On June 6, a NewsNation & Decision Desk HQ poll was released. It says almost half of voters would consider voting for someone other than the major party nominees for president in 2024, if those major party nominees are President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump. It also shows that 60% of voters age 55 or younger would consider voting against both major party nominees.
They would consider it, and then probably reject the notion. Generic option generally polls better than a specific candidate/ticket and set of ideas or proposals etc. The most likely such ticket is something along the ideological lines of Bloomberg. Historical precedent indicates they will have a lot of trouble recruiting a ticket of the caliber they want and will then junk the thing, or perhaps for other reasons since their polling will indicate it will help rather than hurt Trump, or whatever other reason.
If they do get a ticket of actual, not hypothetical, flesh and blood human candidates, they will have to deal with all the negative personal and ideological perceptions of those people rather than merely who they aren’t. They would also have to overcome the historical perception that third parties are spoilers, and the relative lack of demonstrated popularity for Bloombergesque positions among voters at the national level, vis a vis deep state swamp creatures, ultrawealthy donors, and establishment media and opinion column bloviators.
As for libertarians, far left and far right parties, etc, it’s not highly likely they will do anything substantially out of the ordinary in numbers or percentage, particularly with the addition of a much better financed and covered third establishment option as the go to route for the generic protest vote.
Regardless, the most likely scenario is that as election gets closer, negative partisanship will push most people to Trump or Biden, regardless of whether they currently would prefer to see someone else or not. To take a much more extreme analogy, if you looked at the buildup to WWII, you may well not have wanted Hitler or Stalin to win; once the war was underway and a continent largely divided into warring camps, the chances were far higher you’d be rooting for one or the other, no matter how bad both are.
odds to get another under 40 pct Prez winner ???
see Lincoln 39 pct in 1860 >>> 750,000 dead in 1861-1866
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ANY poll for wiping out the 12 amdt ec minority rule gerrymander rot ???
Any poll for nonpartisan execs/judics ???
Poll? Huh? Who would conduct such surveys, how, or why? Does AZ mind reside in some alternative universe where some significant number or portion of the population know of, understand, or care about his obscure proposals?
A Russian equivalent of the Gallup and Harris polls quizzed Moscow residents in several tower block’s of different socioeconomic and ethnoreligious strata regarding the Max proposals. In general, the survey takers found many people cursing through unopened or partially opened doors, a variety of rubbish and waste products thrown their way, numerous people showing off various portions of their anatomy best kept private, and a fair sampling of drunks vomiting and relieving themselves on said surveyors. There were also a number of sexual propositions, although most were no doubt not actually sincere.
Generally this occurred well before the first proposal was even mentioned, much less explained. Results over the phone, and at in person venues such as public transit hubs and Gorky Park, yielded fairly similar results.
What are the best arguments in favor of nonpartisan executive and judicial elections? Not asking AZ.
Regardless of the resident BAN troll moron and its tyrant precinct captain NONSENSE–
lots of local regimes in the USA with nonpartisan execs/judics —
mayors/ clerks/treasurers / judges
— often attacked by all/most party hacks for their actions/inactions.
Indeed, resident ban troll moron AZ writes an astonishing amount of nonsense about precinct tyrants which are exactly nowhere included in the Max plan.
Indeed, nonpartisan elections are in fact common for a variety of offices throughout the United States. What’s missing here is an analysis of why the results tend to be better, worse, or roughly equal than those same offices elected on a partisan basis. Equally missing is data and interpretation regarding how well that would scale to elections involving orders of magnitude more voters and far more vast geographic stretches.
But, never fear, because there remains copious opportunity to introduce such data and interpretation into evidence.
This opportunity is reduced in connection to intended audience because…
Some part of not asking AZ clearly translates into asking AZ in the AZ language, some of which resembles English superficially, some of which appears to be machine language error or clever attempts to divert cryptographers and code breakers all over the globe into futile rabbit hole chases, and some seems lifted from the minutes of a provincial politburo meeting during the soviet era.
Anyway, can some readers who are NOT AZ make their best case for why nonpartisan elections to more offices at larger levels of government would make things better rather than worse? I’ve tried it starting from the opposite direction, so this is a cross check against order of operations bias.
I largely agree with the top comment.
I voted third party in both 2016 and 2020, and am likely to do so again in 2024. I remember how, early on, many more people would state they were open to voting third party or independent, but the close we came to the general election, the less people would stay firm to those statements.
It’s a shame, in my opinion, but we can always hope that more and more people will look into alternative candidates and learn about just how awful ballot access is for parties across this country.
I think nonpartisan elections are good because I disagree with Max. People and groups which have relatively more money, recognition, preexisting support, etc, than others should get more of an institutional advantage in elections. After all, some groups have more power and money than others by way of their crony associations with each other, and that’s the way it should be, except even more so.
