California Bill to Outlawing Paying Circulators Per-Signature Advances

On August 16, the Senate Appropriations Committee passed AB 1947, which outlaws paying petition circulators on a per-signature basis. The bill now goes to the Senate floor.


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California Bill to Outlawing Paying Circulators Per-Signature Advances — 19 Comments

  1. Forget about all candidates for the November ballot.

    They aren’t going to suddenly switch gears and bring concrete actions for the team.

    Candidates who cannot partake in pure proportional representation for whatever reason prove to be a liability and need to be cut free.

    Focus our effort to build the team with proven team players who have demonstrated the interest in collaboration under pure proportional representation:

    http://www.international-parliament.org/ucc.html

    The One Green USA team.

  2. The bill is one more ATTACK by the gerrymander oligarchs on Democracy

    — trying to STOP ALL election reforms via petitions.

    R word NOW required in CA and all other rotted to the core minority rule gerrymander regimes ???

  3. I have to largely agree with Demo Rep on this one. Banning paying petitioners per signature is an attempt by the ruling parties to make it more difficult to push for reform or get third party and Independent candidates on the ballot. CA might be run by Democrats, but it’s not run by democrats.

  4. The built-in dysfunctions of plurality elections are always nipping at our heals and there are always excusises for actions by pluralists for blocking teamwork and collaboration but going back and forth from D to R under pluralism doesn’t seem to maintain the quality in elections that we need.

    Start with the correct math under pure proportional representation (PPR) and build on that instead.

    The United Coalition has been using PPR successfully for more than twenty-three consecutive years and PPR works fine.

    While winning the 2012 Libertarian Missouri POTUS primary, the only state primary that fell before the national LP convention, we won with 52.7% but the party bosses using plurality voting didn’t want to hear anything about it.

    Us men have been uniting behind our opposite gender (Ruwart/Nott in 2008) Lingenfelter in 1995) for more than twenty-three consecutive years and PPR works like nothing before.

    http://www.allpartysystem.com/one.php

  5. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering_in_the_United_States

    The CA legislature is a prime example of rigged TOTAL gerrymanders = TOTAL ANTI-DEMOCRACY oligarchs

    — due to the rigged CA gerrymander commission — with its undercover Donkey agents posing as *independents* in 2011-2012 — right out of the Stalin commie playbook.

    ZERO difference between the current top CA legis oligarchs and the communist oligarchs in the 1917-1991 Russia-USSR regimes — both EVIL and VICIOUS control freak gangsters.

    Thus — ALL the CA legislature machinations to crush ALL reforms via petitions — NO surprise.

    Will Trump declare that a COMMUNIST foreign regime controls CA ???

    — to openly have Civil WAR II ??? Stay tuned.

    See Germany 1929-1934 and Spain 1931-1939.

    PR and AppV

  6. I’m fucking done with this crap…. Demo Rep and Ogle’s posts under any other web site would be called spam. Guess I’ll just have to find another source.

  7. Bye –

    The ROT continues –

    1. UNEQUAL ballot access laws

    2. ANTI-Democracy minority rule gerrymander regimes in the USA

    3. Super-dangerous party HACK exec/judic officers

    4. Too many brain dead ignorant really stupid political MORONS to count regarding 1 and 2 and 3

    — esp in SCOTUS, in the mass media, in profs in colleges – polisci, law, history, math, etc. and elsewhere (including this list).


    Equal ballot access laws

    PR legis and nonpartisan AppV exec/judic

  8. I do moderate it. I can’t understand why comments bother anyone. If you have decided that a particular commenter never has anything worthwhile to say, just skip over the comments from that person.

  9. I think the bill can be interpreted as banning use of paid circulators.

    The bill says:

    “A person or organization who pays a person money or any other thing of value based on the number of signatures obtained on a state or local initiative, referendum, or recall petition is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine not to exceed twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.”

    Let’s say an organization pays $1,800,000 to obtain 600,000 signatures. Isn’t the payment based on the number of signatures gathered? Or is there an escape because I paid a signature collection organization rather than a person? But if that is the case, then can I hire John Doe, Inc. to gather signatures at $3 per signature. I don’t know whether John Doe, Inc. is a one man show.

    The bill does not apply to party qualification or candidate petitions.

    That

  10. Has the Trump tyrant disease infected some weak brains —

    esp among younger/dumber folks ???

    — ie purge certain critics of the current regime ???

    See pending Trump purge of more former top intell folks.

    See routine purges in commie and nazi regimes.

    PR and AppV

  11. What is a *good* post on any BAN subject for the several pre-skool juveniles on this list ???

    I like/hate such and such —

    like the JUNK/TRASH postings on *social* media about songs, movies, TV shows, *stars*, sports, etc.

    PR and AppV — now a matter of life or death in the USA —

    due to the power mad MONSTERS in Devil City.

  12. The only person I have ever seen Richard delete was Demoreplivesinmomsbasement because all he did was troll. That’s a legit reason for deleting.

    Personally, I agree DemoRep and especially Ogle do nothing but spam.

  13. What would the several pre-skool juveniles on this list have done

    in 1603-1689 in England

    Down with divine right of kings(monarchs) – Brit Kings Charles I and James II ???

    in 1761-1783 in Am Brit colonies / States

    Down with the Brit King George III monarchy/oligarchy ???

    in 1854-1870 in the USA regarding ballot access stuff / election reforms —

    Down with slavery (slavery oligarchs) – equal civil and political rights now ???


    ALL spam all the time in such time periods ???

    Current mess in Devil City –
    back to the EVIL rotted past —
    TYRANT Trump and his oligarch stooges in the gerrymander Congress and SCOTUS ???

    Deja Vu — all over again ???

    Augustus Caesar 27 BC
    Napoleon 1799
    Lenin 1917
    Mussolini 1922
    Hitler 1933
    etc.

  14. Question for Jim Riley and Richard, IF this is a ban on paid circulators, I take it that it’s unconstitutional?

    I support free speech and reserve the right to skip over — and NOT put Richard in the position of a speech-nazi.

    That said, the folks who provide dumb and hyperbolic comments, beware you brought this on yourselves.

  15. What’s next from the ANTI-Democracy minority rule incumbent gerrymander HACKS —

    NO paid electronic ads — TV, radio, internet, etc. ???

    NO paid physical ads — newspapers, magazines, movies, etc. ???

    ANY difference between NEW AGE HACKS in the USA and the HACKS in the Stalin/Mao/Hitler/Hirohito legislative bodies ???

    PR and AppV

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