On May 12, the Missouri legislature adjourned, without passing bills that would have made it more difficult for statewide initiatives to get on the ballot or to pass. The bills that failed to pass include HJR 43, which would have raised the vote needed to pass a constitutional amendment from a majority, to either 57% or 60%.
Also SB 102 and SB 490, both of which would have required initiative circulators to be registered Missouri voters, failed to pass. SB 490 would also have banned paying circulators per-signature. Thanks to Ken Bush for this news.
A-L-L STATE LEGIS IN USA — SINCE 1776 —
1/2 OR LESS VOTES X 1/2 RIGGED CRACKED/PACKED GERRYMANDER DISTRICTS
= 1/4 OR LESS CONTROL = ALL ANTI-DEMOCRACY OLIGARCHS / MONARCHS AT TOP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering
SUPER-WORSE EXTREMIST MINORITY RULE CAUCUSES, PRIMARIES AND CONVENTIONS.
UNEQUAL VOTES FOR WINNERS AND IN DISTRICTS.
REMEDY — PR
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation
USA – IN ANTI-DEMOCRACY GERRYMANDER DARK AGE – WITH UK, CANADA, INDIA, ETC.
BRAIN DEAD MEDIA – LOVES LAWLESS MONARCH TYRANTS (OFTEN KILLERS) – PREZS, GUVS, MAYORS, ETC.
What were some successful democracies? Did they have downsides, and if so what were they?
What happened to them? Why didn’t they last? How long did they last?
MANY/MOST/ALL SO-CALLED ***DEMOCRACIES*** IN THE PAST WERE DE FACTO OLIGARCHIES WITH FATAL DEFECTS
— OFTEN ROTTING INTO KILLER MONARCHIES
— WITH LATER COLLAPSES DUE TO INTERNAL CIVIL WARS AND/OR FOREIGN WARS/INTERVENTIONS.
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P-A-T
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BIT EARLIER — SWISSLAND —
SEE OUTLINE OF HISTORY – BY H.G. WELLS
SECESSION FROM FRANCH / GERMAN / ITALIAN REGIMES CIRCA 1295.
SET STAGE FOR ENGLAND IN 1600S >>> 1688 BRIT PARLIAMENT MAKES LAWS — NOT MONARCHS
SET STAGE FOR AM REV WAR –
STATE LEGIS MAKING LAWS — NOT MONARCHS
BUT NOW PERVERTED/SUBVERTED BY MINORITY RULE GERRYMANDERS / PRIMARY EXTREMISTS
UNDER 5 TOP MONSTERS DE FACTO MAKING LAWS – IN USA GOVT AND IN EACH STATE GOVT.
THUS POSSIBLE USA CIVIL WAR II ANYTIME — LOTS OF KILLER DEMIGOD MONARCHS WAITING IN CAVES / UNDER ROCKS.
So your theory is completely unproven utopianism? That usually leads to things like mass starvation, gulags, and genocide in real life.
PROVEN ROT ABOUT MINORITY RULE MONARCHS / OLIGARCHS FOR 6,000 PLUS YEARS.
NO REAL DEMOCRACY-REPUBLIC REGIMES – BUT SWISSLAND NOW CLOSE.
P-A-T
Something being bad doesn’t automatically make something else better. It can easily be even worse.
There are a countless number of possible other systems besides what’s been already tried and your proposals. The fact that not everything is perfect doesn’t mean your proposals are the best alternative. And that’s even if we presume something else would be better. It may be that what we have now is the best we can do given the imperfect nature of human beings. Or it may be that some changes would make things better and others worse, and yours could easily be among the latter.
That shouldn’t have to be explained. But apparently it does.
IF PAT WAS AROUND IN 1761-1775 IN A POWER JOB IN A BRIT AMER COLONY WHAT WOULD PAT HAVE DONE ABOUT BRIT MACHINATIONS –
IE — ALL THE STUFF BLASTED IN THE 4 JULY 1776 DOI ABOUT KG 3 AND THE BRIT PARLIAMENT – LORDS AND GERRYMANDER HC HACKS [OFTEN CONTROLLED BY KING AND/OR LORDS] ???
