Libertarian Party Elects New National Chair

The Libertarian Party held the first half of its national convention in late May, and nominated for president and vice-president virtually. It then set a second meeting for July 10-12 in Orlando, Florida, to elect party officers. On Saturday, July 11, it elected a new national chair, Joseph Bishop-Henchman. It also re-elected its Treasurer. It will vote on Sunday for Vice-Chair, Secretary, and national committee, and judicial committee if there is time.

The July convention included virtual delegates voting electronically, but over 300 delegates chose to attend in person. The room for the meeting was exceedingly large, which made social distancing feasible.


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Libertarian Party Elects New National Chair — 86 Comments

  1. I watched online. I was happy to see lots of face masks and social distancing. Which was much better than the horribly insane picture I saw of the Oklahoma Libertarian State Convention with not a single face mask and no social distancing.

    Congratulations to Joseph Bishop-Henchman. I think he will do a great job.

  2. NOOO more elitist extremist caucuses, primaries and conventions.
    —–
    ONE Election Day.

    PR and AppV — pending Condorcet.

    TOTSOP.

    both in private clubby parties and public govts.

  3. Walter: There were a total of 970 delegates on Saturday
    so around 670 were at their homes.

  4. Walter: On Sunday morning there were 346 delegates in person and 493 delegates at home.

  5. No surprise Stock loves government mandated face masks, another big government thing real libertarians are against. They don’t work.

    He can’t be any worse than Sarwark, right? I don’t know Bishop very well, but being from DC makes me fear he is big government.

  6. Ban Demo Rep: Use your real name instead of hiding behind a pseudonym ypu cowardly motherfucking piece of shit.

  7. Stock knows I am right, that’s why he didn’t deny any of it. What a loser.

  8. Ban Demo Rep: Yes I do think that following government issued public health recommendations is the right thing to do. I have never believed that taxation is theft. I think Social Security, Obamacare, and Welfare are good ideas.

    I am fed up with all the who is or isn’t a real Libertarian. So I am taking this opportunity to announce that I resign my membership in the Libertarian Party. I had been a member since 1992, but no longer. I will change my voter registration to the Democratic Party.

    According to Oklahoma law voters cannot change parties until September 1st. On that date I will do so.

    Does that clear things up for you? Use your real name like I have you cowardly motherfucking poece of shit.

  9. Do you not wear a seatbelt because its “government mandated”? Being reflexively contrarian to anything government says is just as bad as blind obedience; and yes masks have been shown to be very helpful for controlling the infection rate. Remember the mask is so you don’t unknowingly infect others, its not for yourself.

  10. Robert Stock, no one in their right mind would put there real name online. U do U boo. Fact checker, Joe Bishop-Henchman’s real name is James Ogle? Big if true!

  11. Brandon Lyon there is no reasoning with this people. I bet he’s a Trumptard. Probably also thinks corona is spliced with AIDS and that the Elders of Zion got together with the chinese communist party to invent it, LOL.

  12. I am fed up with all the who is or isn’t a real Libertarian. So I am taking this opportunity to announce that I resign my membership in the Libertarian Party. I had been a member since 1992, but no longer. I will change my voter registration to the Democratic Party.”

    Yeah if U think SS, obamacare and welfare are good ideas that is an overdue move.

  13. Fact metachecker: I have used my real name on line for over 20 years. Not one problem yet. I don’t expect a problem ever.

  14. Actually, masks are ineffective. Ask the New England Journal of Medicine. Wearing one because the government tells you to is giving up your freedom, same with seatbelts. Stock and Lyon should join the commies in the Green Party, where they bow down to huge government. They both did a terrible job pretending to be libertarian. Even obvious faker Bill Weld did a better job.

  15. Masks are about 80% effective. What the government says is just crap though. You should join the commies in the Republican Party which is by far the most commie party in the US, more commie than the actual communist party, more commie than even the commie piece of crap democrats. Bill Weld is just trash regardless of which party he pretends to give a crap about at any given minute, so there’s that. In other news, qanon and trump also are trash and so is joe biden.

  16. Robert Stock what does your stupidity in using your real name have to do with anyone else? I told you, you do you.

  17. hey, don’t use condoms either, have unprotected sex with as many ppl as you can and share needles and drive drunk and blindfolded in traffic
    govt says these are bad, you should totally do them

  18. Now that Black Lives Matter I jam my hip hop boombox to the max all night long and those old honkies next door can’t say shit.

  19. If masks are so great, why weren’t people in the US wearing them their whole lives? People die from the flu (still no cure). It’s just another way for the government to control you. Sadly, the LP chose a weak SJW candidate in Jorgensen, so no vote for her.

