The Maine petition to get Jo Jorgensen on the ballot as the Libertarian nominee for president has enough signatures, according to the Secretary of State. This makes it moderately likely that she will be on the ballot in all 51 jurisdictions that have electoral votes. Thanks to Bill Redpath for this news.
So does this mean the validity was high enough for her to qualify for the ballot, or did they grant some kind of relief due to COVID scare?
I know they got some of their petition signatures at polling places on election day, so this would have increased their overall validity rate, so if they did not get any relief due to COVID, this could be what saved them.
No covid relief. 5084 signatures submitted to towns for 4000 valid required.
This is great news. Based on this, I think this list shows the progress from the July 1, 2020 map on the LP website:
States Officially on:
– Alaska
– Maine
– New Jersey
Petitioning complete, likely on, but waiting for official word:
– Maryland
– New Hampshire
– Pennsylvania
– Washington
– Wisconsin
Petitioning still underway, deadline not yet at hand:
– Alabama
– Iowa
– Minnesota
– Rhode Island
– Tennessee
– Virginia
Accurate?
Yes
The election where they got signatures at polling places was a primary election.
Great.
Congratulations to my favorite Presidential candidate, Jo Jorgensen!
Unfortunately it rained on election day and due to covid rules petitioners were not allowed indoors at polling places which Maine, entirely or almost uniquely, usually allows. So, the election day effort was below expectations and hopes, creating a mad scramble in the end. The silver lining is that in that mad scramble to gather last minute signatures, gather more signatures from petition volunteers and subcontractors, and deliver them to hundreds of towns, the L.P. Internal count was low. It was initially reported that about 4200 to 4400 signatures were delivered to towns which would have made it unlikely that 4000 or more would be certified as valid by town clerks. As they were picked back up from towns however the revised count was 5084 raw and 4129 valid.
Bill Redpath. Longtime party official loser.
He has known about PLAS for a decade-at least.
Libertarian losers.
What is going on?
Spies, saboteurs?
Bought off? Extorted?
Incompetent?
Fear of revolution?
Willful ignorance?
Israel/Zionist lovers/lackeys?
WTF is going on?
Green party also.
The argument could be made that the GP and Lp are the same party with a left and right leaning part.
Just like the dems and reps one party.
Who are these people?
I do not trust them as far as I can spit.
@chris so is she on the Maine ballot or not?
This is good news. Jorgensen should prioritize Maine because it is a swing state with both ranked choice and district voting.
PLAS has languished for a decade on a dedicated thread in IPR.
EVERYBODY who has anything to do with IPR knows about this.
PLAS is no secret.
Anybody with a brain can check it out.
Is that it? Everybody is a brainless zombie?
Walter,
forget it.
2020 was lost long ago.
You do not need RCV with PLAS/Top Six.
There are no swing or purple or battleground states with PLAS.
Every vote would matter.
LOL! All votes matter!
Jo bit by a bat?
What is that about?
Was she looking for votes in Carlsbad Cavern?
Sounds like more germ warfare to me.
Rabies, ADEM, Covid, fungus.
What is next?
Alex. Probably. Passed the town and state reviews as good. I think there’s still a challenge period, but this puts the burden of proof more on the challengers if they challenge, and means she is automatically on if they don’t. At least as I understand it but someone can correct if I am wrong.
Does anyone understand what Robert is talking about? Because I sure don’t.
Andy,
Chris sounds like paulie to me.
You?
Wait Andy.
Crafty canuck is paulie now?
LOL!
Wa State just certified Jo Jorgensen will be in the ballot in November. Please update the list.
Who is paulie next,
Zany Zambian?
Lose, Lose, Lose,
Everybody lose!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha!
Ryan,
Update the list of states Jo and Howie are going to lose.
Chris may actually be one of the people who worked on the LP petition in Maine.
It sounds like as a group, the people who worked on the LP petition drive in Maine this year did a good job. Kudos to them.
Glory Hallelujah! This is great news!! Many, many thanks to Bill Redpath and all those who worked in Maine!
