The Libertarian Party’s Ballot Access Committee held a meeting on Monday, June 12, 2023. From that meeting come these petition drive updates:
Arkansas: 3,740 total signatures to date, 1,900 of which have been gathered by volunteers. 10,000 valid signatures are needed, with a deadline of February 13, 2024.
North Dakota: The petition drive is getting underway with a volunteer effort to date. No reported numbers yet.
Ohio: The LP will be doing an Independent petition for its presidential ticket, needing 5,000 valid signatures, with an August 2024 deadline. A stand-in presidential ticket has been selected and the selection of presidential electors is nearing completion. When that is done, the petition drive will start.
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Hopefully, the Libertarians will be able to succeed in their petition efforts. We could sure use some freedom right about now.
AZ is in the bag for Biden. He is hoping this drive fails.
Any news on drives in NM, MI, or MA since those Libertarian State parties are not affiliated with National and the LNC has their own puppet parties in those states. They’ll need to petition if they want to get on the ballot
Brandon Lyon is incorrect. He obviously supports rogue groups stealing parties. Probably a huge Sarwark fan.
The people supporting the fake parties are statists like George Phillies Nick Sarwark and Whitney Bilyeu.
This is a good opportunity for the minor political parties to shine.
Brandon- I am unaware of a petition drive in NM. The LPNM is qualified as a major party in New Mexico but disaffiliated itself from the LNC some months ago. The “new” LNC affiliate is the Free Libertarian Party of NM.
Wouldn’t a Biden supporter want the drives to succeed so they can take more votes from TRUMP with what’s likely to be a right leaning ticket, given the Mises takeover at national and most state levels? I’m voting for TRUMP either way. Just curious as to Earl’s train of thought here?
Casual observer is referring to the fake party. Obviously, ballot access will go to the group recognized by the lnc once the courts look at it. Anything else would be illogical.
Which party is “fake”, Spock? I was not making a judgement just relaying factual information. I am also unaware of any court action regarding either the LPNM or the FLPNM.
Whichever one is not affiliated with Inc is fake. Duh. Do you even know what logic is?
I’ll bet Spock is not even his real name!
“Wouldn’t a Biden supporter want the drives to succeed so they can take more votes from TRUMP with what’s likely to be a right leaning ticket”
The effect of Libertarian candidates on the Presidential election is complicated. In 2016, they nominated Johnson and Weld, who were perceived as liberals. IMO, this perception drew votes away from Clinton in several swing states, such as MI, PA and WI, did more to help Trump win than Stein did.
In 2020, Jorgensen was also perceived as liberal, but didn’t help Trump at all in AZ, GA, PA and WI. Did Jorgensen flip those states for Biden? While the numbers suggest so, I think in reality Jorgensen just prevented Trump from losing those states by an even bigger margin.
Those states had rigged elections. Democrats stuffed ballots.
That’s because Johnson, Gray and Weld were part of a leftist effort to subvert the l.p. WHICH succeeded 2012 to 2022 but real libertarians known as Mises or Ron Paul Revolution 2.0 took the l.p. Back from the leftist aliens in 2022. So the 2024 ticket will be much more right wing leaning, so it’s a lot easier to see who it will help or hurt. The most likely presidential ticket would be headed by comedian Dave Smith, but whoever it is, they won’t allow another leftist leaning ticket again.
“Those states had rigged elections. Democrats stuffed ballots”
IMO, the only state in which there might have been enough fraudulent votes to flip the state was Pennsylvania. But, even if you took all of PA’s 20 electoral votes, and just gave them all to Trump, it still would not have been enough to elect him.
Anyway, the remedy for closely contested states in which fraud might play a role is to use the method of choosing electors by Congressional district, which is the case in both Maine and Nebraska. You can stuff all the ballot boxes you want in Philly, and it would only change a couple of electoral votes in PA overall.
But, as to my original point, it was probably not Jorgensen who caused Trump to lose those states
The fraud flipped a minimum of 6 states, probably more, and definitely the entire election.
