES:
    (1) The Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971, as amended, 2 U.S.C. 431 et seq.;
    (2) The Presidential Election Campaign Fund Act, as amended, 26 U.S.C. 9001 et seq.;
    (3) The Presidential Primary Matching Payment Account Act, as amended, 26 U.S.C. 9031
    et seq.;
    (4) The Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. 552; or
    (5) Any other law that the Commission is required to implement and administer,

    (b) THE PETITION SHALL
    (1) Include the name and address of the Petitioner or Agent. An Authorized
    Agent of the Petitioner may submit the Petition, but the Agent shall disclose
    the identitify of this or her principal;
    (2) Identify itself as a PETITION for the ISSUANCE, AMENDMENT, OR REPEAL of a rule;
    (3) Identify the specific section(s) of the regulations to be affected;
    (4) Set forthe the factual and legal grounds on which the petitioner relies,
    in support of the proposed action; and
    (5) Be addressed and submitted to the
    FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION, OFFICE OF THE GENERAL COUNSEL,
    999 E STREET, NW., WASHINGTON, DC 20463.
    (c) The petition may include draft regulatory language that would effectuate
    the petitionser’s proposal.
    (d) The Commission may, in its discretion, treat a document that fails to
    conform to the format requirements of paragraph (b) of this section as a basis for a
    sua sponte rulemaking. For example, the Commission may consider whether to
    intitiate a rulemaking project addressing issues raised in an advisory opinion request
    submitted under 11 CFR 112.1 or in a complaint filed under 11 CFR 111.4. However, the
    Commission need not follow the procedures of 11 CFR 200.3 in these instances.

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