I’m not the same Chris but I know who he is. I’m not whoever Robert seems to think I am. I’m a Maine voter and L.P. Member currently spending most of my time overseas but still own several properties in the USA with most in or near Maine and visit for varying lengths of time usually a small handful of times a year. For the last couple of decades most of my time has been spent in Canada and Jamaica. I did help circulate L.P. Petitions in Maine when I lived there more full time. I believe the last time I did was in the early to mid 1990s.
Tennessee L.P. Reports about 500 raw in hand. They have prevalidated the first 300 or so and found over 200 valid. For some unfathomable reason their plan as of Saturday was to turn in only the 300 or so they already prechecked today and hold off on turning in the other 200 or so until done with internal check. This plan seems strange, since it can be easily projected that they have well over 275 valid so prechecking every single one and having two separate turnins seems like overkill. At least a couple of the USA national consultants were unclear whether more than one turnin is even allowed in Tennessee.
Pompous jerk Redpath is still around? He’s one of the reasons the LP has been in decline. Supporting a Marxist like Jorgensen doesn’t help.
It will be especially interesting to see if Jorgensen voters cast 2nd place votes, and for whom, AND, also if there are a lot of second place votes for Jorgensen from other voters.
I doubt it’s still the same L.P. Crew nut they had some great leadership in Maine back when I paid more attention to who was who and who was doing what in the state party there. I think most Of the more recent efforts for ballot access there have been primarily driven by the national party, presidential campaigns, and paid petition gathering outfits with most of the money and probably many of the signature gatherers coming from out of state. That didn’t use to be the case with the Maine L.P. Of the 1980s and 1990s.
Ed has it exactly backwards. Bill redpath is one of the main reasons a lot more states didn’t fail to achieve ballot access over the years. I wasn’t as impressed with his two terms as national chair, but let’s just say the problem then was definitely not leaning too left. Nor is it now. The moronic continued insistence that Jorgensen is a marxist or anything close to one has to be one of the dumbest and most transparent pieces of alt right propaganda to date. Goebbels would be proud.
LP in decline? What standards are you using?
Jorgensen supports BLM, a proven Marxist organization. An organization that promotes looting and burning down buildings.
If Redpath is so great, why has membership been so far down over the years? Why has the party rarely been on the ballot in every state? Obviously he isn’t as great as you think he is.
Membership is way up this year and still climbing. Redpath has very little to do with party club subscription. Membership of registered voters, pledgers, life members, free members, and many other more salient measures has risen, not fallen.
The nonsense you keep repeating about Jorgensen and blm is not worth addressing yet again. Anyone can look for themselves on the Jorgensen issues page, read her published views and press releases and interviews etc etc and easily see she is not anywhere close to a marxist. The fact that you keep repeating this easily disproved lie, after it has been disproved repeatedly many times and explained to you past ad nauseam, speaks to your own character as a marxist regime style propagandist for the red trump maggot commie fash of the alt right.
Didn’t she march with BLM? Didn’t she openly support the group? Unless she has changed her mind recently, that makes her a Marxist. Have you even been to their website and read what they are actually about? Have you ever seen the video from the founder?
Do you really believe her in interviews? Politicians do lie, you know.
It’s up from when… the Bob Barr years? That’s not saying much. How many are actual libertarians?
I am not voting for Trump, BTW. I want a real libertarian, and Jorgensen isn’t it.
Ed, there is no such organization as Black Lives Matter. It’s a movement, not a group with officers, a bank account, a headquarters, etc.
If you could put yourself in the shoes of a black person, and you had experience, you would understand why all people of good will can support Black Lives Matter. I was once told by a policeman, who was giving me a traffic ticket, that because of something innocuous that happened, he might have shot me.
Alex- YES, she is officially going to be on the ballot in Maine- if the petition has enough valid signatures, it means she’ll be officially on.
Maggot? Just say what you really want to you homophobic bitch.
Richard, yes there is. Have you seen the video of the founder spouting Marxism? It’s a real organization with a real website and a real platform of Marxism. Are you a Marxist too?
How do you know I am not black? How do you know I have never had an experience with the police? Get the facts before judging me. I provided facts on Jorgensen and BLM.