ALL SORTS OF FATAL COPYING OF BRIT GOVT STUFF INTO 1776-1786 STATE CONSTS AND LATER 1787 USA CONST.
I have no idea. Probably ducked my head down and prayed a lot, including that the war would be over as soon as possible with the least amount of damage, and that me and mine would not be among the casualties. Like most people back then. The belligerents on both sides added together were a minority.
on paper defects = always exploited by anti-Democracy monsters –
prime examples-
Hitler in 1933-1934
DJT in 2017-2021
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P-A-T
majority rule and SOP –
2 of the main polisci items reducing total war and slavery
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TOTSOP language —
Sec. 10. (1) The legislative, executive and judicial powers of the People, not retained by the People, are respectively in the elected state legislature and city councils, in the state and city elected executive officers (and executive officers appointed by 1 or more executive officers as provided by law or ordinance) and in the elected state courts: a Supreme Court, one Appeals Court (in 3 judge courts) and one State Court (in 1 judge courts).
(2) Cities shall be the only local governments and shall have equal legislative and executive powers in general laws.
You put Trump on a level with Hitler? I stopped reading at that point. Really, in the whole world since at least the last 90 years, you don’t have a better second example? Where are the dozens of countries Trump invaded? Millions of dead bodies? I’ve heard of TRUMP derangement syndrome, but this is ridiculous even for the severely deranged. Who could possibly take anything you write seriously after that?
The part before that is indecipherable. Hopefully you did better afterwards, but that intro made it too absurd to plow forward.
Pat’s answer is understandable, but I actually took a fair amount of time and effort to consider where your country’s revolutionary founders went wrong, vis a vis what they claimed they were trying to accomplish, in light of what has transpired since. It played a large role in the development of my proposals.
Talking to AZ is about as useful as beating your head against a wall if you actually want reasonable feedback, whether on his proposals, any alternative you suggest, or his criticism (if you can call it that) thereof. You can do it if you actually enjoy beating your head against the wall. Or you can ridicule him if you’re cruel and can’t think of anything better to do, which would be a woeful failure of imagination on your part. Or you can ignore, scroll past, and perhaps warn others. After he, apparently seriously, tried to claim that Trump and Hitler are the two worst world leaders of the last century or so, I think I’ll take that last approach moving forward, or at least hopefully will try to remember to do so and not get suckered into trying to reason with it ,
HOW MANY USA NATIONAL ***EMERGENCY*** LAWS READY TO GO IF AND WHEN TRUMP BECOMES PREZ AGAIN ???
TOO MANY POLISCI MORONS REGARDING EXEC TYRANTS —
HITLER BECAME A *LEGAL* TYRANT IN 1934 AFTER DEATH OF PREZ H. – AFTER 1933 SUSPENSION OF 1919 GERMANY CONST. – RULE BY GOVT DECREE WITHOUT REICHSTAG — ON TO 8 MAY 1945 – REGIME SMASHED DEAD BY ALLIES – MINI-HACKS ARRESTED ABOUT MAY 25, 1945.
TRUMP TRIED TO BECOME A LEGAL TYRANT VIA 6 JAN 2021 REBELLION.
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ON PAPER –
USA PREZ –
EXECUTIVE POWER IN OFFICE
VETO POWER OVER LAWS – PROPOSE TREATY POWER IN OFFICE
PARDON POWER IN OFFICE
3 TYRANT PARTS BY DEFINITION.
Is it your contention that Trump is any worse in this regard than Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc? If yes, what is your evidence for that claim?