  20. Because there’s flu vaccines and no covid19 vaccine, and it’s more contagious, more deadly and has far more cases of severe and or prolonged disease than flu does anymore. Not doing something just because governments sometime mandate it is stupid. See ratsex comment above for examples. Jorgensen problems are exactly the opposite of being a sjw. Have fun voting for Putin’s agent orange, the other geriatric rapist with worsening dementia in the race, the corrupt negligently mass homicidal coal baron bigot from wv, some other minor league loser, writing in, not voting, or whatever you plan to do. I’ll stick with jo for now, especially because spike is on the ticket.

    Also, welcome to the helm and good luck to new chair jbh and the rest of the returning and new national committee members.

  21. Ever hear of capitalization or writing a proper sentence?

    I am not a Trump fan, but with the LP choosing a paper candidate SJW for President, and a joke for VP, I may just vote for him.

    The flu vaccine does not work. I speak from experience.

  22. Ok, so have fun voting for the big orange Hindenburg balloon. I don’t care since the odds of your one vote deciding the presidential election are about the same as him ever being a good or even not completely crappy president. Jo is the opposite of a sjw and spike is the opposite of a joke, and this article is not even about the presidential election although you only want to focus on that.

    Getting bigots out of the L.P. Will help it appeal to a lot larger numbers of people their current continued presence is deterring from supporting and or joining, so if that’s you, please do let the door hit you on the way out. Oh and for a good laugh check out loserbrigade.com . The struggle is real LOL.

  23. Oh yeah have fun catching flu, corona, or whatever. Not really, but it’s not like you’re going to listen to me anyway. Too bad for the rest of us you may be spreading these diseases as well due to your conspiracy bs that’s being helped bring spread by captain bonespur, faux news, Alex Jones and the rest of Putin’s fifth column USA.

    Back in the real world flu vaccines and masks are not 100 percent effective but are still much Better than nothing. But reality is not the strong suit of likely trump voters who think Jorgensen is a sjw which they use solely as a pejorative.

    Please get anyone who thinks that way as far as possible from the L.P. As soon as possible, and both the party and the country will be better off as a result.

  24. You still haven’t figured out how to write a proper sentence.
    A racist? No. I don’t support BLM because they are Marxist. They aren’t really about ending racism, that is obvious if you actually look into them. Jorgensen does support them, meaning she may be a Marxist. Spike Cohen ran with Vermin Supreme, an obvious joke candidate. I can’t take him seriously. If we had the equivalent of Canada’s Rhinoceros Party, that would be different, and he may have had my vote just because he admits he’s a joke.

    It appears every choice for President is terrible, which is why I would likely choose Trump. I never said I would endorse him, because the lesser of six or eight evils or whatever is still not a good thing.

    If I do catch Corona, there’s only a 99% chance I will live. Oh no! Remember that South Park episode about SARS? That pretty much sums up how crazy people have been acting about this.

  25. BLM is not Marxist. A few people in BLM are marxist. Many are not. It is a decentralized concept, with various different organizations, all tiny and relatively insignificant among all the people organizing and independently engaging in a wide variety of activities around the general concept that black lives matter. That is in opposition to all the people who ignore the problem of police violence and abuse, especially its disproportionate use against black people, and not to say that anyone else’s life does not matter or that it matters any less.

    No one owns this concept. So there is no “them.” There is only us, which is anyone who shows up to a rally, promotes it online, or anything else having to do with it. The vast majority of us are not marxists. I know this, because I have been actively involved. I am not a marxist, not even close to a marxist and not fond of marxism. So whatever “looking into” you have been doing is 99% looking at the same BS and spin being circulated, regurgitated, and spun by rightwing BS sources and a few actual Marxists who, yes, did help come up with the concept of BLM, have created tiny organizations to skim money, data and cult recruits from the much larger movement, and all the usual crap these tiny marxist groups do with much larger movements.

    For example take antiwar. ANSWER is marxist, and they have “organized” antiwar demonstrations although in reality they did not do most of the organizing much less attending or associated online activity. This is the same relationship marxists sects claiming “BLM” have to do with BLM related protests or BLM online activity. It would be equally stupid for the LP to explain why it should be actively antiwar and trying to actively participate in the antiwar movement in person and online and both build and use that wider movement in the same way the Marxist groups are doing…as it would with the antiracist movement.