Ed, you are unhinged.
Yeah, ed is past unhinged. This has been explained too many times do clearly he is intentionally trolling with lying propaganda. But we will go over this one last time, which won’t keep ed from repeating those same lies a few thousand more times like he never saw this or all the other times it was explained to him.
There actually are quite a few organizations called black lives matter , some national and some local, some with completely different names but parts of the same movement. Most of the movement is not part of any of these organizations. These organizations have different political leanings, some Marxist, some mainstream liberal/progressive, some like the broader movement a coalition of all kinds of different povs on other issues including libertarians.
Most protesters gave zero affiliation with any such organizations which leech off the blm movement and make claims about leading it, starting it etc. Most of the protests by far have been peaceful and most protesters are not Marxists. Jorgensen for her part has repeatedly clarified what should have been obvious to anyone with more than one brain cell firing. She does not approve of any of the Marxism or violence within the movement. She is there for the purpose most libertarians share of supporting criminal justice reform, police demilitarization, curbing police violence and systemic racism.
A few paleofascists of the alt right variety who keep for some reason insisting they are libertarians, and the only true ones at that, keep repeating eds propaganda line above like a cult like mantra ignoring all logic, arguments and evidence to chant it like the north Korean army on a death march to Jonestown.
Ed is not voting for Jorgensen or trump but a “true” libertarian? Who would that be? Blankenship? Augustus invictus? Chris can’twell the crying Nazi? Does ed maintain an altar with hundreds of Ron Paul prayer candles in his basement? Hoppe? Molyneux? Tom woods? Dave smith? Deist? Gary north? Alex Jones?
Ed, lol. Maggots are maga spewing parasites feeding off the rotting myth of lost national greatness. The red commie maga hats are infused with brain eating maggot larva at Chinese factories causing a mass hysteria and delusion among magats aka maggots.
You accuse Richard of assuming you are not black. What do you assume I am? Your attempt to paint me as homophobic is undercut by you calling me a bitch, probably while presuming I’m a cis male who you probably also think identifies as straight. Some of those assumptions are correct and some are not correct. In any case I’m far from homophobic.
Maggots are magots and they feed off decaying flesh. Fagots are burning sticks, and a vile homophobic slur referring to lgbt folks being burned at the stake. Maggots are not a reference to the latter, are not primarily lgbt or particularly lgbt friendly, and I’m not even remotely advocating burning them alive in the town square.
Cody, others there could still be a challenge if I’m not mistaken. See above.
“a vile homophobic slur referring to lgbt folks being burned at the stake.”
Not true.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(slang)
“There is an urban legend, called an ‘oft-reprinted assertion’ by Douglas Harper, that the modern slang meaning developed from the standard meaning of faggot as ‘bundle of sticks for burning’ with regard to burning at the stake. This is unsubstantiated; the emergence of the slang term in 20th-century American English is unrelated to historical death penalties for homosexuality.”
Quite astounding how much illogical and complete counterlibertarian easily disproved nonsense is spewed constantly from the paleo alt right open sewer of lies, distortions and bigoted bootlicking.big lies combined with constant repetition. Where have we seen that before?
You are the liar and you’ve been exposed above as a liar with your incorrect statement about words.
If your source is correct, it’s an argument I have never heard before and haven’t looked into. You, on the other hand, are a proven intentional repeat liar on a mass scale as both demonstrated and explained above.
Ed could be a talking horse, but he isn’t nearly as smart. The fuller compilation of lp growth by various different measures show the lp growing to unprecedented levels by most of them in recent years. Like everything else ed spews he is engaged in repeated deliberate distortion.
Growing from what! The Bob Barr years? That isn’t really an accomplishment. It’s still down from Harry Browne. Of course, no one will clarify the true numbers.
I think you have me confused with another poster. I have never said a thing about homosexuality or any terms. Believe what you want though.
BLM is Marxist. Again, look at the founder. Again, go to their website. Look at the demands of the protesters when they do meet with city leaders- free stuff from the taxpayers. That has nothing to do with racism. Look at Portland burning- that’s from BLM. Not very peaceful is it?
