On March 8, U.S. District Court Judge Mark R. Hornak, an Obama appointee, permanently enjoined Allegheny County from invalidating local initiatives on the basis that the petitions were gathered by someone from outside Pennsylvania. OpenPittsburgh.org v Voye, w.d., 2:16cv-01075. This case is very old and had been filed in 2016.
Here is the 13-page order, which lists other lawsuit decisions recently that struck down bans on out-of-state circulators, including two in 2022, from Maine and Montana. The order does not declare the Pennsylvania ban on out-of-state circulators to be unconstitutional, only because of procedural reasons, but it makes it clear that if the court had been asked to declare it unconstitutional, it would have been declared unconstitutional.
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Why are they even circulated by someone from outside the precinct? No one should have to sign something presented to them by someone they don’t know personally in order to be guaranteed an option they want to see in an election. The whole system is nuts. I’ve proposed an alternative way of organizing government where nothing to do with government or elections would involve putting any power or trust into anyone other than neighbors you have known for decades.
I AM A PATHETIC LOSER WHO HAS NEVER EVEN TOUCHED A WOMAN!
I WANT MY BLANKIE
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That explains it.
ONE PERSON NOM/ISSUE PETITIONS.
NOOO *CIRCULATORS* — EXCEPT TO HAND OUT THE ABOVE.
MaxZim’s plan is much better than AZ’s.
Thank you, Pete. Are there aspects of my plan you would improve, if so how and why? I’m always looking to improve the plan, but intelligent conversation has been hard to come by. Better forum suggestions are also welcome!
I agree with AZ about no circulators, but without his exceptions. My plan would have no nominations and no issue petitions. You can petition the responding officers to not execute you right then and there if you are an apprehended suspect, or to execute the criminal perp who wronged you or someone close to you. Otherwise there would be no point to petition anything under my proposal, and certainly no need to circulate any petitions, period.
MaxZim, did it say anybody HAD TO sign anything? Alert the DERP police! You’re not James Ogle on steroids, are you?
“The Ogle Party guarantees free ogling!”
You seem confused. I referred to a precondition for other desired results, not a diktat. As an alternative, I propose a system where ballot access is obtained by having a party precinct captain living in that precinct and showing up to marshal his party’s forces at the election hall on voting night. All political power would be at the precinct level, and laws would be simple enough to fit on one normal printed page in regular sized font. Peace officers would interpret how those simple laws apply to situations they encounter in the field. Trash companies would haul off the corpses of offenders. A poll tax plus voluntary contributions and volunteers would pay for peace officers who would also act as judge, jury, and executioner. The simple written law would rarely if ever change. Given those simple laws and election access rules, there would be no need to gather signatures to change laws (since laws would practically never change) or place candidates on ballots (since there would be no candidates or ballots – rather, the winning party would appoint and replace peace officers at will).
Aside from precinct peace officers, there would be no elected office. The only other government of any kind that would be needed would be a national defense military, which would function much like now, except that generals and admirals could select the commander in chief. That could be financed through a head tax, which would differ from a poll tax on that it would be levied on everyone, not just on voters, the latter group being much more exclusive than under the present system.
Whatever else you are babbling about appears to be a nonsequitur. I’m interested in intelligent criticism of my proposals as well as suggested tweaks for improvement. Childish insults miss their mark. Try better.
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You make even less sense than az.
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What brought on this latest idiocy?
James Ogle is the guy who tried to run for president in 2014- where there was no election. He’s also a spammer.
Yes, but why repost lunatic ravings? Is it not enough to say the man is not right in the head without repeated lengthy illustrations? Also, why do some people here act like this is general knowledge? I have been here for some months now and do not recall him ever being mentioned before. I keep up with a variety of US media from different perspectives out if both professional and personal interest and do not recall him being ever mentioned by any of them, either. It is like if I said Suflayev expecting everyone reading to know that he is a man who talks out loud to voices in his head in Gorky Park, Moscow.
The search engine Google (then known as “backrub.com”) derived their name
from our team in October of 1997. Their founder Sergie Brin doesn’t want you to know:
http://usparliament.org/how-google-got-its-name.php
Google, the party bosses of the Green Party and Libertarian Party have
viciously opposed the United Coalition. Despite the fact that the party
bosses of the CA State Green Party and the national Libertarian Party
censored our 2012 POTUS campaigns by bullying and de-linking the sites from the
national sites, as a Libertarian Party POTUS candidate in 2012, James Ogle
won the only primary (Missouri) which allowed Libertarians on the ballot
with 52.7%.