    Those are only two of many examples, and they are not all on the left. Libertarian however did not make this same stupid mistake when it came to using the TEA party movement in its early days, despite the presence of Republicans doing the same. The fact that this most simple thing has to continue to be explained to people who don’t like the LP being actively antiracist and saying black lives matter, over and over and over and over endlessly, and they still don’t get it, is exactly why the LP is better off without such people, which will make it much better at reaching much larger numbers of other people who are being driven away by such right wing obstructionists. It’s a good trade, and I’m happy every time I see the Libertarians try to make this trade and sad every time I see them miss the opportunity.

    Vermin and Spike are very good at this, using both serious and satirical approaches. Spike now more seriously, but even Vermin too. And if you seriously believe Jorgensen may be a Marxist you are really more of a joke than anything they portray.

    I don’t care if you choose Trump. Go ahead and do that. Jo and Spike will get more votes, and more and better quality supporters and future party members, donors, supporters and candidates if they don’t pander to you and others who think like you than if they do. The less they pander to your kind the better. Hopefully JBH will be on the same page with that and I am happy to see that he is far much more so than his main opponent for party chair was.

    If you do catch covid yeah on average there is a 99% chance you will survive. But you will also have a much higher chance of serious and/or prolonged disease than you will of dying. The immunity response it will leave may well wear off after a few months, and the damage it will do to your lungs, brain and other parts of your body will make you even more likely to die than the first time. It’s not clear whether herd immunity will actually work with covid and at least some studies shows antibodies don’t provide complete protection and wear off after a few months. That 1% chance is substantially higher if you are old or have any number of comorbidities such as being fat, long term heart or breathing issues, etc, etc, or even your blood type.

    It’s also likely you will infect other people, some of whom will infect others, etc, etc, etc. Each person typically infects more than one person on average and about half the time they do so before they develop any symptoms or while they have very mild symptoms which could just as easily be a more typical cold or flu or some other sickness. But of course you don’t care whether the people you infect, the people they infect, etc, live or die or if they suffer through prolonged and or severe illness either.

    Your 1% estimate if true would be about 3 million plus people in the US alone and 80 million plus worldwide. If that happened within one year, along with all the people who don’t die but do spend weeks in the hospital or otherwise severely ill, all sorts of medical and other resources would be completely overwhelmed. You don’t care about that either though. Fortunately, some people are a little less ignorant and sociopathic than you are so it probably won’t be quite that bad but it will still be really bad.

    What you tend to miss out on, is that the more people act like you and ignore the dangers to yourself as well as others, the more the virus will spread faster and in turn, the more draconian the responses from governments will be as well as the more damage will be caused to the economy. Because a lot of people are idiots, there are a lot of people contributing to this, especially with Trump as well as both traditional and new/social media outlets dominated by those who like him spreading ignorance and stupidity like what you just posted as well as acting on it and encouraging others to do so as well.

    Of course I am not going to convince you and I seriously doubt enough people who I could convince are even reading these off topic comments on a news story about a minor party picking an internal office so this is most likely a waste of time to even type.

    You do you and it will work out for the best I hope and expect.

  26. “Woody” is probably Paul, and he is likely “Rodent copulation” as well. He has been trying to push Libertarians who like Ron Paul and The Mises Institute to join the Life and Liberty Party, a party which only has presidential ballot access in one state and no ballot access anywhere else. The cost of getting 50 state plus DC ballot access from that low of a starting point would be in the 10’s of millions of dollars, and it would be a tremendous amount of work, plus building name recognition for the party would cost 10’s of millions of dollars more.

    It would be much better for Ron Paul supporters and Mises Institute supporters (who are basically one in the same) to continue to flood LP conventions with delegates and take over controlling interest in the party.

    Paul wants them to go to the Life and Liberty Party so they have to spend 10’s of millions of dollars, and a tremendous amount of effort, just to get to where the Libertarian Party is today. It would be far cheaper, and far more effective, for the Mises Caucus to just out recruit everyone else, which they ate already doing, and eventually take over the party.

    Paul wants the LP to consist of Gary Johnson style Republican Lites, and radical leftist Social Justice Warriors.

    Why don’t the Republican Lites and the leftist SJW’s go to another party?

    The biggest thing that has happened in the libertarian movement was the Ron Paul rEVOLution of 2007-2012. The notion that the Mises Caucus is preventing the LP from growing is ridiculous. If anything, the opposite is true.

  27. LOL! One of the founding members of Black Lives Matter recently admitted that she is a trained Marxist.

    BLM is part of a Marxist/globalist agitator/”divide and conquer” strategy.

    Yes, some well meaning dupes are likely involved, but they are acting as “useful idiots” for the communists and their globalist puppetmasters.

