California Bill Making it More Difficult to Get Statewide Initiatives and Referenda on the Ballot Advances

On April 19, the California Assembly Elections Committee passed AB 421 by 5-2. It makes it more difficult for statewide initiatives and referenda to get on the ballot. The bill has so many provisions, it is difficult to list them all. Read the analysis of the bill here.


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California Bill Making it More Difficult to Get Statewide Initiatives and Referenda on the Ballot Advances — 46 Comments

  1. I still don’t know what you want from me. I tried to grab a link from the last discussion about plumbers but apparently they don’t allow links to their own comments here. Don’t know what’s up with that.

  2. Likewise, legislators have a place in the division of labor. When you try to get everyone else to do their jobs in their spare time, the results are subpar and suboptimal, worse than when the professionals who specialize in that field do it, even though it’s true that some of them could be a lot better, just like professionals in any other field.

  3. Professional legislators who work full-time get too elitist, and too removed from the common folk, over whom they come to view in a condescending way.

  4. For some of them that’s true. It’s not true for all of them. It’s also what elections are for.

  5. The problem is the whole concept of legislation and legislators. This system is objectively insane. The written law is way too long and complex for anyone, much less the average person, to understand and memorize, yet everyone is supposed to obey it. There’s an elitist priesthood of lawyers and judges who condescend to the common folk. If that wasn’t bad enough, for some reason this mess of laws also allegedly needs constant revision.

    None of that is logical, sane, or sustainably functional. The law needs to be very short and simple, with all adults responsible for knowing and understanding all of it, and older children over time tasked with knowing more of it. Instead of judges, lawyers, legislators, and lobbyists, the law should be interpreted by those who are charged with enforcing it – law enforcement officers. Responding officers should judge how the law applies to situations they encounter, pasa judgement, and execute the sentence right then and there, which for serious crimes should be death. The swift, sure, and severe punishment of offenders would ensure that crime would be very rare. The costs of law enforcement would be much lower than now.

    To prevent peace officers from becoming too elitist, I have proposed that they be the only elected officials. They would be elected at the precinct level. The only other government would be a self governing national defense military, which would choose its own commander in chief. Elections would be every year. The winning party would pick all the peace officers, and replace them as needed, over the following year.

  6. I’ve asked those who disagree with part or all of this to explain why, and to propose better solutions, and explain why those would be better. That offer remains standing

  7. MAXZIM–

    OLDE BRIT COMMON LAW WAS ALLEGED SO SIMPLE THAT ALL ADULTS COULD UNDERSTAND IT —-
    CRIMES / CRIM PROCEDURE / TORTS / CIV. PROCEDURE.

    ESP LIMITED NUMBER OF FELONIES WITH DEATH PENALTIES – HANGING.

    SEE BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES – 1760S- JUST BEFORE AM REV WAR.

    LEGIS BODIES EXIST ONLY BECAUSE ALL ELECTORS/VOTERS CAN NOT APPEAR IN PERSON AND VOTE ON LEGIS STUFF.

    VERY EARLY ON IN BRIT N. AM. COLONIES THE MALE ADULTS DID MEET IN PERSON BUT — THEN POPULATION GROWTH –

    THEN COLONY LEGIS BODIES.

    NOW- EVIL/VICIOUS GERRYMANDER MONSTERS WITH LAWLESS TYRANT EXECS/JUDICS.

    P
    A
    T

  8. Again, there is no need for “legis stuff” at all. The men (or more accurately knights) of a precinct only need to physically meet once a year, to select the party which picks the peace officers over the course of the next year. The peace officers deal with the application and interpretation of the law on the spot as they respond to situations they are called in to adjudicate. That itself should be rare, with most common disputes handled by a head of household within his own household as he sees fit.

    The precinct should be small enough for the hereditary heads of household to meet once a year and all know each other well personally; perhaps a few hundred men. Population growth should have very little of anything to do with it, as it would be generally an internal matter within households.

    The problem with your colonial legislative bodies appears to have been that they tried to govern entirely too large areas and micromanage entirely too much. They should have stuck with the town meeting, and made that even simpler, by holding only one per year. The colony/state level of government activity can be foregone altogether, and the federal level can be limited to a self-governing national defense military which picks its own commander in chief.

    Literally every other part of government is counterproductive. Making simple things complicated does not make them better. It makes them worse.

  9. Saying that 10% of the signatures have to be collected by volunteers or employees of non-profits is unconstitutional.

  10. I know a few legislators. Some of them are better people than others, but AZ caricature of them is out of whack. I know doctors, athletes, and even garbage collection “engineers” who are more full of themselves than some legislators I know or have known.

  11. Gym instructors and for some weird reason hvac repair guys I have encountered have a God complex. And I have yet to meet a psychotherapist who is not a narcissist or egomaniac of some sort.

  12. There are megalomaniacs in every occupation. Teachers, cops, lawyers, mechanics…anywhere you go you’ll find all kinds of people,good and bad. Legislators are no different. The fact that some of them are arrogant aholes doesn’t mean their profession should be abolished and forced on everyone else as a hobby whether they want it or not.