Ogle’s 52.7% victory was due to the unifying message of PPR. Yet despite
the victory, James Ogle was denied speaking before the convention’s attendees by
the rules, by those in charge of the political convention.
In 2012 the Green Party united with the Libertarian Party (Barr/Ogle) and did well
but the party bosses don’t want anyone to know.
That primary was nonbinding, and the only opponent was “uncommitted”.
Please go back to the looney bin. Stop spamming.
MaxZim, you GOT an intelligent critique, and your response was worse than the original.
You DID refer to a diktat in your first comment: >>No one should have to sign something presented to them by someone they don’t know personally in order to be guaranteed an option they want to see in an election.<<
And then, called my response childish when I noted that is exactly what it is.
And, apparently triggered Ogle.
If anyone triggered ogle/not ogle it was you, by mentioning him apparently.
What intelligent critique? Date and time, please?
Note that the conditional statement does not say anyone absolutely has to sign something presented to them by strangers. It’s just that your present system makes that a virtual requirement in order for some of the parties that some of the voters want to vote for to participate in the election. More broadly, your present system puts political power in the hands of strangers in many different ways: lying political operatives and advertisers market politicians who are not personally acquainted with most of the people who vote for or against them. They routinely break the promises they use to get elected with impunity. The complex mess of laws wastes resources by creating otherwise unproductive jobs for lawyers, lobbyists, legislators, bureaucrats, court officers, etc, etc . The process is byzantine in the extreme and has many twists, turns and knots making it impossible for any one human being, much less the ordinary person, to know all the moving parts. Consequences are frequently escaped or misdirected. Vicious criminals are repeatedly caught and released, or at best sent to day care for adult criminals at great tax expense to network with other criminals while continuing to run scams and illegal enterprises and gangs alongside their friends on the other side of the revolving door, and sometimes even with corrupt “jail” (adult day care) staff involvement.
There are just too many things wrong with the present system to name. But that’s the point: the complexity is itself the problem. Not only does government try to solve far more different kinds of problems than such a blunt instrument is useful for, but it’s vast geographical and numerical scale makes accurate accountability and logical incentives extremely rare.
Thus, I propose a maximally simplified system, with simple rules and direct consequences for actions, easy to see, understand and predict punishments and rewards, and a scale small enough for the significant stakeholders to all know each other well personally, thus removing much presently extant opportunities for misunderstanding, miscommunication, misleading, etc.
What exactly is your intelligent response? “Alert the derp police” doesn’t qualify. Leave that kind of nonsense on the playground where it belongs. Again, I still think you can do better.
Can anyone here go through the various election of my proposal and explain which parts are good, which parts are bad, and why?
Various sections (parts), I meant.
Stock and ogle are two of the worst offenders here, along with az and a small handful of others.
Stock’s back to posting under his own name?
Could be ogle impersonating stock, in a shocking plot twist?!
James Ogle is an artist. Artists were unique in Usenet which was like a worldwide email and chat room where computer programmers could chat by texting messages. Each “newsgroup” was named for the particular subject in the chat. One newsgroup where James Ogle would post was named alt.politics.elections.
James Ogle was living in Monterey in 1997 when Sergey Brin and Larry Paige were at Stanford when this story takes place.
Monterey California is a short 2 hour drive south of Palo Alto California where Stanford University is located.
James Ogle was a Director at the Monterey California’s “Art & Jazz Studios Over the Row” where poetry, art and jazz were featured.
James Ogle also published an online magazine called “The Parliamentarian”.
The non-profit art and jazz business had a multicolored logo which James Ogle made from a light box with different colored theater gels behind each letter. The sign hung in the window of the jazz studios overlooking Cannery Row, Monterey California.
Brin said his logo was voted on but someone could have traveled to Monterey to see Ogle’s jazz and art business.
Back then if someone posted a message in Usenet and no one responded, then that message was considered boring. So since James Ogle’s comment thread had been going for three years by that time (June 12, 1994 to present), that was considered a phenomena.
Sergey Brin was looking for the “juice”.
That juice was an ongoing three-year conversation about pure proportional representation, a ball of activity which could not, and still cannot, be stopped.
I’ve been triggered!
Richard, I thought you banned Ogle’s constant spamming. You are a liar.
When did he say he banned joogle?
Without outside and paid petitioners, we might never have any choices at all in Massachusetts, either for candidates or initiatives.
The state should make the requirements a lot easier.