  28. I don’t give a crap who you think I am Andy and I don’t care who you are either but yeah, I do hope the Hoppe caucus, you, and everyone like you goes to this Life and Liberty party or wherever you go. If this Paul guy you keep talking about thinks so to, good for him, and I hope more and more people will as well.

    You are actually a dupe for literal fascists and bigots yourself, and that’s the kindest guess about your motivations. It may be worse than that because the Ron Paul/Paleo/”Mises” (misnomer) REVOlution (revo as in over) and the Alex Jones paranoids you always echo are crawling with both open and hidden fascists and bigots. It’s a two way pipeline or really more of an open sewer. Shut it down, and keep the Libertarians out of it. The good news is that most of your delegates agreed, and hopefully will keep agreeing.

  29. Of course not all involved in BLM are Marxists, but the founders and main people are. They are more into stirring the pot and inflating their egos, and less into actually ending racism. Free housing does not end racism. Smashing windows of businesses does not end racism. Hating white people does not end racism. Most of the civil rights leaders of years gone by would never be associated with such a radical and evil group.

    Jorgensen supports this group, that is a fact. It’s also a fact the leaders are Marxist and their goal is Marxism. Jorgensen knows this I am sure, so that gives a strong suspicion she is a Marxist. Remember, she had nothing to do with the party except membership for over twenty years, then all of a sudden comes back into the picture? Seems very odd.

    I know who the new LP chair is, but I don’t believe I’ve actually met him, and don’t know much about his beliefs. I do hope he stops what Sarwark did- bringing in pathetic ex-Republicans and SJW communists into the party. Is the Michigan commie who ran for chair still involved in the party?

    I cannot vote for or support a party that wants Marxism. The LP, at least with their top candidate and prior actions, is clearly going in that direction. It certainly would be a waste of my $25 to give it to them.

    It’s a shame the Constitution Party essentially nominated a Trump clone. Castle, while not perfect, was a decent candidate with some libertarian leanings. He was better than Gary Johnson, that’s for sure. The CP could have been the party real libertarians could have gone over to and taken over. Change the platform to remove all of the religious stuff, and work your tails off for ballot access. Instead, the real libertarians have no home, unless they start from scratch. That’s sad.

    I’ve never even heard of this other party.

  30. I got outta the joint early cuz of corona. And man now its a niggas paradise. I jus go to the store and grab whatever shit I want and walk out. Them honkies at the store cant say shit. I dont even have to wear a mask. All I can say is thank god for Black Lives Matter. I don’t give a shit if it marxist. Im living the high life motherfucka!

  31. JB-H paying ANY attention to the many troll postings in this thread ???

    esp the Big Dawg troll post ???
    —-
    LP Bylaws — same FATAL defects as govt consts —

    Convention elites.
    ANTI-Democracy Minority rule Gerrymander part [ad hoc regions machination] for some LNC members.
    NO separation of powers.


    ALL LP members vote by mail ballots.
    PR and AppV – pending Condorcet.
    TOTSOP.

  32. Main people involved in blm in their own minds. Founders maybe, maybe not, hard to prove. One woman claims to have been a founder of blm and has come out as a marxist but maybe all she founded was a small organization leeching off the name.
    And maybe she really did help create and spread the concept but even then so what? She did not spread it as a marxist idea to the people who took it up, and it got away from them attracting a massive supermajority of non Marxists who got involved later.

    To use the tea party analogy the libertarian party of Illinois took credit for creating the national tea party phenomenon in 2008 but by the time it got to be a national movement it had long gotten away from them. Same thing with blm if the Marxist claims that they created it are true.

    To contend Jorgensen is a marxist because she says black lives matter now is like saying all the republicans, independents, conservative democrats and everyone else involved with tea party meetings, protests, online groups etc in say 2015 was a libertarian. It would be stupid and you would and should be pointed and laughed at. Well the same holds true with blm now.

    Blm is not a group anymore than tea party was or is . There were various different groups claiming to be tea party and other people involved who were never involved in any organized central group or very loose involved with them. Blm is the same way .

  33. Black Lives Matter has been funded by the likes of George Soros from its inception. It has always been a sham.

    This is not to say there are not legitimate reasons to protest the police, because there are, but BLM is not just about police accountability, they are about increasing racial tensions and pushing a Marxist agenda.

  34. Smashing windows, hating white people, blah blah blah. You have not pointed anywhere Jorgensen, who is still not the subject of this article, did any of that. You are just plain lying. If you were or claimed to be a libertarian at some point they are better off if you don’t call yourself that anymore. Good riddance to bad rubbish . Actually jo and for that matter spike have come out opposing Marxism, any kind of racism, and looting whether by governments or individuals many times now. You are spreading lies and it’s great if everyone who believes you gets as far from the libertarians as possible, the party will be much bigger and stronger and grow faster_as a result.

