As of the morning of November 19, according to David Leip’ U.S. Election Atlas, Hillary Clinton has 63,551,937 votes, and Donald Trump has 61,898,577, for a margin of 1,653,360. The final tally in a presidential election is usually not complete until the middle of December, and there are still millions of uncounted ballots.
Assuming trends continue, Trump will probably end up with 46% of the total, rather than 47%.
How many people stayed home on Election day.No one counts the non voters.I like the prediction by the University professor who predicted Trump’s win that he will be impeached and the other prediction that the market will collapse.As Peter Schiff says the bubble has to burst before there is an economic recovery.
High unemployment means a lower voter turnout out rate in 2018 and 2020.Bad news for Republicans.
What was the turnout in 1932 -bottom of Great Depression I – versus in 1928 (false boom) ???
1928 Hoover 58, Smith 42
1932 Roosevelt 58, Hoover 42
2016 One more minority rule Prez.
—
P.R. and nonpartisan App.V.
How much of that margin is from Los Angeles County?
Even with Clinton’s big lead, she is still only getting 48% of the totsl popular vote.
In my not-so-humble opinion, if the US went to either pure popular vote, or even the NPV compact, there needs to be some sort of runoff if no one get 50% of the vote.
To answer my own question, from the data on this website, it appears that Clinton beat Trump in LA county by about 1.474,000 votes. That means that nearly 90% of Clinton’s NATIONAL plurality came ENTIRELY from Los Angeles County.
At least Leip notes the communist RED Donkeys vs the fascists BLUE Elephants.
Some gang of MORONS switched the colors to deceive in the 1990s.
I don’t really have a problem with the electoral college. Votes don’t always count equally. Congressional districts have different numbers of voters. So do city council seats, state Senate seats, etc…. Different states contribute different things to the nation. California makes the entertainment. Lots of red states harvest natural resources. I don’t have an issue with voters some states having marginally stronger voting power.
When you consider that Clinton beat Trump in California by +3.470.000 votes, you have got to ask yourself, “What can we say to convince a state to join the National Popular Vote Compact, when the practical effect in this election would have been to just hand the election over to California?”
I’ve been following the vote tally progress on that website. Clinton’s plurality over Trump keeps getting bigger, and I have to wonder if this is the biggest raw vote plurality by a candidate who won without a plurality of the vote. I think it is. I think it also would be the biggest percentage difference, as Clinton is over Trump by 1.26% of the total vote. I had noticed that if you backed out California, Trump would be over Clinton by about 1 million votes, but I didn’t realize, until Walt pointed it out above, that her LA County margin is almost equal to her national plurality. It’s no wonder that the initiatives to eliminate the Electoral College are coming from California’s Senators (Diane Feinstein is a co-sponsor of Boxer’s proposed Constitutional Amendment).
As the votes have come in, the third party raw votes and percentages keep going up.
Here’s a few other interesting stats on this election compared to 2012:
– Trump 2016 now has more votes than Romney 2012.
– The total vote of Trump 2016 plus Johnson 2016 exceeds Obama 2012. Of course that also means that the total of Clinton 2016 plus Johnson 2016 exceeds Obama 2012.
– Jill Stein has 1.02% of the vote, and has more raw votes and a higher percentage than Gary Johnson 2012.
– Egg McMuffin has over half a million raw votes and .41%. Those numbers exceed Jill Stein 2012.
– Darrell Castle has over 190,000 raw votes and .14% of the total vote. Both of those numbers are more than 50% better than the Constitution Party did in 2012.
– The two “main” parties have combined only 94.40% of the vote. In 2012, the “main” parties combined for 98.51% of the total vote.
2012 vote totals were greatly affected by Superstorm Sandy. So many people were dislocated by that storm and/or affected by blackouts. It’s possible that by giving Obama an opportunity to look presidential, that storm affected the election greatly. It’s also possible that Obama’s totals in 2012 were boosted because people were looking for the most generous aid package. Third party share of vote obviously boosted because many people disliked both candidates. Rather than trashing Johnson as they did (particularly Chris Matthews), maybe HRC and her allies should have used him to counter Trump with those who would never vote for HRC. Terrible strategy by Hillary all around.
LA County did not post the required instruction of CA Elections Code 13205(b). Therefore it is an illegal vote
and 13200 applies. Do not count those ballots!
I agree with David, I think that the trashing of Johnson by Clinton acolytes (and her campaign as well) is one of the leading causes of her defeat.
Seriously, why does this website attract a bunch of bumbling incompetent idiots all the time? The comments on this website are like a perfect example of everything wrong with America… incompetence and ignorance are ridiculously plentiful around here.
The top ANTI-Democracy gerrymander HACKS in each regime do NOT care whatever about the percentages
— only the getting of POWER by whatever means available.
The USA is now quite rotted like most of Europe and lots of 3rd/4th world regimes.
—
P.R. and nonpartisan App.V.
The electoral college is still needed in case a nominee dies. If there needed to be a special election, voters would lose it.
How many States manage to survive if a Guv-Elect dies before the term starting time ??? —
same for city Mayors-elect, county executives-elect, etc. etc.
20th Amdt parts –
Sec. 3. If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.
Sec. 4. The Congress may by law provide for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the House of Representatives may choose a President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them, and for the case of the death of any of the persons from whom the Senate may choose a Vice President whenever the right of choice shall have devolved upon them.
Electoral College is an undemocratic farce. The President should be elected by everyone , not just by those who happen to reside in one state or another.If I live in an urban heavily populated state,my vote shouldn’t count?
I say have every congressional district be separate, use ranked choice voting and apply the Schulze Method (its a subset of the Condorcet Method) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method and then have the 2 “At-Large” electoral votes divvied up according to how many districts in the state were won (>2/3 get both otherwise split)
What do you guys think?
VIDEO : Voter Fraud Erases Hillary’s “Popular Vote” Win truthfeed.com/video-voter-fr… democratic FIASCO -all her cheating, SHE STILL LOST!!
I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but someone explain to me how this happens. Between me updating my vote numbers Friday and again today, the Connecticut numbers at the Secretary of State website have changed by the following amounts:
Clinton +108
Trump +4
Johnson +2
McMullin +16 (write-in)
Castle +3 (write-in)
AMcCarrick said: “Seriously, why does this website attract a bunch of bumbling incompetent idiots all the time? The comments on this website are like a perfect example of everything wrong with America… incompetence and ignorance are ridiculously plentiful around here.”
Ballot access news (lower case) attracts people who are attracted to minor parties. These people are generally crackpots, weirdos, and psychopaths.
Merrimack – Despite the claim on the SOTS web site that all 744 precincts in Connecticut had reported, there was actually one from Clinton that was still out. That might account for the difference. Precinct level data doesn’t seem to be available anymore, so I can’t check. They’ve also amended the initially reported data from several precincts as mistakes are caught.
A precinct that was about 95% Clinton, and Gary Johnson in this precinct had half the votes of Trump?
There are places in Connecticut that would go 95% for Hillary and the difference between Trump and Johnson isn’t significant given how few the votes are. But, yeah, Clinton isn’t one of the places that would go 95% Democrat. So they’re probably fixing mistakes. Like I said, precinct level data doesn’t seem to be available, anymore, so I can no longer see exactly what changes they’re making.