On February 17, the North Dakota Senate passed SB 2271 by 43-3, making it illegal for any government employee or contractor to release any presidential general election returns before the Electoral College meets in mid-December. Government could release the percentage of the vote received by any presidential candidate, but not the vote total. The bill only takes effect once the National Popular Vote Plan goes into effect. Here is the text.
The purpose of the bill is to sabotage the National Popular Vote plan. The bill is receiving strong opposition from editorials. So far it has not made any headway in the House.
Here is an interesting op-ed by a Senator who voted for the bill but who now regrets her vote. Here is an op-ed in the Jamestown Sun against the bill.
A smarter way to challenge the NPV is to adopt ranked choice voting. It goes right to the chief flaw of the NPV: continued use of plurality voting.
I don’t agree that ranked choice voting hurts the national popular vote plan. The state could simply say that the first-choice votes count for purposes of the NPV tally.
If enough states pass NPV, its theoretically possible for someone to carry the national plurality votes on the first pass, but not the final total transferred votes.
NOOO power to challenge PreZ votes in court until it is too late ???
=== GERRYMANDER HACK TYRANTS AT WORK.
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NPV SCHEME — JUNIOR HIGH SCHEME TO SUBVERT 14-1 AMDT EP Cl —
have votes OUTSIDE a State subvert results INSIDE such State.
More of the degenerate ROT to make the USA into a tyrant Prez monarchy —
see olde Lenin – Mussolini – Hirohito – Stalin – Hitler – Franco – Mao – etc monarch KILLER/TYRANT regimes.
Also —
NOOOO definition of voter in the NPV scheme-
RED COMMIE States S-U-R-E to have under age 18 USA voters and foreign commie voters voting for USA Prez/VP.
Better yet, states could adopt approval voting to challenge NPV. If even one big swing state, like PA or MI, were to adopt approval voting, that would mean that all approval votes would have to be counted toward the NPV, or no votes at all from those states, because there is only one round of voting.
Instant Runoff Voting is better than Approval Voting.
ND still has terrible ballot access laws for state legislature. I tried to get it changed, but I have not gotten too much interest from ND voters.
I agree with Andy. IRV lets a voter communicate far more information about his or her feelings than approval voting does.
Maybe IRV is better than approval voting, but the question here is, which is harder for NPV to work with?
The article relates to a method that a state is considering to thwart the implementation of NPV. IMO, there are better ways to do that than by hiding vote totals. A state can choose a voting method in which the results don’t have any easy compatibility to votes in other states. While PCV or IRV can provide some confusion when the final results differ from the first round, IMO approval or even range voting in just a few states would invariably provide results that would not be easy to integrate into a national plurality vote total.
Another method of voting that would present a problem for NPV would be cumulative voting. The way this could work in a state is that every voter gets a number of votes for President equal to the number of Presidential electors in that state. Every voter could cast those votes any way they please, either giving all of them to one candidate, or splitting them up among several candidates. All of the votes would then be counted, and the electors awarded proportionally to each candidate in accordance with the percentage of the total cumulative votes that each of them received.
TEXT of NPV scheme says —- ???
Demo Rep is all over the map on this. On the one hand he says each state is a sovereign nation state, on the other he says get rid of the electoral college and senate and calls them “gerrymanders “…on the third he says npv violates the constitution somehow, which it does not. The constitution says state legislatures can appoint electors on any basis they want, so logically the federal government can’t interfere if the basis that they choose to base it on is the npv.
If demo rep is correct about getting rid of the electoral college he ought to be for npv, since it’s extremely less likely that a constitutional amendment to get rid of the ec will pass any time soon. On the other hand if he’s serious about his claims regarding state sovereignty it makes no sense that he would want to get rid of the Senate and ec. It’s just not a logically coherent set of beliefs regardless of which side you take.
North Dakota should adopt a variant of the Tennessee Plan.
At a non-partisan primary in June delegates would be elected to legislative district primaries in August. Those conventions would elect delegates to a state convention to be held in November which would appoint the electors.
Charles –
Only 1 or 2 of the rot list items show up in all/most RW postings.
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ALL remedies —
1. ONE election Day — ALL MAIL BALLOTS.
2. EQUAL nom pets – INDIVIDUAL candidates.
3. EQUAL / uniform elector-voter in ALL of USA – USA Citizen, 18 + yrs olde.
— Register by 28 days before Election Days.
