Here is a Sunday, October 8 New York Times article on Biden allies trying to keep third parties and independent candidates off states’ ballots in 2024.
Generally, the New York Times is behind a paywall, but I was able to read the entire article.
Nowhere in the article is the solution of Ranked Choice Voting or other alternative voting systems mentioned.
Richard Winger is right. Something is terribly wrong with the political culture in the United States. Minor parties exist in Canada and the United Kingdom that threaten to “take votes” from major parties, yet there are no organized efforts to boot those parties and candidates from ballots.
THE political culture is to get CONTROL by all means possible —
1. unequal ballot access laws
2. minority rule gerrymanders
3. appointed hacks- esp judges
HOW SOON BEFORE SOME *EMERGENCY* AND MARTIAL LAW ???
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How does proportional representation work in determining who is actually seated?
MINI PR CON LAW LANGUAGE
19 APR 2023 V2
Sec. AA. All election laws shall be general and exist by [210] days before the election day.
Sec. BB. (1) The Electors shall elect for [2] year terms at partisan elections:
(A) [101] state senators in the state legislature in [odd] years and
(B) an odd number of members (at least 5) in each local legislative body in [even] years.
(2) As nearly as possible, each legislative election district shall have 2 (rural) to 5 (urban) times the number of Electors in the legislative body area at the last regular election [for governor] divided by the total members in the body, be 1 or more local governments or a part of 1 local government and be contiguous and square.
(3) Each legislative body candidate shall receive a list of all other candidates in all districts grouped by party names by [63] days before the election day.
(4) Each candidate shall rank such all other candidates (using 1 (highest), 2, etc.) and file such list by [5 P.M. 56] days before the election day.
(5) The lists shall be made public the next day.
(6) If a valid list is not filed, then the candidate’s name shall not be on the ballots.
Sec. CC. (1) Each Elector may vote for 1 candidate for each legislative body.
(2) The Ratio shall be the Total Votes for all candidates in all districts divided by the Total Members, dropping any fraction.
Ratio = TV/TM
(3) A candidate who gets the Ratio shall be elected.
(4) The largest surplus more than the Ratio shall be moved to 1 or more candidates in any district who do not have the Ratio and who are highest on the candidate’s rank order list.
(5) Only the votes needed to get the Ratio shall be moved to any 1 candidate.
(6) Repeat steps (4) and (5) until all surplus votes are moved.
(7) If all members are not elected, then the candidate with the least votes shall lose.
(8) Such losing votes shall be moved to 1 or more remaining unelected candidates in any district who are highest on the candidate’s rank order list and subject to (5).
(9) The moving order shall be original votes and then the earliest surplus or other loser votes.
(10) Repeat steps (7-9) until all members are elected.
(11) Example 100 Votes, Elect 5
Ratio = 100/5 = 20
Surplus Moved
C1 25-20 = 5 Surplus
C2 19+1 = 20
C3 14+4 = 18
Final
C1 20 = 20 Elected
C2 20 = 20 Elected
C3 18+2 = 20 Elected
C4 17+3 = 20 Elected
C5 15+5 = 20 Elected
Sum 90+10 = 100
Losers 10 are moved to elected persons.
(12) Each member shall have 1 vote in the legislative body and a YES majority of all members shall be required to enact legislation.
(13) Each legislative body may meet any time in person, by written proxy or electronically and shall appoint its officers provided by law.
Sec. DD. (1) All legislative body candidates and members shall file 1 or more rank order lists of persons to fill any temporary or permanent vacancy of the candidate or member during an election time or term respectively.
(2) The qualified person who is highest on the list shall fill the vacancy.
(3) If (1-2) does not happen, then the other candidates of his/her party (if any), the other members of his/her party (if any) or the legislative body shall fill such vacancy with a qualified person of the same party immediately at its next meeting, as the case may be.
Back up copy of NY Times article: https://archive.ph/BWY2Q
I’ve always been a proponent of proportional representation to break up this two major party tyranny.
It’s the New York Times, therefore FAKE NEWS.
I’m not convinced that proportional representation can be implemented in a way that truly reflects the interests of the constituents in a given district. Let’s say that you have a town council that’s seated by proportional representation. Assume this town council has three members, and there are four parties in contention. What will be shown on the ballot? How do you prevent a situation where all three council members reside on the same street, and spend their time on office working on issues important to that neighborhood while ignoring everyone else’s concerns?
https://www.lawnow.org/american-and-canadian-election-laws/
https://electionsanddemocracy.ca/your-classroom/comparing-electoral-systems-canada-and-united-states/federal-elections-comparison-table
Canada:
-Canadian federal elections are governed entirely by federal law and one organization, Elections Canada
-The political party that wins or can control the most seats in the House of Commons gets to form the government and the party leader becomes the Prime Minister
-The 105 Canadian senators are appointed on a regional basis to serve until age 75 by the Prime Minister
-The Prime Minister can ask the Governor General for an election at any time
-In Canada, every election is an election of a Prime Minister and government
-There is only one person on the federal ballot to vote for: your local representative in Parliament.