  35. You have always been a sham Andy and you are spreading the same lies as the other fool if you are not one and the same.

  36. How hard is it to write a proper sentence? You are turning into Demo Rep with your incoherence.

    BLM IS a Marxist group. Plain and simple. Look at the roots. You can support ending racism and police brutality, yet oppose BLM. The media and the Marxist BLM members don’t want you to understand that.

    They want to defund police. What is their solution… state run social workers? Yeah, that will stop a potential murderer… Yes, policing needs to be looked at, but you can’t just end it unless you have a good solution.

  37. Jorgensen supports BLM, and therefore their Marxist agenda. Have you not read her Tweets? I am not buying her platform, because she doesn’t appear to believe it herself.

    Spike Cohen is not serious.

  38. I do not believe that Jo Jorgensen is a Marxist. I think Jo is just trying to do libertarian outreach to the left, in this case to BLM. She may be somewhat naive and/or uninformed about the agenda behind BLM, but I do not think she is a Marxist. Jo is a sincere libertarian.

  39. Shit. Those is just words man. If Jorgenson is for Black Lives Matter then im all for it. I get to do whatever the fuck i want and dont need a job and dont pay rent. I drive around in my neighbors cadillac any time i want and i go on the sidewalks and knock over shit and nothin these honkies can say. Im the motherfucking king.

  40. “Big Dawg” is another troll, probably Paul, or the troll who plays the role of “Egyptian God” on here.

  41. Lol. Andy sounds like one of them honkies who yells “All Lives Matter” and complains to the police. Hahaha. Pigs cant do shit to me honky. Get back inside b4 you skin gets sunburn motherfucka. Stupid cracka.

  42. If you meet someone who believes conspiracy theories that George Soros or the Koch Brothers are behind massive disinformation campaigns and are paying people online and in person to post and protest, it’s safe to discount their opinions

  43. It’s safe to discount Brandon Lyon’s opinions, because he is a fake libertarian who belongs in the commie Green Party with the other SJWs. You and Robert Stock are probably the same person.

  44. I’m totally not a bigot or a conspiracist paranoid. Who are you people, paid communist trolls? I think 80-90% of you at least are Paulie and sjw’s . You should be sent to the sinai at the very least. Or at least to a fun vacation camp or something. Somewhere where men and women are consecutively ranked .

  45. Hi there

    Congratulations in making it this far in this off topical; conversation. White Lives Matter, Blue Lives Matter. can we all at least agree on that much? Red and pink lives don’t matter, just take them for a copter ride. Real libertarians agree.

  46. BLM is not Marxist and not a group. There are small Marxist groups that call themselves BLM. Jorgensen does not support those. It does not matter if they started BLM or not, they no longer own or control the larger movement. Anyone can jump in front of a parade. That’s what those groups do. Are you really too stupid to understand this? More likely just playing dumb, of course.

  47. bdr

    https://lifeandlibertyparty.com/

    This one is for you bud. I don’t have to tell Andy since he is their ballot access guy, and hopefully he will soon be a member with them and leave the libertarians as well. Who wants to take bets that andy was at the corona party in Orlando this past weekend when he could have stayed home and participated online? If he is following PA law he is quarantined for the next 2 weeks now and can’t help the LP or anyone else petition in PA, and their deadline is coming up start of August. Andy is a truly Trump level stable genius.

  48. lol did you corona party Swings and Misses Caucus fools look at what

    http://loserbrigade.com redirects to? Yeah. It’s true. No lie detected.

    Tell Josh Smith to pay his child support, quit beating and abusing women, stop lying all the time, stop bringing his kids that he abandoned into the mix with posting private screenshots to try to prove that he has a relationship with his kids when truth be told he was not just not paying child support but nowhere to be found for the first 15 years of her life and she is just now trying to meet his other kid from baby mama #2 with #3 or 4 from yet another on the way, none of whom he paid child support or helped raise in any way.

    His posting private conversations to political groups got back to his teen daughter he abandoned and she got mad and joined too, and told everyone what he is really about. Then he threatened to kill himself and to not buy her a phone her promised so she stopped going at him. Well the group fundraised and got her a phone which is more than the so called daddy Joshua smith ever did for her in 16 years and the same holds true for his other exes and kids and girlfriends.