Imagine how much better off we could be if only incumbent politicians, megawealthy candidates, puppets of billionaire superdonors, brain dead famous athletes and entertainers, and well trained puppets of only the largest of large special interests and lobbies were recognizable names among several pages ripped out of an old fashioned telephone book to all but an insignificant sliver of voters.
Then, candidates lacking those starting advantages, smaller and less well financed groups, proponents of new or less popular ideas, and others besides establishment insiders and agents thereof would be discouraged from contesting elections at all, or rendered so thoroughly ineffective that they may as well have been actually disqualified. Of course, completely insane cranks, attention seeking performance artists, and megalomaniacal nobodies with delusions of grandeur and no life would still run, but people and groups in between those two extremes would be much more efficiently prevented from ever gaining traction.
Which, again, would be a good thing. Power is currently far too dispersed, and not near concentrated enough. The political playing field needs to be way more tilted towards those with the inside track. It should be much harder to break through institutional barriers. I think a lot of people agree with me, since they like de jure nonpartisan elections.
They say this every four years, yet doesn’t even come close. Why keep posting it?
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2023/06/06/ai-can-make-you-believe-russian-propaganda/
HOW MANY BAN TROLL MORON POSTS ARE RUSSIAN / CHINESE / USA / ETC AI THINGS ???
What is more important than whether or not we have partisan elections, is that ballot access is so easy that the ballot is TOTALLY CLUTTERED with candidates, both partisan and independent, so that people actually have to take some TIME to think about for whom and what they are voting.
Also, there needs to be some mechanism to resolve an election if no candidate gets 50%, which can take a variety of forms from actual run-offs, to alternative voting methods, such as approval, ranked choice, or cumulative voting.
One of the great virtues of the US constitution is that it leaves the actual method of voting up to each state. This includes the election of the President, who, can be elected by a variety of methods precisely because of the electoral college.
I gotta agree with Walter Zioboro, we need to make sure that a majority of people are actually being heard and for the candidates to be held accountable for their actions. It’s going to take a lot of work, but the results will be worth it.
Nobody wants a new political party.
AZ troll moron posts being AI would explain a lot. Unlikely that it would come from any country’s government propaganda agencies. The more fitting to known facts in evidence hypothesis seems to be that it is programmed by clueless preschool troll morons. As for “Russian propaganda,” learn to recognize the beam in your own eye.
American and EU propaganda is quite ham handed, ubiquitous, painfully obvious, and fools very few people outside the United States. Europeans I talk to on a regular basis, from many parts of Europe and walks of life etc, tend to have a significantly more jaundiced view of it. Quite a few Americans do too, but not enough, and in my experience those who frequently travel outside the United States are far more likely to than those who have rarely if ever been outside US borders.
Looks like the duopoly is going to nominate spoilers for President.
Anyway, both major parties would be doing both themselves and the country a favor if they didn’t nominate either one.
In fact they would even be doing both Trump and Biden a favor if they didn’t nominate either one. Both of these old blowhards should be enjoying their retirement.
BOTH T AND B SHOULD BE IN A MENTAL WARD FOR SENILE POWERMAD TYRANTS–
SURROUNDED BY THEIR TOADY STOOGE HACKS.
Walter Ziobro, a piece of paper circulated to in some cases 9 digit electorates , particularly when substituted for by machine screens, being sent back and forth through the mail, etc, faces significant vote tabulation fraud and ineligible participants fraud issues. Adding a confusing morass of mostly little known, unfamiliar, meaningless names to it does not make any significant number of people spend more time thinking about it, or better equipped to do so should a few of them get a wild hair up their rear end.
What’s far more likely to happen instead is that the largest, most well financed, best organized factions will familiarize bigger slices of the public with their candidates, or the most well known, well financed and well connected candidates will do so on their own, with or without organizations that exist before and after their candidacy supporting them. The rest will just be a meaningless set of names ignored by all but vanishingly tiny numbers of voters. I’ve read here that there have already been various experiments with this, so it’s not just speculation either.
It’s crAZy to baselessly equate Trump to senile Xi puppet and corrupt traitor Biden. Trump is obviously much more mentally accute and loves your country, unlike the quisling stooge Biden. The economy was much better with Trump, at least until the Chinese biowarfare which was a calculated part of a large conspiracy by the communist Chinese to steal your 2020 election and install Biden as puppet. Trump kept you out of wars, while Biden is doing everything he can to start another brothers war in Europe to help divide and conquer Whites, with Ukraine and Russia being the obvious trigger, much as Serbia was for World War I and Czechoslovakia and Poland were for the Great Patriotic War which you call WWII.
Clearly, equating Biden and Trump is specious. But then you have crAZies here equating Trump not just to Biden but to Hitler, so it’s certainly not surprising. Trump and Putin are messing up the plans of the globalist elite, who want to kill off 90% of humanity and completely enslave the rest in the next 10 to 20 years, along with Lukashenko, Orban, and a few others throughout Europe. So, expect communist propaganda to be at its peak against them, even worse than it was against Reagan and Thatcher in their time.