Proponents of a top-five system have filed paperwork in Nevada to circulate an initiative. The idea robs political parties of their ability to nominate candidates, which is the core reason for existence of a political party around the world. It limits the general election to the five candidates who polled the most votes in the primary. The primary would not use ranked choice voting, but the general election would. See this story.
If the initiative passed, it would be much more difficult for a party to remain ballot-qualified. Currently Nevada has a lenient vote test for a party to remain on the ballot: it must poll 1% (of the statewide US House vote) for any of its nominees. But because parties would no longer have nominees (except for president), this method would no longer exist. Instead, parties could only remain qualified by having registration of 1% of the state total. Currently the Nevada Libertarian Party’s registration is only .947%. Top-five proponents have repeatedly written initiatives that make it more difficult for parties to remain qualified. They don’t seem to notice that they could write their proposals to avoid this problem.
The measure will be funded by a group of very wealthy individuals under the leadership of Katherine Gehl of Wisconsin. Thanks to Fairvote for the link.
Top 5 is better than Top Two, but I still do not like it.
If the Libertarian Party’s voter registration is currently at .947% it would not be that hard to push it up to 1% or higher, but this is still a bad change to the present law.
ANOTHER PURGE LIST! EVERYTHING IS A PURGE LIST! I JUST SHIT MYSELF!
The solution is to eliminate party qualification. Let all candidates run as individuals.
Use a modified trials system like that used in early American elections particularly in New England. A candidate with a majority is elected. If no candidate receives a majority then another trial is conducted.
Eliminate candidates below a threshold and hold a new election. Repeat as necessary.
Individual citizens would be free to organize to support candidates.
I don’t understand why Richard Winger so favors a system that makes the Democratic and Republican parties quasi-official agencies of the state.
Maine should eliminate party qualification and party primaries. Use RCV primaries to choose the candidates for the general election.
Richard Winger is a c0mmunist, that’s why. He’s even banned used the word c0mmunist. Anything that favors the Democrats (c0mmunists) he supports.
NOOO primaries.
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ONE election day
Equal nom pets. – 1 voter forms.
PR and APPV – pending Condorcet with AppV tiebreaker.
TOTSOP
Still eating pets? What the fuck is wrong with you? Get mental help you fucking retard.
When minor parties are qualified, then they can place their presidential nominee on the general election ballot with no petition. And in states with partisan registration, they are typically then listed as a choice on the voter registration form. Also in states with state income tax forms that let taxpayers send a small donation to the political party of their choice, if a party is qualified it will be listed on the state income tax form.
The big problem with an open primary is that a party’s label becomes public property, and anyone can use it on a ballot. At the very least, with an open primary no candidate should be able to use a party label or designation without the party’s permission.
Only troll MORONS of 10 or less IQ can not detect that —-
nom pets. = nominating petitions
Bullshit. It’s obscure jargon that very few people would recognize. Maybe you think everyone reading these comments is here constantly or in your profession or something? I’ve been here a few weeks now and had no idea that was what it meant. I just did not care enough to ask.
Only troll MORONS of 10 or less IQ can not ask questions.
Only troll morons with negative IQ don’t make themselves easily understood to begin with and think most people would bother to ask them questions. People are busy and have other things to do. If you post a bunch of jargon and gobbledygook the vast majority of people will just scroll past whatever it is you are trying to say. It’s your job to make your comments easy to read, not that of whoever reads them. No one owes you anything, not even the time to read your comment, much less ask you questions. You’d have to be a total imbecile to need to have that explained to you.
You know how every group has that @$$hole? Demo Rep is our @$$hole.
Demo Rep has no life. All he does is hit refresh, post inane comments, and shit himself.
You do the same thing Mark AKA Will Klatt.
This would be a much more pleasant site without the trolls and stupid comments.
Demo Rep does post inane comments and he is here frequently, but I doubt he shits himself. He’s not Joe Biden.
As bad as Demo Rep is, the trolls here are even worse.
Are there any sane posters that actually discuss issues? All I see is retarded troll shit. Jim Riley might be the only good poster in this thread.
I believe Stock is also doing some of the trolling.
Stock lost his internet privileges after clicking on a penile enlargement scam link that downloaded a virus onto the entire hotel internet system.
Andy aka Egyptian God, Fact Checker, Deemo Reep and many other names is doing most of the trolling. Including many of the posts he then turns around and attributes to other people.
JR wrote:
“Use RCV primaries to choose the candidates for the general election.”
IMO, approval voting should be used in primaries. Determine which candidates have the broadest support, ans those who obtained a certain minimum number of votes would then proceed to the final election.
Then, in the final election, use ranked choice voting to determine 1) if there is a Condorcet winner, or 2) if no Condorcet winner, which candidate has the greatest support, after transfers.
I admit it, it was me all along. I just want attention.