  13. ALL SORTS OF NEW STUFF SINCE PRINTING IN 1400S AND THE *SCIENTIFIC* METHOD FOR CHEMISTRY, PHYSICS, BIOLOGY, ETC. IN 1600S.

    RESULT — DIFFERENT LAWS IN MANY REGIMES.

    GOOD LUCK IN HAVING MINI-TYRANT OFFICERS IN MINI-PRECINCT TYRANT REGIMES CONTROL WHATEVER.

    DESTRUCTION OF MANY OLDE MONARCHS / OLIGARCHS / EMPIRES —

    1649 ENGLAND, 1789 FRANCE, 1918 GERMANY / RUSSIA / AUSTRO-HUNGARY / OTTOMAN, 1931 SPAIN, ETC

    P-A-T

  14. You don’t need different laws every year. At best, once every few generations. Even that is questionable, as it is well within the normal discretion of a peace officer how to extrapolate from existing laws to new technology.

    Peace officers would not be tyrants because they would have to answer to the same men they personally know at election, and could well find themselves out of that job and answering to their neighbors who would become peace officers the following year. It may well even be a part time position, because crime would be so rare given the severe and immediate penalties. In any case, peace officers would find themselves accountable to their neighbors, fellow parishioners, fellow members of civic and charitable boards, relatives, children’s teachers, men whose businesses they patronize – in short, their kin, neighbours, and friends. We aren’t talking about strangers here. Peace officers would also have other jobs or businesses either concurrently, or that they would return to after their year (or less) of public service. For many reasons, they would be incentivized properly not to be tyrants.

  15. As an example, let us take the automobile. It is new technology, vis a vis the horse. But the principle of automotive law is the same: we do not want to have people driving recklessly and threatening others, regardless of whether they are driving a horse carriage, model T, Lamborghini, El Camino, Lada, boat, or some futuristic sea/air/land vehicle that hasn’t been invented yet.

    A peace officer can interpret what reckless operation of a vehicle is, and order the appropriate punishment, whether that be, to take some possible examples, horsewhipping the driver, corrective rape of a young lady who gets behind the wheel drunk and addresses the officer with disrespect when stopped, towing the vehicle off to be crushed into scrap, or for egregious repeat offenders, having them run over with their own vehicle which is then confiscated by the officers. The law does not need to change just because the technology changes, because the legal principle remains the same.

  16. Not sure why you keep pinging me. NPR is fake news state run media, you’re spreading ridiculous lies about J6, Max plan may be far fetched and radical but makes a lot more sense than yours, and I agree that the death penalty should be used a lot more. What else do you want to know?

  17. LEGISLATIVE/EXECUTIVE/JUDICIAL POWERS IN SAME PERSON = TYRANT AND TYRANNY– BY DEFINITION–
    OLDE BC GREECE.

    SEPARATION OF POWERS >>> END OF DARK AGE TYRANTS.

    REVIVED TYRANTS AFTER WW I- LENIN, MUSSOLINI, HIROHITO, STALIN, HITLER, MAO.

    P-A-T

  18. Pat,

    My plan is intentionally radical and extreme, because the present system is so egregiously out of whack. Incremental reform is all well and good, but the failures of the present system cry out for more fundamental change. In many respects I’m a radical reactionary, and that’s not a bad thing. Most of the so called progress in the last few centuries, particularly outside the technological realm, has been extremely detrimental.

  19. AZ definition is wanting, and does not address the reasons I laid out why peace officers could not be tyrants under my plan. Separation of powers is simply a prescription for passing the buck and endless multiplying byzantine and counterproductive complexity in government. The Luciferian enlightenment has been far worse than the much maligned “dark” age.

  20. I don’t agree with abolishing the Senate. It seems like a part of that whole separation of powers thing to me.

  21. HOW MANY FOLKS MOVE AND GET TO VOTE IN 3-4-5-6 PLUS USA SENATOR ELECTION IN A 6 YEAR CYCLE ???

    PRIMARIES — PRIMARY RUNOFFS — GEN ELECTION — GEN RUNOFF GENS

    PLUS ANY SPECIAL VACANCY ELECTIONS

  22. Senators are supposed to represent States, not people. A few people moving around doesn’t change that.

  23. There are many fallback Max plans. I welcome incremental movement towards my admittedly radical goals.

  24. A better solution to the problem, to whatever small extent it even is one, of people moving to a different state and voting in more than “their share” of senate elections, is to go back to legislators electing senators.

  25. At 0714 AZ appears to be looking back fondly on the advent of the French reign of terror, Weimar Germany, and Bolshevik Russia.

  26. AZ also rarely if ever addresses counterarguments. He just moves on to more bad arguments, invective, and fake news links.

  27. How shocking, a link from the unAmerican Communist Libtard Union. Well, the mentally ill commie crossdresser can complain all he wants, he’s still going to be sitting out in the hallway at best.

  28. Based on the way he types, I am convinced AZ is drunk most of the time.

  29. Google is a big part of the commie mind manipulation conspiracy, along with the fake news, BS teachers union, Hollywood woke mob, Marxist historians, etc.

  30. A state, particularly one the size of California, is way too big. Government also has way too many responsibilities. Government power outside of national defense should only exist at the precinct level, and should only be limited to defending citizens from criminals.

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