    This is who you guys wanted to be the chairman? That’s a real joke but not a funny one unlike our VP candidate or Mr. Supreme, our past chair or the incoming chair who has saved taxpayers literally billions with his Tax Foundation work. That BTW is why he lives in DC, he moved there to fight against taxation nationally as a political organization head, and now will continue his work as chair of the LP among other things. Jo is a SJW, Marxist? Not even close.

    But Andy, BDR, Josh Smith and Michael HeilSS and the loserbrigade.com corona party Swings and Misses cuckus posse, Alex Jones, secret and not to secret trumptards and fash, paleolithic conservatives, the Hoppe Institute and the Hoppe Caucus…well, they all fash and Ron Paul neoconederate Pay to Play and nepotism suckers. No wonder the Constitution Party and Trump appeal to them. Straight up trash.

  49. Joshua Smith was not a good choice for chair either. The party would be screwed either way. They needed a better choice to step up.

    BLM is Marxist, and Jorgensen may be too.

  50. They got an excellent chair, you are more likely to be marxist than Jo is since you keep repeating already debunked bunk propaganda, the vast majority of BLM is not Marxist, if you’re not Marxist you are just about certainly fash and in fact like Hoppe you may be both, what else is new?

  51. Why did she leave the party for 20 years? Seems fishy.

    Have you seen the video of one of the BLM founders? Obviously Marxist. They ask for free stuff, that’s Marxism.

    No wonder the LP has been suffering for a while. Horrible leadership, fake libertarians as members, and horrible candidates.

  52. Did you see the story in Indianapolis over the weekend where a BLM supporter murdered a white woman for saying “All Lives Matter”? Yeah, sounds like a peaceful non Marxist group…

  53. She did not leave the party. She focused on her family and career. Not everyone is a perpetual candidate or committee person. They founder stuff was addressed above. Learn to read, then go back in read. Illinois LP “founded” the TEA parties. Are those libertarian? No. Relax. Even if some BLM founders were Marxists and not just taking exaggerated credit like they usually do, they don’t run squat but their mouth in the movement. Fake libertarians? Sounds like that’s you.

    Since all kinds of people can claim whatever they want and no one can stop them, it’s not exactly surprising that a few are in fact violent and/or Marxists. Some LP members have murdered people too, and some are actually nazis like Cantwell, Invictus and some others. Does that make the LP a bunch of murdering nazis? For the most part no. Same thing with BLM.

    At least the lp is actually a group. BLM is not a group. It’s not a peaceful or non-peaceful group or a Marxist or non-Marxist group, because to be any of those things it would have to be a group, and it’s not. Like the TEA parties it is a movement. It contains various groups which use the name. None of them have any rights or ownership to it. Most people in the larger BLM movement are peaceful, and not marxist. A few are not peaceful, and/or are Marxist.

    Dr. Jo has explicitly made clear she does not support any who are violent or marxist. You are just a liar. And a commie, fascist or both. You sure employ propaganda like one. So most likely that is exactly what you are.

  54. If you were really as dumb as you pretend to be you would forget to breathe. SO you must be playing dumb, not actually dumb..it’s pretty obvious. You’re not even pretending to consider any replies, just repeating your slogans like a freaking propagandist. And none of this is about JBH. It’s not even about JoJo since you are intentionally distorting her positions. Why not just come out as one of the “many fine people” with torches and swastikas? Fash trash. Nazi fuds f off.

  55. Wow, the trolls have been putting in a lot of time on this thread with their idiotic propaganda.

  56. Yes, I did attend the LP National Convention in Orlando this year, and there is a record of my having been there, plenty of other delegates who were there saw me, and I even made it onto the video camera for the event while there.

    There is NO LAW in Pennsylvania that says that people who were in Florida have to quarantine for two weeks upon returning to Pennsylvania. The PA Health Department put out an ADVISORY saying that people who come to PA who were recently in 15 states, which include Florida, California, Utah, Arizona, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, AMD a few others, ought to consider going into a quarantine for two weeks upon entering PA, but there is ZERO weight of law behind this, and few people, if anyone, is actually doing this. I did not even know about this ADVISORY until I was already in Florida, and when I looked up the COVID statistics for Florida, I found out that according to the government’s own numbers, only 1/10th of 1% of Floridians have been diagnosed with COVID, and only .00018% of Floridians had actually died from COVID, and many of those deaths were in nursing homes, and these statistics assume that the government is not inflating the statistics, and given that they have been caught inflating the statistics in other states, there is a good chance that the statistics in Florida are really even lower than this. The hotel in Orlando had hotel employees taking people’s temperature every day before they could enter, and I never had a fever, nor did I hear reports of anyone else having a fever. I feel fine now and have ZERO symptoms of being sick. Reality is that the odds of getting COVID are extremely small, and the odds of dying from it are even smaller.