Approval voting in the Presidential primaries would be an enormous improvement, especially when there is a large field of candidates. Then, voters who might favor several of the candidates could vote for each of them. And then the delegates from each state could be apportioned by the approval votes for each candidate.
What does that have to do with giving attention to me?
Maybe BAN should have approval voting for comment posters.
I have NEVER posted as “Egyptian God” and my last name is NOT Stitzer.
So what? Mine is.
All your attentions are belongs to me.
OK, well I don’t know you. You must be new here.
I don’t know you either. So what?
NOOO attention for 5 or less IQ troll morons –
esp the same troll writing to itself
claiming to be another troll.
There’s only one troll, me. Thank you for paying attention.
@RW,
Pretty weak argument for having a state income tax.
Presidential candidates should be conducted in the same way as any other election. John Anderson, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Jo Jorgensen, Howie Hawkins, Woodrow Wilson, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Eugene Debs, et al petition to get on the ballot.
Why should the government maintain records of the political activities/beliefs of its citizens?
@WZ,
It does not appear to be a problem in places such as Washington, Minneapolis, Texas, Louisiana, and California that political parties don’t control use of the party name on ballots.
@WZ,
That comment was specific to Maine. It is inane that Maine uses RCV for partisan primsries and then uses that as an excuse to keep other parties off the ballot.
My change would not require a change to the constitution.
Not a problem? I don’t agree.
Andy Gonzalez and Andy Stitzer on the same thread. It is good to see you guys meeting up for the first time.
How would you know whether they “met” before or not? Maybe because they are all characters in your head?
LP-Nevada reached and maintained 1% voter registration when it was run by libertarians, but then the party was taken over by the Mises Caucus.
Mises are real libertarians, not phonies like Tim Hagan.
Mises Caucus isn’t even gonna run Libertarians against the GOP in any close race. Which is why Republicans send people to help them stuff state conventions.
Very misleading statements by 234.
People in the Mises Caucus said they would not run candidates against a Republican IF the Republican was a liberty Republican who could pass a pretty strong litmus test, like Rand Paul or Tom Massie. Many Libertarians over the years have said and done the same thing.
Now as for former Republicans entering the LP, this is nothing new. Many former Republicans have entered the LP over the years. Funny that most of those complaining about the Mises Caucus had no problem with Gary Johnson and Bill Weld coming in from the Republican Party. Not everyone in the Mises Caucus came from the Republican Party anyway, and even out of those who did, they were Ron Paul like liberty Republicans.
Now as far as voter registration numbers go, those go up and down, and a lot of what percentage the LP is at has to do with other factors. The Democrats and Republicans spent lots of money conducting voter registration and get out the vote drives in 2020 for the presidential election. This spike in their registration totals would have made the LP’s percentage drop. This had NOTHING to do with the Mises Caucus. LP dues paying membership has been going up, and most of this growth is because of the Mises Caucus. The LP of Nevada is not that far off from being at 1% of the registered voters now anyway, so if tgis were to become a problem, it would not be overly difficult for them to get back to 1% of the registered voters or higher, and note that for most of the LP of Nevada’s history, they were under 1% of the voter registrations number.
“Andy Stitzer”, “Andy Gonzalez”, and “Andy Candy”, are probably all the same troll, who is not me.
Is 234 Robert K Stock?
“234” is УБ-д төрсөн нэгэн залуу or “A young man born in Ulaanbaatar.”
He is probably connected to the cyberpig’s troll network.
Mises has been the best thing for the LP in a long long time.
Oh heck yeah. The LP Mises Caucus has been the best thing to happen to the Libertarian Party in many years.
“Egyptian God,” how do you know that “234” is a young make born in Ulaanbaatar?
Right click on the icon and select “open image in new tab” and then in the url remove “avatar/” and press enter and it’ll give you his information.
Saturday Night Movie:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cMhM-8D-Q1o
Check it out!
Milnes needs to be committed to the looney bin.
Oh yeah, “Wang Tang Fu” was another of Paul’s characters at IPR.
Remember Stalag 17.
NOT Slaughter-House Five.
William Holden and the Americans (POWs) were getting beat.
He even took a beat down-from his fellow Americans!
Until he figured out what was going on.
He told them.
They got it.
So, when are we going to Defeat the Duopoly with PLAS?
Begin the End of Israel. Bowers?
Palestinians, sorry it took so long!
Democrats and Republicans-GO TO JAIL!
Do Not Pass Go.
Do Not Collect $200.00.
Bush-9/11 was on his Watch.
Oily Bomber.
Trump!
Jail for the Putin Wanna Be!
Milnes posts even more jibberish than Demo Rep. Why does this page attract so many crazy retards?
It attracts a lot of trolls too.
I’m not a troll. I don’t know Andy Stitzer, Andy Candy, or Andy No Last Name.
I suspect those three are all the same troll though.
I’m not a troll, but I believe you are.