On August 4, Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick signed the National Popular Vote Plan bill. Massachusetts is the sixth state to have joined the pact. The other states are Illinois, Hawaii, Washington, New Jersey and Maryland. Massachusetts is the first state to have passed the idea in 2010.
This is now at 73 electoral votes toward the 270 electoral votes threshold for the NPV compact to go into effect. Still a long haul to go, but Mass. was a major break-through for the NPV movement.
1. Blatant violation of Art. I, Sec. 10 – NO approval of the NPV scheme by the gerrymander Congress.
2. Blatant violation of the Equal Protection Clause 14th Amdt, Sec. 1
3. Blatant violation of 14th Amdt, Sec. 2.
Sorry – a mere interstate compact can NOT violate ANY part of the nearly dead U.S.A. Constitution.
This is New Age of constitutional law MORONS with their quick fix schemes — NPV, IRV, etc. etc. etc. – all heading in one direction – TOTAL Civil WAR.
LEGAL remedy –
Constitutional Amdt
Uniform definition of Elector in ALL of the U.S.A.
P.R. and nonpartisan App.V.
Way too difficult for NPV MORONS to understand.
#2 Well said. Thank you for that lucid statement.
Now, moving on. For you Electoral College fanatics…start digging your bunkers and stockpiling. NPV is coming.
As far as Art. I, Sect. 10, in 1893 and 1978 the Supreme Court said that this Compacts Clause can “not be read literally,” meaning the consent of Congress is not needed. The 1893 ruling (Virginia v. Tennessee) said “it is evident that the prohibition is directed to the formation of any combination tending to the increase of political power in the states, which may encroach upon or interfere with the just supremacy of the United States.” Since the power to allot electors however each state legislature decides is fully granted by the Constitution to the states and only the states, there is no encroachment on federal power.
For equal protection and citizen’s rights, it does not in any way infringe on the right of voters if legislatures use their Constitutional right to change how they allot the state’s votes. Changing how to award EC votes is something that has happened 10 times before in MA state history, never needing an amendment. Every single vote will be counted, which is not true under the current system.
Thanks for the tongue-in-cheek, Brad; and Alex, for clarifying why the NPV and the compact procedure pass constitutional muster under Art. 1 and Amendment 14.
No. 2, I have seen your condemnation of the EC in the past, and I agree with you on that. Join in supporting NPV. It is the one constitutional way of bringing in effect one-person-one-vote to presidential elections
while bypassing the (impossible in this case)amendment process.
The 1777 Articles of Confederation amendment process (requiring approval by ALL of the States) was ignored when the crisis came in 1786-1787.
The larger States should do whatever it takes to get REAL Democracy in the U.S.A.
The ANTI-Democracy small States can go to HELL — or even perhaps rejoin the British Empire and have a lunatic monarch in control of them.
P.R. and nonpartisan App.V. – REAL Reforms — NOT the JUNK stuff – NPV, IRV, etc. etc.
Fun fact! Britain: Still has a monarch, not controlled by said monarch.
Demo Rep, your specific issues with National Popular Vote were answered; if you have others, many would be happy to debate various aspects of each plan.
Posts that are the equivalent of aimless shouting help no one.
If your State were entering into an agreement with another State, wouldn’t you want that agreement to actually be negotiated with the other State(s)?
#7 Sorry – how many of the New Age conservative SCOTUS folks are quite ready to overrule any of their earlier JUNK stuff about Art. I, Sec. 10 interstate compacts ???
NPV, IRV = New Age JUNK for brainwashing the masses — par for the New Age EVIL course of things — having THE magic fix for all problems.
http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/misc/888wordcompact.php
“Agreement Among the States to Elect the President by Nationwide Popular Vote”
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Article II–Right of the People in Member States to Vote for President and Vice President
Each member state shall conduct a statewide popular election for President and Vice President of the United States.
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NO NATIONAL UNIFORM DEFINITION of who can vote in such *election* —
thus how many hoards of FOREIGN folks (including terrorists), FELONS in jail, MENTAL folks and children under 18, Chicago dead graveyard folks and even outer space aliens will magically become eligible to be an Elector of each Prez/VP — in the party hack States playing standard party hack games ???
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
More New Age hype / spin on the New Age NPV S-C-H-E-M-E / FIX.
How come the NPV scheme did not have 666 words in it ???
Some of the Scheme/Fix MORONS added too many words by mistake ???
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In fact, if the NPV is to be put into effect, the signatory states need to pass EXACTLY the same language in their bills. So…what negotiation is necessary?
You read the agreement, you agree or not. If you agree, you sign on. If not, you don’t.
You’re a Republican tool.
And, as has been said many times before, this will not alter the current voting processes… If you have a problem with those, there’s your concern, not NPV. In reality, NPV makes vote fraud LESS likely and LESS effective.
Think about it like this:
Say City X has 100,000 extra ballots fraudulently counted for a candidate.
Under the current system, 100,000 is a very significant number in terms of statewide margin of victory in some of the tighter races. That fraud could swing the vote to that candidate, who then gets ALL of the Electoral College votes for that state, a major victory.
Under the NPV plan, those 100,000 fake votes would still be counted (voting procedure is the same), but now they are part of the NATIONAL total, where the margins are much much larger. That 100,000 is suddenly a drop in the bucket in a nation with over 300 million people.
Vote fraud is more likely in the system with the much lower threshold and much greater reward for fraud- and that is the current system.