  57. So many lies from Andy…who has time to unpack them all? Not me. People who know how to read and look things up already know you are full of crap. The only ones you might hope to fool are those to lazy, gullible or ignorant to even try.

  58. I looked up the supposed death count from COVID in Florida while I was there. According to the government, 3,888 people died from COVID in Florida. The latest US Census population estimate for Florida is 21,477,737, which means that according to the government, .00018% of the population of Florida died from COVID, and a large number of these people were already in nursing homes.

    Orlando, Florida is located in Orange County, Florida. According to the government’s numbers, 77 people in Orange County, FL died from COVID. Orange County, FL has a population of well over 1.3 million people.

    These statistics are so small that it is laughable that so many people were freaking out about having an in person convention in Orlando. I supported having the online option just to appease any delegates who are elderly, or who have pre-existing health problems, but reality is that even with those delegates, if they had come to Orlando, the odds of them getting COVID were small, and the odds of them dying from it were even smaller. The odds of anybotherwise healthy delegate even getting COVID, much less dying from it, were so tiny that worrying about it is laughable.

  59. It just started spiking. It grows exponentially. There are many more severe and prolonged illnesses than deaths. You are truly an idiot. And apparently not getting any more popular with your fellow delegates. It looks like you got 8 votes for at large. How many did you get in 2018?

  60. I got less votes this time because a) candidates for LNC At Large were PREVENTED from giving speeches, which is the first time I am ever aware of this happening at an LP convention (I ran for At Large at the last 2 National Conventions, and although I did not win, I received a lot more votes than I apparently got this time, and on both of those occasions, I was granted speaking time, and at both of those conventions I had multiple delegates, including several I did not know, who approached me and said they voted for me because they liked my speech; also, three weeks prior to the convention in Orlando, Region 5 held its vote for Region Rep, and Region Alternate, and I received 31% of the vote, and some delegates approached me later and said that I should have won, as they thought I presented the best ideas and the best track record for success); and b) I could have and should have gotten votes for At Large from the entire Mises Caucus, but I did not because when Heise compiled a list of 5 candidates to vote for for At Large, he did NOT KNOW that I was running, as by the time he found out that I was running, he had already sent out a group text message to everyone on the Mises Caucus list for the 5 candidates to vote for in the At Large race, and he said he would have taken somebody off and put me in if he had known that I was running, but he said that by that point it was too late, because it would have looked bad to change it.

    So those two factors cost me a lot of votes. I do not think I was likely to have won anyway, so I am more irritated that a majority of delegates voted to rob At Large candidates of speaking time than I am about the Mises Caucus endorsement SNAFU (they did endorse me for Region Rep though, but unfortunately, some of the Regions did not let delegates know about the Region vote happening online three weeks prior to the convention, until the last minute, so some delegates in this region missed that vote, and I have bern told that this had a more negative effect on my vote total than that of my opponents).

    To me going through the process of running, which is SUPPOSED TO INCLUDE being given speaking time, is as important as winning, so to me, robbing the candidates of speaking time taints the LNC At Large race, and the Judicial Committee race as well, for that matter.

  61. Do you have any video of your speeches from earlier conventions? I’d like to have it for my spank bank. Thank you.

  62. Andy… excuses are a dime a dozen, but you came in 28th of 28 people who were actually nominated with 8 votes, just above nota with 4 and write-ins. The next lowest is a “libertarian communist” with 19 and the winning 5 ranged from 368 down to 298.

  63. Yes, well no speaking time, and many of my supporters being with the Mises Caucus, and the Mises Caucus telling people to vote for 5 candidates, one of which was not me, because the person who sent out the text message with the 5 candidates did not know I was running, really hurt my vote totals.

    I know that I am better qualified to be on the LNC than most of the people who are on it.

    This is yet another example of why democracy is the god that fails.

  64. LOL Andy, Swings and Misses Caucus got Josh most of his votes 379 (just under 40%). You came in 28th of 28 with 8 votes, only NOTA and write ins under you. I guess they threw you under the bus. None of the 28 had speeches and most of them hardly anyone ever heard of. How did you come in 28th out of 28 and the only person nominated with single digits? The libertarian communist who was right above you at 27th of 28 had 19. And before your fellow fash trolls talk a whole bunch of crap about how the LP is all Republican lites and marxists now and how Jo and maybe JBH are marxists which is completely loonie and laughable ….please explain why the swings and misses caucus you say supported you couldn’t get you out of 28th place or into double digits when they had hundreds of people there.