Asking like loaded questions that lack context is not the same thing as making a case. Of course, it’s a waste of time to point that out to someone who compares Trump to Hitler on the apparent sole basis of what allegedly might happen and then calls OTHER people morons, when there’s no lack of ACTUAL mass murdering genocidal tyrants in the world right now, much less since 1933, including a couple even worse than Hitler in raw numbers (Stalin and Mao) and others much worse proportional to population (off the top of my head, Pol Pot). That would include Beijing Biden’s puppet master, Xi.
Your lie about J6 is ludicrous. It’s actually Biden who became a tyrant thanks to an election that was stolen with massive coordinated vote fraud and lots of help from a hostile foreign nation, communist China, and direct payoffs for Biden and everyone in his family for selling the country out. If was also in retaliation for Trump standing up to them on trade and some of their other worst shenanigans. The unprecedented level of election fraud was due to an intentional Red Chinese biological warfare operation, covid , and the actions of communist democrats to intentionally subvert election security, supposedly because of a much exaggerated public health emergency. Other overreactions to the Wuhan flu wrecked the awesome Trump economy to even make the election as close as it was, and it still wasn’t all that close if only legitimate votes were counted.
But putting all that aside, even if you believe no vote fraud took place, Trump never tried to seize power on J6. The very best you can claim is that a very small number of his most ardent supporters got carried away. In reality, it was a lot less bad than slanted media accounts have made it out to be, with the few actual acts of violence (including the only murder) carried out either by police, or by undercovers and false flag agents provocateurs.
Trump never issued any illegal orders or in any way try to stage a coup. Contrast that with all the legal and illegal ways the deep state and uniparty elitists have tried to keep him from getting in office, staying in office, getting anything accomplished while in office, getting any credit for everything he did accomplish despite all that, get him out by hook or by crook, and now to try to keep him from focusing on running again. And yet despite all that he still leads Biden, even in the leftist biased polls. Things will only get worse for crooked hidin Biden as the election gets closer, his dementia becomes harder and harder to hide even temporarily, and his disastrous policies and foot in mouth disease keep making him more unpopular with every passing day.
Show me ONE piece of evidence Trump ordered anyone to do anything illegal on J6. Or that he will be any worse in terms of executive orders than any recent US president. I’ll wait.
Sorry. That’s letting you off the hook way too easy. You’ll then also need to show that Trump’s supposed coming tyranny will be worse than those of, say, Idi Amin or North Korea’s Kim’s or any number of other actual tyrants I can name.
And if Trump is such a tyrant, why did he go through four whole years as President and then actually peacefully leave office without seizing totalitarian power, even during a supposed health emergency/ mass panic that would have been the perfect excuse if that was his intention, and what’s going to be different this time if he wins again?
Comparing people to Hitler is actually insulting to all the people Hitler killed, if you think about it. You’re trivializing things and it’s not as harmless as you think. If you keep comparing people to Hitler, if another Hitler ever does show up, you’ll be the boy who cried wolf. That goes for all of you who do that shit. So, seriously, you should stop. You could be making it easier for the real next Hitler to come to power.
You’ll keep getting your nose rubbed in that giant steaming pile of illogical crap you laid, so don’t think changing the subject will let you run away from it. But in the meantime regarding your totsop language:
1. Is that supposed to be a federal constitutional amendment? If so, where does the federal government get off telling state governments in a micromanaging way how to organize their court systems? That’s literally the opposite of separation of powers.
2. Even more bizarrely, city governments are the only local governments? What about counties? How about people who don’t live anywhere near a city? What about people who live in really large cities which require sub city level government? And in any case why would any of that be federal government business?
3. Did you write that yourself? If not, what’s the source? Why does it start with section 10? Is that a typo? If not, what does the rest of it say
4. Don’t think for a minute that this will get you off the hook for your illogical, factually wrong, and offensive comparison of President Trump to Adolf Hitler. Nothing else you say from now on will go without having your nose rubbed in that hot mess you left. You could start by apologizing, but even that wouldn’t be good enough. Truthfully, you should hide your head in shame after saying something that monumentally stupid, because nothing you say after that can ever wash away that stain.