“So the 2024 ticket will be much more right wing leaning, so it’s a lot easier to see who it will help or hurt”
If the Libertarian candidates in 2024 are perceived as right wing, that will most likely help Biden and hurt Trump.
Exactly. Which is the opposite of what Earl said.
Arizona and Georgia are two more that come to mind.
“The fraud flipped a minimum of 6 states, probably more, and definitely the entire election.”
Not likely, given the record of challenges that were dismissed, even by Trump judges. like i said, the only state in which the the challenges moved to a significant degree was Pennsylvania because there were, in fact, real substantive issues of how the absentee ballots were handled.
“Arizona and Georgia are two more that come to mind.”
The recount in Arizona affirmed the original count, and both the Governor and Secretary of Georgia, both Republicans, signed off on the results there.
Anyway, if anyone thinks fraud is a problem in either Arizona or Georgia, the best remedy is still the same: choose the electors by Congressional district.
There are a lot of no good establishment republican judges. Unfortunately, Trump appointed some of them, because he has to rely on his advisors to vet them. One thing he learned over the course of his term, and especially right at the end, was which advisors to trust and which ones not to trust.
There was also Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nevada. And probably even more states than that.
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Minority rule is better than majority rule.it’s not gerrymandered except in Maine or Nebraska but it is set up the way it is for good reason which is just as valid today as in 1776.
The EC was a piece of last minute junk at the top secret 1787 Fed Convention
— copied from the German/Poland electoral colleges for picking German/Poland kings
— since inability to have a uniform definition of elector/voter in all 1787 States –
esp then property $, free status, race, male only.
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Now — should be only USA Citizen, 18 yrs old.
NO mental/criminal/ etc stuff. PERIOD.
— regardless of NEW Age Stone Age tyrant monarch/oligarch types.
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Each new State after 1-13/14 [VT} was one more added arbitrary area – part of North America —
[ min 1 USA Rep plus 2 USA hack USA Senators appointed by State gerrymander Legis – to 17 amdt 1914-1918].
near zero 2023 media discussion about the nonstop minority rule gerrymander R-O-T.
It looks like some joker who can’t tell a more significant difference between Hitler and Trump than one having been convicted and served time wrote some gibberish again. Yay!
“There was also Wisconsin, Michigan, and Nevada. And probably even more states than that.”
And, the remedy is the same for all of them, as well: choose the electors by Congressional district.
Whatever it’s motivation, the creation of the electoral college was a brilliant idea. It allows each state to vote for President any way it wants. You cannot do that without the electoral college.
Granted, I agree it is better have one than not, all other things being equal. But supposing that states have desires of their own as to how to vote seems like a bridge far. Atomistic individuals have voting opinions. My contention is that it should be families with only the head of the family empowered to vote on their behalf, and furthermore on behalf of their serfs and servants, perhaps 999 nonvoters to one voter on average. But whether I’m wrong about that or not, a state seems to me to be far too large of a unit to have political desires. A political unit that can be even in principle considered to have political desires would seem to me to be one where people should at least know each other.
A congressional district today is not what your founders meant it to be. Let’s look at America in 1776. There were 3 million or so people in 13 states. Voters were 21 and up White men who owned property and were Citizens. So, perhaps 300,000 voters? Let’s say roughly 100 congressional districts; that’s 3,000 voters per district. A congressman represents about 100 times as many voting constituents today. That makes a great difference in their relationship to each other.
What’s more, the original design was for electors to be chosen by legislators. If we guess 100 legislators per state, now we’re talking more like 200 or 300 voters per legislator. That starts to approach my proposal. Not perfectly, but I don’t know if my proposal is perfect either, or to what degree it’s imperfect. Perhaps complete perfection is impossible; in fact, that’s far more likely the case than not. However, the main thrust of my working hypothesis is that things have evolved in the wrong direction ever since: larger and more alienated electorates, ever more byzantinely complex and sporadically enforced laws, less local control, higher taxes, more regulations, more bureaucrats, more multiculti tower of Babel, more secularism, more family and family values destruction, more crime, more propaganda and miseducation, and so on, and all these things feed off each other and form a Gordian knot that no one is knowledgeable or empowered enough to cut through.