4. PR – legis
5. NONPARTISAN APPV – exec/judic
6. TOTSOP
7. End perversions of 1-8-1 and 1-8-3 via SCOTUS === restore States.
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4 — Esp NOOO ANTI-Democracy gerrymander systems in ANY regime – esp in USA regime
= NOOO Senate + NOOO EC — PR IN H REPS [NEW CONGRESS]
CONDORCET FOR 4 AND 5 AFTER EDUCATION.
COPY AND PASTE NEAR COMPU SCREENS.
Most people reading this probably won’t understand you because they aren’t the people who comment frequently or at all, nor do they read the comments on most posts here. At least that’s the case with most websites. A much larger number of people just read the comments on one post that they found from a link somewhere else, or a small number of posts, or every once in a while. Therefore you miss most of your audience by using abbreviations they do not understand. That’s ok though, it’s your choice.
Your point about all mail ballots is another contradiction. Directly above you imply that ballots often get lost in the mail, which would tend to give the impression that you want all in person voting. Now you say you want all mail ballots. In other comments I’ve seen you say that judges or legislatures were trying to sicken and kill people from getting infected while voting in person if they ruled/legislated against changing the rules to allow more early / absentee / mail votes, but if their decision went the other way, you call them lawless tyrants.
You say restore states, but elsewhere you say get rid of the Senate and ec. How do those positions reconcile with each other?
Correction, on the very same comment, you say get rid of “gerrymander” Senate and ec, and you also say restore States. Those two statements directly contradict each other.
Your statement “copy and paste near compu(ter) screens” is very odd. Are you under the impression that a large percentage of adults (or for that matter kids) who have homes and jobs regularly access the internet from public computers, care about these issues, or understand your abbreviations? Or are you trying to spam homeless people and kids playing video games in public libraries with your cryptic manifesto? Do you think that’s a plausible way to change public policy?
I wouldn’t waste time arguing about abolishing the US Senate. It would require the unanimous consent of every state, a practical impossibility.
A more useful project, IMO, would be to divide more populous states into new states. At a minimum, I would divide any state that had more than 5% of the total U population. This would split at least 4 states: CA into 3 or 4 states, TX into 3 or 4 states, FL into 2 or 3 states, and NY into 2 or 3 states. Given that CA and NY are generally “blue”, and TX and FL are generally “red”, this should maintain a close partisan balance in the Senate.
NOW –
USA AND ALL STATES SINCE 1776/1789 —
EVIL AND VICIOUS ANTI-DEMOCRACY MINORITY RULE GERRYMANDER REGIMES —–
1/2 OR LESS VOTES X 1/2 GERRYMANDER AREAS = 1/4 OR LESS CONTROL = OLIGARCHY — WITH MONARCHS IN REAL CONTROL —
LEGIS BODIES – SPEAKERS / MAJORITY LEADERS — REST = ROBOT HACKS VOTING THE PARTY LINE.
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S-O-M-E GERRYMANDER SYSTEM RESULTS – GENOCIDE OF AMERICAN INDIANS TO 1890, SLAVERY TO 1865 [ENDED WITH 750,000 DEAD], PAPER MONEY — DESTRUCTION OF PAPER SAVINGS OF LOWER/MIDDLE CLASSES. INSANE ANNUAL DEFICITS AND DEBTS SINCE 1929, DESTRUCTION OF OLDER CITIES, URBAN SPRAWL, MULTI- UN-DECLARED WARS BY KILLER PREZS, ETC ETC ETC.
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PR AND APPV
TOTSOP
OTHER REMEDIES ABOVE
VERY LIMITED TIME FOR BRAINWASHED NEWBEES IN GOVT CIVICS CLASSES
— TOTAL CRISIS IS N-O-W.
6 JAN 2021 = A MERE SYMPTOM OF THE TOTAL ROT.
https://electionlawblog.org/?p=121085
2020 MAIL BALLOTS STUDY
HOW MUCH CHECKING THAT EACH VOTER IS A USA CITIZEN ??? — IN PERSON OR MAIL BALLOTS.
BIRTH CERTIFICATES GENERALLY DO N-O-T SHOW THE NATION-STATE STATUS OF THE ALLEGED FATHER OF EACH NEW KID.
Touche. However, other states can just retaliate by logging North Dakota as casting 0 popular votes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
Hours of torture with zillion links.
6 of 9 Elephants on SCOTUS OK for NPV scheme ???
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/11/us/michigan-old-postcard-delivered-trnd/index.html
Snail mail —
better late than never ???
Walter – if you want to thwart NPV you could take Instant Runoff / Ranked Choice all the way until there is just one candidate, and then report the result as unanimous.