TOO MANY KNOW-IT-ALL MORONS TO COUNT WHO LOVE TO BE USED BY TYRANTS FOR DOMESTIC TERROR AND/OR FOREIGN WARS —
LEFT – LENIN, STALIN, MAO, CASTRO, HO CHI MINH, 1970S COMMIE CAMBODIA KILLERS
RIGHT – MUSSOLINI, HIROHITO, HITLER, FRANCO, SADDAM
EACH TYRANT – GET SOME NUTCASE KILLERS AND KILL/INTIMIDATE THE PUBLIC TO GET TOTAL POWER.
HOW MANY USA LEFT/RIGHT TYRANTS LURKING IN PUBLIC OR UNDER ROCKS IN CAVES ???
If you had a picture, it would be next to know it all moron in the dictionary, Az..
Nothing you said did the first thing to address your ridiculous assertions that Trump is a tyrant, much less the worst one since Hitler (who himself, while in fact among the worst, wasn’t even the worst in his own time; Stalin was). If anything, your list just goes further to prove why Hitler and Trump being your two examples is so bizarre. Really? Not Saddam Hussein or Mobutu Sese Seko or Daniel Ortega or Fidel Castro? Donald Trump? Really? Is that your final answer?
Then, you just screwed up even more by falsely classifying Hitler and Mussolini as right wing, whereas they were in fact left wing. This persistent myth started as name calling among fellow leftists accusing each other of heresy and eventually morphed into full blown historical revisionism which was pushed so hard by leftists in history and all opinion shaping professions for a variety of propaganda reasons that it became near universally accepted as fact. However, it doesn’t take much digging to find that the misclassification doesn’t make sense either logically or historically. And then not a whole lot more after that to actually step by step demonstrate exactly how this particular intentional deception evolved and got propagated far and wide.
Az has seen the links proving this beyond a shadow of a doubt more than a few times now, so at this point he can’t even claim ignorance as an excuse. He is purposely helping to spread a lie to try to create false equivalents when there is none. The left is clearly far more tyrannical by far. No amount of lying covers up this fact. You can draw your own conclusions why Az is lying, but the fact that he is lying and knows he is lying is in fact a fact.
I’m not sure why you claim Saddam Hussein was right wing. Feel free to explain. Or not. Because anything you say has to be considered in light of your assinine claim that Trump is like Hitler and perhaps the worst tyrant since Hitler.
General Franco should get due credit for saving Spain, and possibly all of Western Europe, from much worse tyranny than anything he ever did. After 99 pages of that, you can quibble on the last page that towards the end he was too old, rigid, and stuck in his ways, and didn’t liberalize early or fast enough. Overall, he deserves a lot more credit than blame, when you balance his entire record.
Hirohito is also hard to decisively classify as left or right wing. During his early years he was the figurehead used by right wing authoritarians to rule in his name, and his own role in that is disputed. For the majority of his life he was a largely nonideological and powerless figurehead monarch in a non-authoritarian state. Classifying him as a right wing tyrant is at best highly dubious.
Still not a peep to start digging yourselves out of that ginormous hole you dug for yourself with your utterly imbecilic comparison of Trump to Hitler. Which is probably smart on your part, because what could possibly explain away saying something that dumb? A massive brain hemorrhage? Accidentally eating a few thousand doses of LSD? I mean, it’s just mind boggling.
OLD GREECE CITY-STATE – CITIZEN RELATIONSHIP — EXCEPT FOR CLUELESS KNOW-IT-ALL TROLL MORONS.
HOW MANY LAYERS OF LOCAL GOVTS IN THE WORST STATE OF THE USA ???
— WITH LOCAL IDIOT HACKS POINTING FINGERS AT EACH OTHER ABOUT LOCAL PROBLEM WXYZ.
NY, NY ???
LA, CA ???
Greek city states were not dictated top down by a massive federal government, clueless know it all moron. What happened to them incidentally? If they were so perfect, why did they eventually end that experiment ? What was the longest lasting such state? Biggest population of land area? What percentage of the population were voters? Any downsides u want to get out of the way before I refresh my memory?