I don’t know who I will vote for. I may skip the presidential section of the ballot.
Maine has no administrative procedure for a petition challenge for a candidate. If anyone thinks the Secretary of State erroneously put someone on the ballot, that person must sue the Secretary of State.
Many measures are up from Browne years or any other years. Examples include voter registration numbers, life members, free/ signature pledged members, average votes per candidate and vote for presidential ticket among others. The paid national member anomaly during the Browne era was a fluke of a paid list mining program and combined state and national membership, later done away with. McCain Feingold bcra restricted much of what was done then from being done now yet the party has grown much bigger in many ways that are more important than the club membership numbers that you keep claiming is the only or at least most important measure of party strength. But like your repeated nonsense about blm you keep ignoring the many times we went over this before.
The true numbers are quite clear. Jim has a whole set of charts of the different measures. New record highs in many of them. But not all.
The founders, the web site…you ignore the difference between the much larger movement and one of many much smaller organisations which happens to be the one that snagged the blm name for a nationwide group. It’s like saying the tea party today is controlled by the L.P. Of Chicago. But we went over that previously too. Of course it does not matter since you’ll keep repeating yourself anyway as if these conversations never happened.
Most protesters don’t meet with city leaders. I don’t know why you think all protesters who did, probably representing these same small organized groups, all had the same demands in every city?
Portland burning is an insane exaggeration. The vast majority of Portland is just fine just as the vast majority of protesters had nothing to do with any burning. You keep repeating the same tired talking points and ignoring all responses like a good little wind up toy propagandist.
Richard good point but nevertheless it could still happen.
The number of Active Members at the end of July stood at 19,639. During the Johnson campaign (actually January 2017) Active Membership peaked at 18,908. As explained above, membership numbers today are not comparable to years under the Unified Membership Plan (1995-2005), which included the Browne campaign years. But, outside of the Unified Membership Plan years, the LP right now has the highest ever number of Active Members.
I have monthly Signature Member data going back to mid 2005, which is 180 months. In those 180 months, the LP has had only 8 months of 1,000+ Signature Member growth. Three of those eight months have come in 2020 (April, June, and July.)
Registered voters are roughly 590,000 now (and will likely exceed 600,000 by election day) vs 225,000 in Oct/Nov 2000. The percent of L affiliated voters in states that register by party has just over doubled in that time.
The percent of voters in the US who can easily be proven to have voted for a Libertarian candidate was 4.00% in 2018 vs 3.49% in 2000. 2018 was a down year. It was 5.34% in 2016.
I can give really detailed analysis on election results. For example, in the 2000-2001 period, L candidates for state legislature with only a single opponent averaged 15.62%. In the 2018-2019 period, they averaged 19.17%.
The one area where 2000 clearly outshines today is in the number of candidates fielded and, by extension, the number of candidates elected. And that gap is substantial, but it appears to be narrowing. By my count, 2018 had the 3rd highest number of Libertarian candidates, after 2002 and 2000.
Thanks Jim. Do you also have the link to your charts handy? I could probably find it but would take some digging.
On a side note, I have 207 monthly data points where both the monthly Total Donors and Active Members are known. That’s more than 17 years of data.
Total Donors during that time averaged 6.78% greater than Active Members. The maximum gap was 13.41% in February 2006, and there was another peak in late 2016/early 2017 where the Total Donors regularly exceeded Active Members by 10%. Those are the “not real libertarians” donating to the party that Andy complains about.
But, since late 2017, that ratio has been sub 4%, and hit a known all time low of just 2.45% in May 2020.
Given that Active Membership is at an all time high and the ratio of Active Members to Total Donors is at an all time low, that means somebody is doing a heck of a job getting donors to sign the pledge and join the party.
Charts are here:
https://imgur.com/a/YsovX
How many statist control freak laws repealed due to the LP since 1970 ???
How many freedom laws [pursuant to the LP Platforms] added due to the LP since 1970 ???
Are politics in a democracy downstream from culture? If that’s the case then, at least on some fronts, libertarians may have been influential. But, I don’t think anyone keeps a comprehensive list.