    I guess Andy is too fashy even for the Swings and Misses caucus. He’ll have to start his own even more fashier caucus perhaps? The Alex Jones Caucus? The Molyneux Caucus? How about the Fash caucus. I think there is a Hoppe caucus already, not just as a more honest name for the “Mises” caucus but more honest about their fashiness. Getting so little love from the Swings and Misses frat boys must sting so Andy will need to work harder to be accepted by fashy incels or might could start his own Fashy Incel caucus.

    It can’t possibly be a good feeling being too fashy and for the garbage Loserbrigade.com (I am totally, serious, look it up. Spoiler alert: it’s a redirect to the “Mises” caucus donate page which is a 404 error right now, but then a web form for all your info pops up. they say they won’t spam you, but that is a lie. They totally spammed everyone both rounds).

    Here are some more ideas for andy

    Incel Caucus
    David Icke caucus
    Lizard Aliens are real caucus
    Defeat Elders of Zion Caucus
    Restore White America caucus
    Hoppe Caucus
    Cantwell Caucus
    Molyneux Caucus
    Fash Caucus
    Alex Jones Caucus
    Alt Right Caucus
    Augustus Invictus Caucus
    Nationalist Caucus

    That’s enough for now, anyone else have any good ideas on that?

  65. “) I could have and should have gotten votes for At Large from the entire Mises Caucus, but I did not because when Heise compiled a list of 5 candidates to vote for for At Large, he did NOT KNOW that I was running, as by the time he found out that I was running, he had already sent out a group text message to everyone on the Mises Caucus list for the 5 candidates to vote for in the At Large race, and he said he would have taken somebody off and put me in if he had known that I was running, but he said that by that point it was too late, because it would have looked bad to change it. ”

    Awwww and you believed him. That’s so adorable.

  66. Once again, the combination of not being able to speak, and of the person who sent out the text message for 5 people to vote for LNC At Large not knowing I was running, and therefore not including me in one of those slots (this person even admitted that I would have been better some of the 5 they put on the list), hurt my vote total.

    Also, given that electronic voting was used, who knows for sure how honest the results were. Hopefully there was no funny business, but we don’t know for sure.

    Regardless, you win some and you lose some. I was not expecting to win anyway, even if I had gotten to speak, and even if I had been on the Mises Caucus 5 candidates group text. I think I’d have received a lot more votes if one or both of those things had happened, but my guess is that it would not have been enough to put me over the top for victory.

    Often times in politics, the best candidates lose, sometimes badly. This is in fact the norm in politics. Look at Libertarian Party election results for evidence of this. Ron Paul ran for President three times, and he never won, but this does not erase him having been the best candidate in each of those races.

    If I were to run more seriously for an LNC seat, there’s a lot I would do beforehand to have a better chance at victory.

    I have been in the LP for a long time, and I have noticed that a lot of the party officer votes are not based on actual achievements, or even devotion to principles, but rather are based on name recognition, cronyism, and perception (sometimes the perceptions are false, but most delegates are not informed enough to know this, as in to know that some people are overrated).

    Frankly, Libertarians have a history of making bad political decisions, which is a big reason as to why the Libertarian Party is not more successful.

  67. I was able to vote easily using the online system during the convention, and they contacted each state delegation chair to check all of the numbers, so I believe the numbers are what they are.

  68. Maybe so. Who knows?

    I do think it was a really bad to have eliminated candidate speaking time.

    If it is OK to eliminate candidate speaking time for At Large races, then it should be OK in the future to eliminate speaking time for Chairman and Vice Chairman candidates, and for candidates for President and Vice President as well. Eliminating candidate speaking time would make conventions a lot shorter.

  69. LOL yeah andy, your 8 votes was a conspiracy for sure. I mean 8 votes seriously? You can get more than 8 votes just by walking around and asking people to vote for you and not being a complete douche canoe. Hell more people would probably vote for you even if you don’t ask if you are not that kid nobody wants there when you are partying with them outside of formal business. If you were not “running seriously” why waste everyone’s time and run at all? Just decline the nomination in that case, This was not your first run as you yourself said.

  70. Of course fake libertarian Brandon Lyon would say that. He’s probably trying to get them to run Jeb Bush in 2024.
    This party has been corrupt before, and it wouldn’t shock me if the voting was fixed. Sarwark is absolutely the type I could see doing that.

  71. Yeah. Andy jacobs probably had the most votes for chair. The dirty commies robbed him of his victory.

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