Idiot hacks pointing fingers at each other is a working description of separation of powers, incidentally. But then logic and consistency aren’t exactly your friends.
As a reminder, expressing disagreement with you does not make someone a troll or a moron or clueless or any of the rest of your name calling. Neither does asking you questions. Remember, when you point a finger, four point back at you, give or take a couple.
Also as a reminder, you’ve still done nothing to explain or make up for your incredible clueless and moronic comparison of Trump to Hitler, which manages to trivialize the holocaust, insult survivors and family members, and make it easier for a future Hitler to come to power because of all the boys who keep crying wolf like you, all at the same time. You haven’t even tried to make the lamest of apologies after all of this has been pointed out to you several times . It will keep getting pointed out so get used to it. This completely retarded gaseous eruption your brain let our will haunt you, follow you, and shame you for the rest of your days. Soon you will be afraid to close your eyes at night because you won’t want to face the emaciated holocaust victims pointing their angry sunken eyes and bony fingers at you and asking how you would dare to insult their memory like that yet again, just like they will every night for the rest of your life.
WHY DOES THE SAME TROLL MORON (WHO LOVES TRUMP AND HIS TYRANNY) ) USE MULTIPLE FAKE NAMES ???
TRUMP VIA HIS C-I-C ORDERS HAD SEVERAL FOLKS KILLED IN SYRIA EARLY ON IN 2017 —
TO SHOW HE WAS ONE MORE KILLER USA PREZ — ONGOING SUBVERSION OF 1-8
— CONGRESS DECLARE WAR CLAUSE SINCE KOREAN WAR IN JUNE 1950.
SCOTUS HACKS LET THE PREZ KILLINGS / ACTS OF WAR GO ON AND ON – VIETNAM WAR, MIDDLE EAST WARS 1, 2, ETC.
COUNT THE DAYS FOR THE GERRYMANDER HACKS IN CONGRESS TO SURVIVE ???
SEE WIPEOUT OF OLDE RUSSIA PARL BY LENIN COMMIES IN JAN 1918 AND HITLER’S WIPEOUT OF ALL PARTIES IN REICHSTAG EXCEPT NAZIS IN 1933-1934.
Why does Az / demo rep troll moron use multiple fake names?
Several folks killed in Syria? How many? Who were they? What were the circumstances. This is definitely Hitler level stuff we’re talking about here. Now, please say something else dumb in all caps while calling other people trolls and morons, throw in a few random pieces of historical trivia , and voila. I think I still remember enough Basic computer programming language to automate you from middle school.
Oy gevalt! Who is this meshuggeneh pisher trivializing the holocaust and effectively relieving himself on the piles of ashes containing all my grandparents and just about everyone they ever knew?
Look, unlike some here, I’m not the biggest Trump fan. I have not ruled out voting for him again, but I’ll consider other candidates running against him in the GOP primary, and maybe comedian Dave Smith or the Constitution Party nominee in the general.
But comparing him to Hitler? That’s just inexcusable. That’s crossing a line you just don’t cross. It’s ignorant, disgusting, and disrespectful. It’s also probably too late to fix whatever was wrong with the way you were raised to make you say something like that to begin with, much less even repeatedly refuse to beg for forgiveness, which is what you should really be doing right now.
Maybe this guy is just incapable of feeling shame or admitting wrongdoing. He still needs to be followed around and shamed like the infectious moral leper he is to warn others about him from now on.
It’s unconscionable to not give anyone reading fair warning of who he is.
If you want accurate historical analogies between current US leaders and European heads of state of that era, Trump and Hitler is too disgustingly absurd of a comparison to be merely laughable. Biden and Quisling, on the other hand, is pretty much dead on accurate, as far as I can see.
His mind is either too far gone to be morally responsible for anything he spews out, or he’s the actual clueless troll moron he accuses everyone else of being. More likely both.