The military draft has ended and self-identified libertarian Milton Friedman claimed a key role in making that happen.
The drug war, at least on marijuana, is winding down and libertarians had a hand in that.
Restrictions on gun carry permits have been relaxed across the country and libertarians helped craft those arguments.
Abortion and gay marriage are now legal everywhere, but that was due to the Supreme Court.
Taxes as a percentage of GDP are down a few points from 2000 and Democrats like to attribute that modest decline to libertarians, and maybe Grover Norquist is one? Norquist might be most responsible for forcing Republicans to hold the line on taxes and he did once say that he wanted a government small enough that it could be drowned in a bathtub.
There weren’t as many people living in this country in Harry Browne’s time, yet numbers were still up. They must have been doing something right then, or at least better than now,
Have you read any news articles about the protesters meeting with city leaders? I have. Do some research and read their demands. Free stuff (Marxism) is a major part of it.
Have you ever been to Portland? I have. It was a mess even before the rioters.
Is Jorgensen in favor of the graduated income tax?
@ Demo Rep;
While the Libertarian Party cannot take credit for a more libertarian society, ideas which the libertarians promoted early on have gained greater acceptance: airline deregulation, legalizing professional advertising, more liberal trade and immigration, tax caps, legalization of marijuana for medical and even recreational purposes, repeal of pernicious laws against homosexuals.
As Leonard Liggio once said: “I am a libertarian optimist; the world will become libertarian in spite of libertarians”
And, as the joke goes:
Q: How many libertarians does it take to change a light bulb?
A: None. The free market will take care of it.
I for one would like to know more about the circumstances of the bat bite.
The bat bit is the source of Jorgensen’s super powers.
She’s a Marxist, so she probably supports an extremely high income tax on all, especially “the rich”.
Really? Can anyone show me where Jorgensen spoke or write in favor of taxing the rich heavily?
Isn’t that what Marxists support? She has come out as one by supporting the Marxist BLM.
@ Ed: You have made your assumption as your conclusion without any evidence. Since you assume that Jorgensen is a Marxist, she must believe in taxing wealth highly. You have supplied no evidence for that.
She supports BLM, a proven Marxist organization supporting rioting and looting. There’s proof right there.
“There weren’t as many people living in this country in Harry Browne’s time, yet numbers were still up. They must have been doing something right then, or at least better than now,”
Nice excuse… Errr, ‘Logic Gymnastics’
If Jorgensen is marxist, then I’m the King of England. :3
@ Ed:
Jorgensen’s, or anyone else’s, support of Black Lives Matter does not in any way prove that they are Marxist. You are still trying to force a conclusion from a premise without any evidence. Now, if you could show me where or when Jorgensen ever said that great wealth or high income should be heavily taxed, then that would give me pause to consider that you might have a point.
Her website has no specifics on taxes themselves. Nothing about eliminating the income tax, which most libertarians support. That could be a sign she is hiding her true Marxist feelings and wants high taxes on all.
My point about membership being higher during the Harry Browne era actually helps my argument because there weren’t as many people in the country. Membership is lower now even with more people living here. You would think membership would be higher simply due to more people existing, but not the LP!
NO change in 2018 LP Platform in 2020 convention.
near BOTTOM (when should be at top]
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3.6 Representative Government [spacing added]
We support election systems that are more representative of the electorate at the federal, state and local levels.
As private voluntary groups, political parties should be free to establish their own rules for nomination procedures, primaries and conventions.
We call for an end to any tax-financed subsidies to candidates or parties and the repeal of all laws which restrict voluntary financing of election campaigns.
We oppose laws that effectively exclude alternative candidates and parties, deny ballot access, gerrymander districts, or deny the voters their right to consider all legitimate alternatives.
We advocate initiative, referendum, recall and repeal when used as popular checks on government.
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ALL the LP specific subject complaints are directly due to the ANTI-Democracy minority rule gerrymander systems in the USA and States since 1776 and partisan hack execs/judics.
PR and AppV – pending Condorcet
TOTSOP