Or, just change the voting system, like you said Bill. Different systems are and have been in use in many countries around the world.
@Gato, the townsfolk could fix that problem in the next election. The rest of town has more voters than that one neighborhood. Also, a council of 3 members is maybe OK for a town of 2,000 people.
Did you think the issue you described doesn’t happen now in many towns and cities?
Multi-member districts are a compromise between local representation and proportional representation. So is mixed-member proprtional representation. Some other countries do these things.
@Gato de Pallas
Here’s an example of proportional using Single Transferable: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MSl7LYbqjWw&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Ffairvote.org%2F&source_ve_path=OTY3MTQ&feature=emb_imp_woyt
There’s also list based methods where either voters (open lists) or party insiders (closed lists) can determine a list of people who would get the seats.
To counteract what you seem to be implying (all candidates coming from one region) a combined method of electing local representatives using either plurality, single member ranked choice, or multi-member ranked choice can be the used in combination with the lists. Using that method, the list is used to top up or adjust that proportion of seats for each party after each party’s locally elected numbers are known.
Total seats a party should have (as determined by party vote) = local seats won + added representatives from list.
In these cases typically 2/3rds of seats are elected locally and another 1/3rd of seats are set aside for the list seats.
This is all malarkey!
LIST PR SEATS >>> INTERNAL ISRAEL ROT/CHAOS —
VOTE THE PARTY LINE OR ELSE NOT BE ON THE LIST IN THE NEXT ELECTION.
ANOTHER RESULT – NEW PARTIES OF LEFT/RIGHT OPEN EXTREMISTS.
IF THEY WIN- THEN MAJOR MACHINATIONS ABOUT LAWS AND WHAT HACKS GET TOP EXEC JOBS IN THE PARL REGIME …
MULTI ELECTIONS IN PARL REGIME AFTER SHORT TIMES.
BASICALLY — ONE MORE F-A-T-A-L DEFECT
IE ISRAEL COPIED FATAL PART OF BRIT PARL REGIME IN 1948-1949…
75 YEARS OF FATAL ROT.
NOW UNDER TOTAL STRESS WITH HAMAS TERROR ATTACK.
HOW MANY NUKES, BIG AND SMALL, IN ISRAEL ARSENAL ???
HAMAS KAMIKAZE MORONS IGNORING *** NEVER AGAIN *** RE HITLER HOLOCAUST OF JEWS IN 1933-1945.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2023/10/07/history-of-israel-and-palestine-conflict-and-the-latest-hamas-attacks-war-in-gaza-in-maps/71098600007/
ISRAEL – OFF/ON WARS — 75 YEARS
ABOUT ZERO ABOUT INTERNAL STRUCTURES OF REGIMES IN AREA
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Very encouraging trends in German state elections. The libtards are getting owned big time.
In this country, the two parties, Republican and Democrat, essentially own the election process and they work together to stop any competition.
Christian Unity National Ticket is right. The Argentinian Libertarians and Trump’s endorsement of Jim Jordan are also hopeful signs.
ANOTHER DAY – ANOTHER NAME CANDIDATE
https://www.yahoo.com/news/robert-f-kennedy-jr-announces-163732306.html
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Announces Independent Presidential Run
MULTIPLE STORIES IN STANDARD MEDIA — ABOUT ZERO ABOUT UNEQUAL BALLOT ACCESS LAWS
Trump, Millei, AfD, Jordan – all good signs.
AZ proposes a unicameral legislature elected by a STV-like method on a statewide basis, but rather than voters ranking candidates, each candidate would rank all candidates.
Voters would vote for a single candidate in his local legislative district.
For a smallish party, votes would tend to transfer out of the district. If parties coordinated their ranking, it would behave much like a party list.
Larger parties might elect members from the legislative district, with surpluses transfered to other districts.
Ten years ago nobody would have expected this much right wing success by now!
Third parties in Canada and UK are highly regional. In Canada, there are hardly any provinces with more than two major parties.
JR-
TV/TM PR —
VERY QUICKLY — FACTIONS—
TOTAL GOVT
MORE GOVT – L/R VERSIONS
LESS GOVT – L/R VERSIONS
NO GOVT
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HOW MANY RFK STORIES – 20-50-100 ???
STORIES ABOUT EQUAL BALLOT ACCESS- ZERO ???
Thanks for the tip, Nathan.